Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[Iwondertoo]

I actually don't think it's that weird that Bryer didn't tell his dad until the last minute. As I've mentioned, I have a similar awkward situation with my own historically-absent dad, and he's kind of peripheral to my life, not in it. I don't tell him about a lot of stuff going on in my life. It is pretty inconsiderate that he didn't tell his dad until his dad was en route to visit him, but it's possible with all the preparations going on, he may have just forgotten that was the day of the month his dad usually visited, or something.

It is really weird that he told his dad they were going to Alberta though.

That text to his dad has always stuck with me.

It is like BS suddenly realized it was his dad's day to travel to PA and he took the time to let him know.

 

[MistyWaters]

Also another thing, if they hadn't decided on the Yukon vs. Alberta when they left, that would actually make sense with their route. Since they went to Liard Hot Springs, given the amount of time it took to get there, we can assume the route they took was all the way on the other side of the province from Port Alberni. It actually would have been five hours faster to go to Whitehorse via a more western route. The only way their route really makes sense is if they were undecided when they set out, and just decided to figure it out along the way. I'm leaning towards it wasn't a planned deception (since it really would not have accomplished anything), and was just that they weren't sure where to go. And maybe they made it sound to their parents/guardians that their destination was more concrete, so they wouldn't be like "you guys don't even know where you're going?"

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B tells two different family members two different destinations, that fits my definition of deception, particularly when they were not job hunting in either location.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I've wondered if it was just a joy-ride (not necessarily a planned murder/suicide spree) from the beginning, and they both told stories that they thought sounded good to whoever was listening as an excuse for why they were quitting jobs and leaving town, knowing nobody was going to compare notes.

Bryer's dad probably would be okay with visiting family in Alberta, and Bryer's grandma probably wants to hear about work, so that's the line he feeds them. Who knows what spiel Kam told his parents, but I'm sure it was one they'd approve of, and that's why they were told it.

In any event, I could see the two of them just thinking that working at WM was not great and deciding on a lark, why not just go driving/camping this summer instead?

I go back and forth on whether it was all planned, but I could see even if it was unplanned, things could have still taken a dark turn as they're driving around aimlessly on this joy-ride and see a van on the side of the road in the middle of the night.

MOO

That's sort of what I've been thinking for a while. I think the only goal they really had, setting out, was to get as far away from Port Alberni as they could. Given what ultimately happened, and how suddenly they planned this trip, I'm pretty sure it wasn't only a fun joyride. I'm sure it was in some respects, since it was the most freedom they'd ever had, and they were BFFs. But I think they were probably both in a bad mind-state and probably feeling pretty hopeless when they left, possibly because something bad may have happened in their lives recently (not graduating on time, maybe getting fired from Walmart or some other workplace indignity, fights with their parents over future plans -- all possibilities). I think this was more of a "we can't take living in this town anymore" thing. They told their parents/guardians a story that would lead to them being allowed to go on this trip.

I think that makes a lot of sense.

Thinking about it, I can't think of any other explanation for the inconsistent stories that makes as much sense.

That text to his dad has always stuck with me.

It is like BS suddenly realized it was his dad's day to travel to PA and he took the time to let him know.

I can totally see that happening. Like maybe they were on their way out, and then all of a sudden he was like "Oh crap! I forgot my dad is supposed to visit today," and quickly texted him. And because it was on iMessage, he wasn't able to respond after that due to lack of service.

We've speculated that Bryer had ADHD because of the snorting Ritalin thing, and forgetting about stuff like that would totally be an ADHD thing to do, especially if there are deviations to the normal routine.

 

[Sillybilly]

Victim bashing of Bryer's mother and/or father has to stop completely or there will be a loss of posting privileges.

All of these parents are victims of having their child die, regardless of the circumstances under which it occurred. Please don't trash the daylights out of any of them.

 

[NJSleuth91]

B tells two different family members two different destinations, that fits my definition of deception, particularly when they were not job hunting in either location.

What would be the point of the deception though? It would make them look more suspicious as murder suspects if they wanted to get away with it. And if this was a planned suicide mission, why would it matter where they told their family they were going?

 

[FactFinder3000]

No, I don’t think age has any bearing at all.

But written Last Will and Testaments are considered public documents, to give non-beneficiaries the opportunity to contest an estate. So I can see why the attorney might take a wild guess that a verbal Will was included, even if AS doesn’t know what’s contained in Bs portion of the alleged 30 seconds.

But a video will is not a legitimate will. And a minor cannot leave a will.

And an interesting fact: since Bryer was in Manitoba when he died, where the age of majority is 18, doesn't that mean he was not a minor regardless of whether the suicide was before or after his birthday? Or does it go by residency?

 

[MistyWaters]

What would be the point of the deception though? It would make them look more suspicious as murder suspects if they wanted to get away with it. And if this was a planned suicide mission, why would it matter where they told their family they were going?

Because it become part of their low moral character? Lying, stealing, murdering, fleeing, causing grief, misery and fear....have we forgotten they’re far from “good boys”? Their flight to northern Manitoba as accused murderers of three innocent people negatively impacted hundreds of people directly, including their own family members. Lying to them is the least of it IMO.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Because it become part of their low moral character? Lying, stealing, murdering, fleeing, causing grief, misery and fear....have we forgotten they’re far from “good boys”?

I never said they were good. I just said that given what we know about their route, and the fact that lying about their plans would actually make them look more suspicious in a murder investigation, I think the most likely explanation is that they set out not knowing exactly where they were headed.

Also I think this is a bit of an "Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking" situation.

 

[LoisLane]

DBM

 

[NJSleuth91]

Like, let's put it this way. Why would they be like, "Ok here's the plan. Let's tell both my parents and your grandma one thing, and then let's tell your dad who lives 2.5 hours away and who you only see twice a month another thing, because of reasons." I know these guys operated on their own system of logic, but even for them, that doesn't make any sense.

What does make sense though is if they told their parents they had a solid plan to go to Whitehorse to look for jobs so their parents were like "wow they really planned this out, so let's give them some money and the truck and camper!" But then maybe when they set out they were like "hmm maybe we should go to Alberta instead" and then if Bryer realized "crap, my dad was supposed to visit today" and texted his dad en route, he said they were going to Alberta. And then they were like "nvm let's go to the Yukon" and so that explains why their most likely route (see map I posted a few posts back) includes them going all the way across BC into Alberta and then going north.

 

[srper2]

No, I don’t think age has any bearing at all.

But written Last Will and Testaments are considered public documents, to give non-beneficiaries the opportunity to contest an estate. So I can see why the attorney might take a wild guess that a verbal Will was included, even if AS doesn’t know what’s contained in Bs portion of the alleged 30 seconds.

You have missed my point, I was considering that this could have been a slip of information, possibly indicating that the video was made before Bryer's 19th birthday occurred.

 

[MistyWaters]

But a video will is not a legitimate will. And a minor cannot leave a will.

And an interesting fact: since Bryer was in Manitoba when he died, where the age of majority is 18, doesn't that mean he was not a minor regardless of whether the suicide was before or after his birthday? Or does it go by residency?

A minor can own indeed own property but I doubt if B left behind any assets of value, whether he was 18 or 19 on the day he died. So a nil valued estate doesn’t require a Last Will and Testament, unless AS knows something he’s not going public with.

 

[LoisLane]

What would be the point of the deception though? It would make them look more suspicious as murder suspects if they wanted to get away with it. And if this was a planned suicide mission, why would it matter where they told their family they were going?

I think the different stories helped them with carrying out their exit of PA. Certain stories to different people fits those people’s expectations (approval) and could also serve the sons in getting what they need to get out. Cash, gas cards, transportation, etc.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I think the different stories helped them with carrying out their exit of PA. Certain stories to different people fits those people’s expectations (approval) and could also serve the sons in getting what they need to get out. Cash, gas cards, transportation, etc.

But why would they need to lie to Bryer's dad? As far as we know he wasn't giving them any resources and he wouldn't have been able to prevent them from leaving.

 

[MistyWaters]

I never said they were good. I just said that given what we know about their route, and the fact that lying about their plans would actually make them look more suspicious in a murder investigation, I think the most likely explanation is that they set out not knowing exactly where they were headed.

Also I think this is a bit of an "Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking" situation.

According to Bs grandmother the two arrived in Whitehorse and were spending a few days there before heading back. But during the same time they were sighted camping in a lot somewhere near Dease Lake, a long way from Whitehorse. Then comes burning the truck and camper, another deception, either to destroy evidence and/or make it appear they were victims of the same person who murdered LD.

IMO the entire sorry saga was rife with their deception, from beginning to end. I don’t think they suddenly woke up one morning and changed from honest, trustworthy, caring individuals into dangerous fugitives, fleeing from police.

 

[NJSleuth91]

According to Bs grandmother they had arrived in Whitehorse and were spending a few days there before heading back. But during the same time they were sighted camping in a lot somewhere near Dease Lake, a long way from Whitehorse. Then comes burning the truck and camper, another deception, either to destroy evidence and/or make it appear they were victims of the same person who murdered LD.

IMO the entire sorry saga was rife with their deception, from beginning to end.

When did they tell her that? It would have taken at least 3 days to get there, especially with only one person driving, and the murders happened within less than 3 days of them leaving. Did they tell her that after the murders?

 

[LoisLane]

But why would they need to lie to Bryer's dad? As far as we know he wasn't giving them any resources and he wouldn't have been able to prevent them from leaving.

Probably because B and his dad had plans to be together at the time Bryer was leaving. Telling him where he was going could have been to hurt him or not too. He says Alberta or Red Deer (?) because dad won’t argue it or dad will be upset kind of scenario.. depending on what mind games Bryer wanted to play (or not). JMO.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Probably because B and his dad had plans to be together at the time Bryer was leaving. Telling him where he was going could have been to hurt him or not too. He says Alberta or Red Deer (?) because dad won’t argue it or dad will be upset kind of scenario.. depending on what mind games Bryer wanted to play (or not). JMO.

That sounds like a stretch, especially because they actually did go in the direction of Alberta at first. I still think my explanation seems way more likely.

 

[MistyWaters]

But why would they need to lie to Bryer's dad? As far as we know he wasn't giving them any resources and he wouldn't have been able to prevent them from leaving.

Liars tell people just what they want to hear, is the simplest explanation.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Liars tell people just what they want to hear, is the simplest explanation.

See above post.