Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #20

[Lalalacasbah]

Either way I'm not sure what the relevance is to the overall discussion.

It's as relevant as self-publishing, cell phone providers, cell phone plans/coverage, twilight in Alaska and all the other background info that are tidbits in this mystery we're discussing lol.

I personally found it relevant for me because having followed missing people on the island it was a bit of signal (wrong or right) that something was off. This was personal instinct is all, and all JMO of course.

 

[MistyWaters]

"Peter German, left, a former RCMP deputy commissioner, suspects Mounties are being tight-lipped in an effort to reduce harm to the victims' families. (Darryl Dyck/Canadian Press)"

I think the families want to know if the teens accused of murdering their family is actually the ones who are responsible.

"Sgt. Shoihet said B.C. RCMP do not have any definitive plans for an update on the case."

This has me convinced they have no evidence proving without a doubt that these two boys killed anyone. It went from a few weeks to no definitive plans. Meanwhile, the victim's families are left mourning with no answers and the accused families are left mourning with no proof that their children are guilty or not, despite having their entire reputation tarnished all over the media.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pmo-letters-schmegelsky-mcleod-search-1.5288903?

How can we speak for the victims’ families without knowing whether or not they want more time? There’s no answer that will bring back their loved one.

 

[srper2]

On FB, Bryer apparently had a meme that said guns don't kill people, bullets do.

Who are Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky? What we know about the suspects in northern B.C. deaths

In context, this meme has been splashed all over the internet for years and copied and re-copied copied by many people including Bryer.

 

[Zella]

In context, this meme has been splashed all over the internet for years and copied and re-copied copied by many people including Bryer.

Yes, I am aware of that. I was just providing it for the person who asked about it.

 

[Trooper]

It is odd to me that K and B seemed only to confide in each other. Unless the RCMP has a few contemporaries who have spilled the beans , so to speak, the utter absence of any other young person, male or female from Port Alberni who saw them regularly, didn't they go out at all EVER?.. were their 'wargame' stuff only between themselves? that must have been a bit dreary, really.. not a lot of scope for variation, there.

Didn't they use the library? , the local pool ? the diner? the skate park, the bike ramp? .

They seem to have dropped from the sky onto that lonely highway. Dressed to kill.

 

[srper2]

How can we speak for the victims’ families without knowing whether or not they want more time? There’s no answer that will bring back their loved one.

I don't think anybody is speaking for the victims' families, but people are acknowledging the obvious, that they will want to receive information regarding some type of genuine evidence that the people accused of murdering their loved ones were the ones who did it. So far it is simply accusations and hearsay. RCMP stating that they believe BS and KM were the murderers, that they believe they have evidence and that they have no plans for any further updates could mean anything.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I can imagine it would be a very heavy responsibility for sure, to be caught in the middle.

I’m a bit confused, if a No Contact order is granted against a noncustodial parent preventing communication with a child’s mother or grandmother with whom he lives.....yet the other parent has visitation rights....

That arrangement seems very unusual to me because it would place the burden solely on the teen in communicating and agreeing (or not) when, where and how he has contact with his father.

Does anyone know, is this typical?

Catching up, not sure if this is already answered.

I have a friend in a similar situation and ALL communication is done through lawyers for anything to do with the child. So even if you want to pick the child up 10 minutes later - you have to get the lawyer to ask the other parent's lawyer and they ask the parent if this is ok and so on. Communication through third parties.

And yes, every phone call/email is on the clock and you are charged money (or part of your retainer) so the lawyers are making money!

I don't recall if there was an actual No Contact order in place for my friend though and I do not know if this is protocol for all families, just my personal knowledge and MOO.

 

[NJSleuth91]

In context, this meme has been splashed all over the internet for years and copied and re-copied copied by many people including Bryer.

Yeah that's what makes cases like these so difficult. In probably 99.99999% of cases people posting those memes, joking about Hitler, etc. are just being edgy. As I've said many times, my friends and I have made way worse jokes than the ones that Bryer has been described as making in articles. It's hard to determine when it's a joke and when it's a sign of a deeper issue. This comes up over and over in cases of teen killers. Of course it does seem like he had a fixation on those topics which could be a potential red flag, but how do people determine the line of when it is a red flag? It's not easy to determine and teenagers don't want to report their friends and risk them getting in trouble or being ostracized by students/teachers/etc. -- which has happened before in these kinds of cases.

However, the picture Bryer posted with the gun in his mouth definitely seemed very not joking to me. I want to know what date that was posted.

I don't think anybody is speaking for the victims' families, but people are acknowledging the obvious, that they will want to receive information regarding some type of genuine evidence that the people accused of murdering their loved ones were the ones who did it. So far it is simply accusations and hearsay. RCMP stating that they believe BS and KM were the murderers, that they believe they have evidence and that they have no plans for any further updates could mean anything.

Their loved ones seem to be very frustrated and I think it's with good reason. Kam and Bryer's loved ones are victims too and they deserve to know why the police think Kam and Bryer did it.

 

[NJSleuth91]

They definitely had friends and interacted with people and did things around town. Several of their friends were interviewed in the media, although I don't think any of those were particularly close friends. Those friends reported that the two of them played video games with others, skateboarded, went to hockey games, partied, etc. and generally said they were basically normal, if shy and dorky, teenagers. Kam also had a coffee shop he went to regularly and someone there was interviewed and said he was always friendly. So, yes, they existed in the world before this tragic road trip.

Also, Bryer's dad said in his last interview that Bryer had a group of four close friends, one of which was Kam. And there's also evidence not reported on in MSM that indicates that they had more of a social life than a lot of people think.

However, I don't think their really close friends are going to come forward. Why would they risk being torn apart by the media and public? They're also in shock and grieving at this point. The RCMP has likely interviewed them but there's no reason why we would know about it at this point. And who knows, maybe they did confide in those friends on deeper issues...but again, there's no reason why we would know about it at this point.

 

[MistyWaters]

Their loved ones seem to be very frustrated and I think it's with good reason. Kam and Bryer's loved ones are victims too and they deserve to know why the police think Kam and Bryer did it.

The loved ones of the three victims seem to be very frustrated with police? How do you know this?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Hmm, I was surprised to see that someone is showing posts by members from this thread on Youtube!

Interesting, thanks for sharing! It's kinda weird, he's just reading the posts out loud in a monotone voice. The things on YouTube!

 

[NJSleuth91]

The loved ones of the three victims seem to be very frustrated with police? How do you know this?

No, the loved ones of the suspects. Bryer's great-uncle and dad both made a point of mentioning it. Kam's family also expressed a wish to "get to the bottom of all this" so I imagine they're frustrated too that they still don't have any answers two months later as to what links Kam to the murders (especially Lucas and Chynna).

 

[MistyWaters]

No, the loved ones of the suspects. Bryer's great-uncle and dad both made a point of mentioning it. Kam's family also expressed a wish to "get to the bottom of all this" so I imagine they're frustrated too that they still don't have any answers two months later as to what links Kam to the murders (especially Lucas and Chynna).

How do you know the families of the suspects haven’t been given any answers? I certainly didn’t get that impression from AS’s most recent interview. It seemed to me he had accepted the fact B was involved although he desperately wished to place responsibility on a variety of other factors.

Do you think AS’s is of an adequate frame of mind for an official police report to be released to the public at this time? Because for certain the RCMP are not going to minimize or excuse the actions of the two, regardless if a possible motive for murdering three innocent people is known or not. If the RCMP choses to detail background history of B&K, will it follow conflicting narrative as told to the media, I’m not so sure.

ETA - a comment from Bs great uncle - BBM
“McNabb said the entire family is reeling from trying to reconcile the "polite, kind, young fellow" they knew with what Schmegelsky has been accused of.

"If you met these two fellows, they were not people you would be afraid of."

“He said speaking to the staff sergeant in charge of the investigation had provided some comfort.

"He indicated that [it's] not unusual that the side of folks that we see and think we see on a daily basis can change given some input that we don't know about," McNabb said.

Source: 'This tragedy, it affects 5 families': Bryer Schmegelsky's great uncle speaks out

 

[NJSleuth91]

How do you know the families of the suspects haven’t been given any answers? I certainly didn’t get that impression from AS’s most recent interview.

He literally said that he hadn't been given any answers.

 

[Trooper]

How do you know the families of the suspects haven’t been given any answers? I certainly didn’t get that impression from AS’s most recent interview. It seemed to me he had accepted the fact B was involved although he desperately wished to place responsibility on a variety of other factors.

Do you think AS’s is of an adequate frame of mind for an official police report to be released to the public at this time? Because for certain the RCMP are not going to minimize or excuse the actions of the two, regardless if a possible motive for murdering three innocent people is known or not. If the RCMP choses to detail background history of B&K, will it follow conflicting narrative as told to the media, I’m not so sure.

I got the exact same impression, that AS finally had to face an uncomfortable truth but was now flailing around for other targets to blame. If, say, the vid clips and talks with the RCMP had given AS the slightest window crack of his little boy's innocence , no undertaking he ever would make , with God, or the devil or the RCMP would stop him from bellowing it from one end of Vancouver Island to the other.

What has happened is that AS has been a bit gobsmacked, on the issue of Bry's involvement.

When AS says , he hasn't been given any answers, I bet that means he hasn't been given the answers that he wants. No one has ever given AS the answer he wants, it is plain as day from his known history. Not his ex, not Bry, not the courts , not Child Protection, not the Provincial Government, not the Federal Government, not the public at large, not even , god help us, his 'publisher'...not the Law, not anyone, anywhere.

I cant see anytime soon that AS will be in any adequate frame of mind for the task that is required of him in regard to these three murders. It is inconceivable , to me, that he ever will be, and 30 years from now , he will be saying the same things. It's just how it is.

 

[Trooper]

I am pretty sure Mc McLeod, and AS et al, the uncles etc , the mother, all have been given long and detailed insights into what went down. AS, naturally , is attempting to deflect from the inevitable deluge of approbation and sorrow and probably, real fury from the public at large, and this is understandable. I'd do the same , given his set of circumstances, I believe. Not that I'd be right. But I probably would be knackered enough to try it on.

I'd like to think I 'd pull back into a workable kind of sanity though, and I don't think that will be the case for AS> .

 

[Runningforthewind]

I am pretty sure Mc McLeod, and AS et al, the uncles etc , the mother, all have been given long and detailed insights into what went down.

Where I believe they don't know . I have my reasons which I won't post to stay within the rules.

 

[NJSleuth91]

@MistyWaters

Here is the video of the interview with Bryer's great-uncle where he says that the family is very frustrated with the lack of information from the RCMP, and that they have not been given any more information than anyone else.

Of course, that was from August 9th, Bryer's mom's side of the family has not been interviewed since. But we have some clues that they haven't been given any more information:

a) They almost certainly leaked the information about the goodbye video, seeing as that side of the family were the only people who initially saw it. They almost certainly aren't in contact with Bryer's dad due to the history, and he didn't know what was in the video or where Bryer's remains were which further indicates they're not in contact, so he definitely didn't leak it. I think that was out of frustration to try to get the public to pressure the RCMP to release more information -- I can't think of any other motive why they would leak that information.

b) The RCMP said after the bodies were found that they would release the report to the families, and then to the public immediately thereafter. So whatever they get is going to be a short time before we get it.

c) The RCMP clearly had a pattern of not releasing any more information to them than the public was getting. Three weeks after Kam and Bryer were named as suspects in Lucas and Chynna's murders, they were still not told why the RCMP believed the murders were linked. So why would that pattern suddenly change?

d) I don't believe that the RCMP told Bryer's dad anything, from the way he was talking about it. Like for example saying we don't know where the guns came from. In the interview he seems to accept that Bryer did it, with his statements about how he lost hope and all that. It's just the why and how that he wants answers to. I don't know how anyone could watch that interview and get the impression that he was told in detail about what happened.

The interviewer even mentioned how the public was frustrated with the lack of information and he basically said, "If you guys are frustrated at the lack of information, you have no idea my level of frustration."

 

[Trooper]

Certainly, there have been no complaints or crankiness here from Mr Stephen Fowler. Nor Shaunaugh Fowler.

Not about the suspects, not about the search before their deaths, not about the investigation as a whole, nor the direction of it, not about the technique of it, nor the manner and demeanor of the personnel involved. Nothing about the time it took ( NSW police once took 8 years to find a killer, in the bush just outside Sydney, they could hardly slag off about anyone else taking a long time ) …. Nothing. No complaint What . So. Ever.

Whether Mr and Mrs Deese , and Mr Stetson, her brother, are of the same mind as AS, or an uncle, etc, I don't know, I haven't looked up the South Carolina papers, maybe they wrote to the editor, who knows..

And nowhere can I find Prof Dyck's wife, or his sister carping away publicly... .. I merely note this as a counterpoint.

 

[Runningforthewind]

And nowhere can I find Prof Dyck's wife, or his sister carping away publicly... .. I merely note this as a counterpoint.

Has anyone besides Mr.Dyck's sister spoke about him? I haven't seen any statements, pictures or anything. Not that they have to show but I just found it a bit odd.