Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #20

[Trooper]

For the analyst that AS wishes to be appointed, the idea that Bryer wanted to join the Canadian Defence Forces , and at the same time felt he had no hope of being selected due to his low grades would be a large red flag.

 

[Trooper]

It's also entirely possible they acquired a second gun from Lucas and Chynna. We don't know that either but it remains a possibility.

New witness in teen murder spree case

edited by me for clarity.

It really isn't possible, that they could have acquired a second gun from Lucas and Chynna, for these reasons. Travel was his life, his profession, if you will. He worked in remote places to travel there, and earn money to travel to another exotic location. He was the son of a NSW police commissioner, and would have been bought up with a healthy respect for guns and a loathing of members of the public who have them.

This goes against the grain of people who have lived their lives with their 2nd amendment rights, etc, Lucas had no such of a thing in his background, and this has to be understood.

He did not apply for a licence in Canada. He didn't have a gun licence in AU, and even if he did, those licences , unlike a driving licence are not transferable from country to country. There is no such thing as an International Gun Licence, like the International Driving licence.

He would not have carried one without a licence as he would be setting himself up, should he be detected, to be deported, and a banned entry to Canada thereafter. And that also means an automatic banned entry to Britain, USA, South Africa, and NZ. An impossible thought .

 

[LoisLane]

Sept 18, 2019

‘We have five deaths here. This is all preventable’: Breyer Schmegelsky’s father speaks out

Just had another watch. At the 4:05 mark he lists the government agencies (reporter asks if he feels there are government agencies “with blood on their hands”) at 4:10 he lists the representative for B.C. children and youth and gestures to something behind him. The office for this government agency is Lougheed Highway in Burnaby so I’m assuming this interview takes place outside of the building. Just an observation.

 

[LoisLane]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but there is a blurred out tire iron near the rear smashed window.

That would work to smash a window and other things.

 

[sandbar]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but there is a blurred out tire iron near the rear smashed window.

Is this from that youtube guy Gray somebody? If yes, then it is not a tire iron. He said it was blurred because it's blood or something.

 

[jennibelle]

I just have to say that, as much as I'm repulsed by the crime, I am incredibly thankful to see such a deeper, more respectful, and thoroughly rational and analytical message board on this case.
So often on MSM, other similar boards, and even on Websleuths itself, the dialogue on these boards are fanatical speculation in the absence of fact and emotional determination(s) on cases.

I often find myself feeling incredibly distraught on these boards, not only by the cases but more-often than not by the comments and unsubstantiated speculation in the absence of full disclosure.

Though there is much speculation in this case, most comments and analysis on this forum seems to be articulate, rational, and refreshingly objective...

Thank you for renewing my faith in humanity... a little dramatic, but true.

 

[LoisLane]

For the analyst that AS wishes to be appointed, the idea that Bryer wanted to join the Canadian Defence Forces , and at the same time felt he had no hope of being selected due to his low grades would be a large red flag.

But it was just the young mans idea or dream, AS very well could have talked to BS about the limitations and probabilities of this not being a realistic prospect. AS did not elaborate to say BS had applied to join or if he belonged to any groups like cadets. He may have encouraged him to pursue other avenues or trades or upgrade his high school because he was aware of his sons challenges.

 

[Solaris420]

Is this from that youtube guy Gray somebody? If yes, then it is not a tire iron. He said it was blurred because it's blood or something.

No, It is a photograph taken by Trevor Pierre. The roadside worker who found the bodies.

 

[SovereignSnake]

edited by me for clarity.

It really isn't possible, that they could have acquired a second gun from Lucas and Chynna, for these reasons. Travel was his life, his profession, if you will. He worked in remote places to travel there, and earn money to travel to another exotic location. He was the son of a NSW police commissioner, and would have been bought up with a healthy respect for guns and a loathing of members of the public who have them.

This goes against the grain of people who have lived their lives with their 2nd amendment rights, etc, Lucas had no such of a thing in his background, and this has to be understood.

He did not apply for a licence in Canada. He didn't have a gun licence in AU, and even if he did, those licences , unlike a driving licence are not transferable from country to country. There is no such thing as an International Gun Licence, like the International Driving licence.

He would not have carried one without a licence as he would be setting himself up, should he be detected, to be deported, and a banned entry to Canada thereafter. And that also means an automatic banned entry to Britain, USA, South Africa, and NZ. An impossible thought .

I'm not sure what was unclear about my comment and why it needed to be edited down but @Trooper other than Lucas' dad being Chief Inspector for New South Wales and the gun laws your reply is just as much opinion and speculation as mine is unless you can actually prove any of that. I'm not being disrespectful, I'm just making that clear because it reads as all factual, which it isn't. We don't know anymore about what kind of a person Lucas was than the other four people involved. His dad being in law enforcement is mostly irrelevant if you ask me.

 

[Trooper]

Just had another watch. At the 4:05 mark he lists the government agencies (reporter asks if he feels there are government agencies “with blood on their hands”) at 4:10 he lists the representative for B.C. children and youth and gestures to something behind him. The office for this government agency is Lougheed Highway in Burnaby so I’m assuming this interview takes place outside of the building. Just an observation.

I bit the bullet and had another watch , also.

I only got as far as when he is making the leap of logic, that because his son 'failed to thrive' and had 'no hope' the inevitable response to that condition is to get on the highway and murder people. He makes that claim as if it is entirely reasonable and almost self explanatory. Any fool should be able to see the obvious connection there.

I can't watch it again. There is a sort of narrative he is into , an infantalized son, a sort of Peter Pan boy, big eyed and fringe dwelling, misunderstood, etc.

These were two young men. On the very cusp of manhood, adulthood, they could vote, drink, drive, have children , be married, own property, legally, they could adopt, they could borrow money , they could be held accountable , and also have unalienable rights. ..

oh well.

 

[Trooper]

I'm not sure what was unclear about my comment and why it needed to be edited down but @Trooper other than Lucas' dad being Chief Inspector for New South Wales and the gun laws your reply is just as much opinion and speculation as mine is unless you can actually prove any of that. I'm not being disrespectful, I'm just making that clear because it reads as all factual, which it isn't. We don't know anymore about what kind of a person Lucas was than the other four people involved. His dad being in law enforcement is mostly irrelevant if you ask me.

He didn't have a Canadian gun licence. He didn't have a NSW gun licence, or a VIC gun licence or a QLD gun licence. He had no record of owning guns in NSW, VIC or QLD. This is on the record. He has no record of even applying for a gun licence in Canada, and that is a matter for Ottowa, since he was a tourist on a working visa, for 12 months.

A working visa requires a background check from Ottawa, to NSW ( his place of residence ) and they are so rarely issued to tourists as to be almost negligible. Had he applied for one, there would be a record on the NSW gun licence register, as a query from Ottawa and there is not .

I am 10 years older than Lucas and bought up not 10 klms away from where he was, I still live right here, on the North Shore of Sydney, NSW, where it is nearly 10aM Sunday morning, and I can assure you that travelling Australians simply do not carry guns, as our passports which are our ticket off and away depend almost entirely on keeping on the right side of Border officers in any country. You say 'we' don't know, but I actually do know what AU travelers do, being one myself. And having lived for some years in Canada doing post graduate work at York Uni I understand a bit about the workings of Ottawa, also.

It just isn't a thing. One doesn't travel, and particularly as Lucas was, in the long term carrying weaponry. His background would preclude it in Australia, and even more so in Canada.

I don't mean to be disrespectful either, but some people know some things and some people know other things, and it isn't a competition here.

 

[Ondeckc]

and that could be one reason why the killing stopped.

No ammo left.

(b) Jammed firing pin in the gun and no way to fix it. No skill to fix it.

(c) A distaste for getting up close , at first , to a potential victim, .. in other words, an avoidance of violent contact with people who may fight back, even perhaps win. The remarkable absence of any obvious signs of altercation on both Kam and Bryer in the store video, no bruises, no scratches , no limping, no black eye, and let's keep in mind, that when we see that video clip they have murdered three (3) people, all of whom loved life and were living it to the full and had no intention of folding. All healthy and remarkably fit and spry.

It seemed obvious to me that they had disabled their victims first, by gunshot, perhaps, certainly by surprise, with no advantage given , or mercy. Then the killing processed at the pace they set themselves. That did not include any chance of them receiving any injury at all.

So when they couldn't do the killing their way, it probably stopped.

They do have encounters people, up close ones, but without their weaponry that enables them to keep a distance between them and their target, it may not have seen to be a comfortable thing to do. No point , if one's target is going to go you, with all the fury in the world.

IMO, if Kam and Bryer had planned this and had guns from the start of their trip, they would have taken plenty of ammo. They were experienced in airsoft and also were immersed in games that were played with weapons. In airsoft and video games, if you run out of ammo you are done.

 

[Kubirai]

Is this from that youtube guy Gray somebody? If yes, then it is not a tire iron. He said it was blurred because it's blood or something.

I thought it was blood, but someone contacted GH, and claimed that GH said it was nothing important. Any reliable source mention what it was?

 

[Trooper]

IMO, if Kam and Bryer had planned this and had guns from the start of their trip, they would have taken plenty of ammo. They were experienced in airsoft and also were immersed in games that were played with weapons. In airsoft and video games, if you run out of ammo you are done.

I agree totally with the premise of the airsoft and video games, with the exception that the ammo for the airsoft and vid would be not so difficult to come by, whereas, the ammo for real weaponry , which, it hasn't been decided, was either stolen, or purchased by underground methods, or 'found ' having fallen off the back of a truck, as we say here in AU, the real ammo may have been hard to come by, unless the owner of those guns kept plenty in reserve that they helped themselves to..

It is possible that the guns came with lots of ammo. Not impossible, but not improbable that they underestimated how much to take, or purchase originally. Of course, no one knows how large their ambition was, in the area of murder, who can tell? they may have needed enough, in their own estimation to take out a whole town, an entire school bus, or a squadron of RCMP, or a covey of cranky hunters, interrupted by K and B at a crucial moment. .. who knows? ..

And in the end, they were done. That 's on the record. Done and dusted, perhaps because , precisely, they ran out of ammo.

 

[Esprite]

IMO, if Kam and Bryer had planned this and had guns from the start of their trip, they would have taken plenty of ammo. They were experienced in airsoft and also were immersed in games that were played with weapons. In airsoft and video games, if you run out of ammo you are done.

I agree, and if the guns were taken from the home of a hunter, there probably would have been plenty of ammo available.

 

[LoisLane]

I bit the bullet and had another watch , also.

I only got as far as when he is making the leap of logic, that because his son 'failed to thrive' and had 'no hope' the inevitable response to that condition is to get on the highway and murder people. He makes that claim as if it is entirely reasonable and almost self explanatory. Any fool should be able to see the obvious connection there.

I can't watch it again. There is a sort of narrative he is into , an infantalized son, a sort of Peter Pan boy, big eyed and fringe dwelling, misunderstood, etc.

These were two young men. On the very cusp of manhood, adulthood, they could vote, drink, drive, have children , be married, own property, legally, they could adopt, they could borrow money , they could be held accountable , and also have unalienable rights. ..

oh well.

My overall impression from this interview is that AS has been “fighting” with ministry of children, office of the representative for children and youth, other agencies most likely for BS’s entire childhood. So considering he is interviewing outside of the office representative for children and youth and listening again to his words it sort of alters the context of the interview to be more catered to how he would discuss and question the government agency (like a rehearsal or summary). It could have been strategic to get attention from government etc.

This is what he does. We don’t know how current or active BS was with any sort of child services but if there were red flags that the Ministry was aware of and brought forward by Dad or others it certainly would be alarming. Maybe he is in denial but he could have very valid records of past dealings with government officials that he is concerned about. He may not get anywhere with this but he is certainly trying.

I have seen first hand an irrational and reactive person try to navigate through a government system and it is very difficult for them but eventually this person was taken seriously and the child she was trying to protect was apprehended from an abusive situation, and later (after two years in foster care) was placed in her care and four years after that she is still in constant contact with the ministry advocating for the child. She is not easy to work with. It’s an overall sad outcome but better than the alternative. Anyway what I’m trying to relay is that this is the norm from what I have seen.

 

[Solaris420]

I thought it was blood, but someone contacted GH, and claimed that GH said it was nothing important. Any reliable source mention what it was?

I would think it is important, considering the original image was blurred by TP he must have thought it was to. There is a sharp right angle in the very middle which makes me think it is some kind of object. If it was blood, say from dragging the bodies, one would think there would be more blood around?

 

[JudgeJudi]

No, It is a photograph taken by Trevor Pierre. The roadside worker who found the bodies.

Trevor Pierre didn't find the bodies. At approx. 6: 45 a.m. in the morning Pierre’s boss called him with the news that a young couple had been found dead. Pierre, who was also a medic, was asked to attend the scene and secure it until police arrived.

Pierre said when he arrived there was a trucker stopped at the site, visibly upset. He said the trucker had called RCMP and told him to make sure they had his name to follow up.

 

[Solaris420]

Trevor Pierre didn't find the bodies. At approx. 6: 45 a.m. in the morning Pierre’s boss called him with the news that a young couple had been found dead. Pierre, who was also a medic, was asked to attend the scene and secure it until police arrived.

Pierre said when he arrived there was a trucker stopped at the site, visibly upset. He said the trucker had called RCMP and told him to make sure they had his name to follow up.

My mistake, I believe the photo was originally blurred and posted in a facebook group by a man named Mike Stack (the trucker?).

 

[Solaris420]

Looks like GH was right. My mistake everyone.