Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[Lalalacasbah]

Just to play devil's advocate here... I know of 2 women who manipulate the system to get what they want from their exes AND the system (courts, lawyers, tax payers) in regards to money, payments, custody, rights, etc.

There are two sides to every story. I've seen myself a couple women outright lie, play victim and greatly exaggerate situations to play the system to get what they want financially as well their children cut off dad completely - it's outraging! A friend of mine works in family services and said there are men with criminal records that still get child visitations - she said you have to do a lot to get completely cut off from child visitations as dads (parents) have rights. *Don't quote me on this as I don't know EXACT details, it was just something she said to me one time that I thought interesting as I've heard horror stories from women and some awful exes.

I do believe AS is probably unstable however, we don't know how stable mom is either.

Their relationship shouldn't impact a parent/child relationship, I feel like it should be treated separate even though hard at times.

I'm surprised the courts are allowing this. The only reason I can see them doing this is to protect integrity of the case and banning AS to protect evidence somehow. MOO.

 

[Iwondertoo]

The cologne purchase gave me pause too... after reading the messages, I thought “wait, what?” Just another oddity in an already baffling case.

The cologne purchase has always stood out as odd to me too. Not just the purchase itself but also the way AS phrased it. He could have just said 'I got the cologne you wanted' but instead he mentioned the price amount - 'I just paid a hundred for the cologne you asked about'.

Now JMO but cologne almost sounds like a code word to me. The mention of a hundred bucks always felt to me that AS was telling BS how much he owed him for this "cologne".

Bryer asked about an item, ever the hero AS goes and finds the item, texts BS to let him know he got the item for $100 and it's ready for pick-up.

MOO.



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Father holding out hope after two Port Alberni teens vanish in northern B.C.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

The cologne purchase has always stood out as odd to me too. Not just the purchase itself but also the way AS phrased it. He could have just said 'I got the cologne you wanted' but instead he mentioned the price amount - 'I just paid a hundred for the cologne you asked about'.

Now JMO but cologne almost sounds like a code word to me. The mention of a hundred bucks always felt to me that AS was telling BS how much he owed him for this "cologne".

Bryer asked about an item, ever the hero AS goes and finds the item, texts BS to let him know he got the item for $100 and it's ready for pick-up.

MOO.

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Father holding out hope after two Port Alberni teens vanish in northern B.C.

I totally agree. I thought code language too! I had thought for pot maybe or maybe prescription drugs or something? And why would dad go buy it? Why not give BS the money? Unless he really wanted to make sure he was buying cologne? Strange to me as well.

 

[acutename]

I'd think once he became unemployed and indigent that he would be able to access free therapy. It was probably the fact that he was working that he was expected to contribute to the costs of therapy.

he seemed to have had some sort of building company (remember the "Bryer's first day at work" photograph?) at some time, FWIW

 

[1987]

the cologne thing sounds to me like a effort to buy his sons love.

 

[Iwondertoo]

the cologne thing sounds to me like a effort to buy his sons love.

It could be just that and maybe AS just wanted BS to appreciate how much he spent on it. I just don't see Bryer as the type to be asking his dad about $100 cologne though.

JMO

 

[NJSleuth91]

The cologne purchase has always stood out as odd to me too. Not just the purchase itself but also the way AS phrased it. He could have just said 'I got the cologne you wanted' but instead he mentioned the price amount - 'I just paid a hundred for the cologne you asked about'.

Now JMO but cologne almost sounds like a code word to me. The mention of a hundred bucks always felt to me that AS was telling BS how much he owed him for this "cologne".

Bryer asked about an item, ever the hero AS goes and finds the item, texts BS to let him know he got the item for $100 and it's ready for pick-up.

MOO.

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Father holding out hope after two Port Alberni teens vanish in northern B.C.

the cologne thing sounds to me like a effort to buy his sons love.

Putting these two things together, if he just "asked about" it maybe he didn't even intend for his dad to buy it. Maybe he just mentioned it offhand and then his dad got it due to the whole parental guilt thing.

It's possible it could be a code word. I kind of doubt it though. I feel like Bryer's dad is one of the least discreet people ever and probably the last person you would want to be engaging in illegal activity with. I also get the sense that, even if he didn't make the best choices himself, Bryer's dad cared about him enough that he wouldn't approve of him engaging in those same choices, let alone participate in it with him.

 

[acutename]

define next of kin please.

"closest living relative" TERMS AND DEFINITIONS - Executor Guide for British Columbia

(but I was replying to a post about KM) the law quoted is all about inheritance and not about notifications, BTW

 

[SovereignSnake]

Interesting, I had only caught a glimpse of the cell phone screenshot in the 60 Minutes interview. Bryer did not actually have a mobile network, he was just using iMessage. I'm an Android user but from what my Apple friends tell me, that's what you use when you have internet access but no coverage. Based on his "I won't have internet for a while" comment he doesn't have a network and only uses Wi-Fi. I'll also add to the cologne discussion; I think Alan wanted Bryer to know how much he just dropped on a bottle of cologne and how exactly was he supposed to get it to him if he was leaving town perhaps forever. In other words; "Hey, this was expensive stuff kid, get me your address so I can send it to you and also, I love you." A little odd mentioning the price but I imagine Alan is not wont to drop that kind of money on cosmetics ever and wanted him to know. Also, those suspicious of Bryer not being the type to wear cologne? Come on. Look at the photo of him in that suit and tell me you're not going to get a bottle of posh cologne to compliment it. He's handsome dressed up. Both those boys are very handsome.

Father holding out hope after two Port Alberni teens vanish in northern B.C.

 

[katydid23]

Just to play devil's advocate here... I know of 2 women who manipulate the system to get what they want from their exes AND the system (courts, lawyers, tax payers) in regards to money, payments, custody, rights, etc.

There are two sides to every story. I've seen myself a couple women outright lie, play victim and greatly exaggerate situations to play the system to get what they want financially as well their children cut off dad completely - it's outraging! A friend of mine works in family services and said there are men with criminal records that still get child visitations - she said you have to do a lot to get completely cut off from child visitations as dads (parents) have rights. *Don't quote me on this as I don't know EXACT details, it was just something she said to me one time that I thought interesting as I've heard horror stories from women and some awful exes.

I do believe AS is probably unstable however, we don't know how stable mom is either.

Their relationship shouldn't impact a parent/child relationship, I feel like it should be treated separate even though hard at times.

I'm surprised the courts are allowing this. The only reason I can see them doing this is to protect integrity of the case and banning AS to protect evidence somehow. MOO.

I agree with you about the way some women play the system and screw over their ex husbands, etc.

But I am not sure that is the case here. It takes a lot to get actual jail time for criminal harassment. They wouldn't arrest and incarcerate him over just her word.

And he was rearrested a couple of times because he continued his bad behaviour.

As for the marriage problems not affecting the parent/child relationship----if one of the parents is threatening the other with violence, then that will automatically affect the child. No way around it.

 

[Zella]

He's handsome dressed up. Both those boys are very handsome.

Father holding out hope after two Port Alberni teens vanish in northern B.C.

SBM

I think one of the unspoken reasons this case has generated a lot of media attention, beyond it just being so weird, is because the victims and suspects are all really conventionally attractive people. (Not lobbing that as a criticism, just an observation.) LF, CD, KM, and BS all have nice-looking features. Even though LD was an older man, he was also distinguished-looking and was handsome in the younger pics that have been published.

MOO

 

[FactFinder3000]

"closest living relative" TERMS AND DEFINITIONS - Executor Guide for British Columbia

(but I was replying to a post about KM) the law quoted is all about inheritance and not about notifications, BTW

Nothing in that appears to give one parent precedence over another. It merely mentions 'parents.'

Bryer's parents are equally his closest living relatives.

 

[NJSleuth91]

SBM

I think one of the unspoken reasons this case has generated a lot of media attention, beyond it just being so weird, is because the victims and suspects are all conventionally attractive people. (Not lobbing that as a criticism, just an observation.) LF, CD, KM, and BS all have nice-looking features. Even though LD was an older man, he was also distinguished-looking and was handsome in the younger pics that have been published.

MOO

I think it's also because of how young and innocent Kam and Bryer looked. Like, even in the pictures where Bryer is trying to look intimidating, I feel like there's something very vulnerable-looking about him. Even the guy who helped them out of the mud was like "I can't imagine those two killing anyone."

 

[Zella]

I think it's also because of how young and innocent Kam and Bryer looked. Like, even in the pictures where Bryer is trying to look intimidating, I feel like there's something very vulnerable-looking about him. Even the guy who helped them out of the mud was like "I can't imagine those two killing anyone."

Yes, I think that's part of it. Also, I've never seen a picture of LF, CD, or LD that didn't just radiate a genuine love for life.

In any event, in an era of mediums that rely on very visual storytelling, it's a story that lends itself well to that approach.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I agree with you about the way some women play the system and screw over their ex husbands, etc.

But I am not sure that is the case here. It takes a lot to get actual jail time for criminal harassment. They wouldn't arrest and incarcerate him over just her word.

And he was rearrested a couple of times because he continued his bad behaviour.

As for the marriage problems not affecting the parent/child relationship----if one of the parents is threatening the other with violence, then that will automatically affect the child. No way around it.

I know what you're saying, I think AS's life is probably a bit of a mess and not just with his ex. I feel everything he might touch probably falls apart!

Yes, for sure there must've been some proof and I wonder if AS doesn't respect the law if he doesn't like authorities. It's hard to say as the offense is broad (anything from a phone call to threatening violence - big gap).

The law takes stalking and domestic stalking very seriously so I think they are extra careful (as much as they can be) with it. I am still curious about her character as well though regardless.

I don't say these things lightly as I had a stalker! To be honest, I didn't need much evidence to get a peace bond (like a restraining order but we weren't married or blood related, he was a customer at my work place). I kept 2 physical things he left for me at my workplace and wrote down a personal timeline, and that's all I needed which is a bit frightening if I wasn't being truthful.

I think my other comment was misunderstood about the marriage problems affecting child. Of course I believe that, it affects them emotionally, personally and physically. My comment was meant more in the lines of "legally" only and how the law sees. I mean OJ still got to see his kids after his crimes eek!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I think it's also because of how young and innocent Kam and Bryer looked. Like, even in the pictures where Bryer is trying to look intimidating, I feel like there's something very vulnerable-looking about him. Even the guy who helped them out of the mud was like "I can't imagine those two killing anyone."

I agree. Kam isn't bad looking and Bryer does look a bit vulnerable. Anyone who came across them probably wouldn't suspect a thing and would not feel in danger at all, I know I wouldn't!

 

[NJSleuth91]

I agree. Kam isn't bad looking and Bryer does look a bit vulnerable. Anyone who came across them probably wouldn't suspect a thing and would not feel in danger at ll, I know I wouldn't!

I don't think either of them were bad looking. It was just their personalities that needed some work.

 

[srper2]

I think it's also because of how young and innocent Kam and Bryer looked. Like, even in the pictures where Bryer is trying to look intimidating, I feel like there's something very vulnerable-looking about him. Even the guy who helped them out of the mud was like "I can't imagine those two killing anyone."

And the withholding of any information/evidence - has RCMP even officially confirmed the RAV belonged to LD? Apart from that possibility I have seen nothing else! (I still wonder if RCMP would have even disclosed CD's and LF's cause of death if it had not been made public by OZ media, they still haven't disclosed LD's).

 

[srper2]

I agree. Kam isn't bad looking and Bryer does look a bit vulnerable. Anyone who came across them probably wouldn't suspect a thing and would not feel in danger at ll, I know I wouldn't!

Unfortunately, this is the case with many violent offenders, they look normal and often seem vulnerable, kind and considerate.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Unfortunately, this is the case with many violent offenders, they look normal and often seem vulnerable, kind and considerate.

Exactly. So creepy. You never really know someone.