Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #20

[Seattle1]

RCMP not ruling out link between missing Vancouver Island teens, body found near truck, double slaying

July 23, 2019

[...]

RCMP aren’t ruling out a possible connection between the missing teenagers, the body discovered nearby and a double homicide last week on the Alaska Highway.

Schmegelsky’s grandmother, Carol Starkey, said McLeod and Schmegelsky left Port Alberni on July 12 to find work in Whitehorse. When they arrived in Whitehorse a few days later, they decided it wasn’t what they had expected. Starkey, who was last in touch with her grandson on July 13 or 14, isn’t sure what their plans were after that.

Schmegelsky had been living with his grandmother for the last two years. “He was a great kid. I really enjoyed having him,” she said. bbm

Sgt. Janelle Shoihet, a media relations officer for the RCMP, said in a press conference Monday that it is unusual to have two simultaneous major crime investigations in northern B.C. She recommended “heightened vigilance and awareness” for anyone travelling in the area.

[...]

 

[Seattle1]

Are you thinking of AS stating B had relatives in Alberta, as he was told by B that’s were they were going? I don’t recall ever reading anything about relatives at Whitehorse or for that matter any sort of confirmation the two ever made it there.

You're probably right. I also don't see grandmother referencing family in MSN post above. I was thinking it was Yukon.

 

[Seattle1]

Missing B.C. teens now suspects in deaths of tourist couple and unidentified man: police

July 23, 2019

McLeod, 19, and Schmegelsky, 18, of Port Alberni, on Vancouver Island, who had been driving the truck, were officially designated missing on Monday; loved ones had not heard from them for several days, but understood they were on the road looking for work, either in Whitehorse or Alberta.

[...]

The elder Schmegelsky said his understanding was the boys were heading for Alberta, where Bryer has family. He said the two enjoyed video games and playing with Airsoft guns with their friends.

bbm

 

[Trooper]

Really, they hardly did any 'travelling' and certainly no working or employment before they started killing. In the overall scheme of things, they got straight into the killing, in retrospect.

The travelling was a result of the murders, not the murders a result of their long travelling.

 

[NJSleuth91]

He said the two enjoyed video games and playing with Airsoft guns with their friends.

SBM

People have speculated on whether Bryer and Kam actually played Airsoft with other people, or just among themselves. I bet those other three close friends Bryer's dad mentioned were the ones they were playing Airsoft with.

Good thing the media never found those other friends. They would have absolutely torn them apart. I can see the headlines now: "Exclusive: Inside the SECRET NAZI DEATH CULT deep in the woods of Port Alberni that trained BC teen killers to MURDER."

 

[Trooper]

What to Know About the Canada Highway Murders of Chynna Deese, Lucas Fowler and Leonard Dyck

just to lay to rest once and for all about the Deese's not getting a 'fair go' in the information stakes...

'By Monday, the Fowler family had met several times with police in Canada, while the Deeses continued to receive regular updates, RCMP said. '

 

[Trooper]

SBM

People have speculated on whether Bryer and Kam actually played Airsoft with other people, or just among themselves. I bet those other three close friends Bryer's dad mentioned were the ones they were playing Airsoft with.

Good thing the media never found those other friends. They would have absolutely torn them apart. I can see the headlines now: "Exclusive: Inside the SECRET NAZI DEATH CULT deep in the woods of Port Alberni that trained BC teen killers to MURDER."

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What to Know About the Canada Highway Murders of Chynna Deese, Lucas Fowler and Leonard Dyck

Just maybe they might have done that very thing... it isn't improbable, all things considered...….

'Lisa Lucas, a neighbor of Bryer’s grandmother, recalled how he used to play with other children in the area, but began losing friends when he showed them pictures of himself wearing a Nazi armband and telling them he imagined playing shooter games in reality.

“After a while he started making people feel uncomfortable,” Lucas told The Daily Mail.

But his behavior allegedly only escalated, according to a former schoolmate who said he threatened her and her friends with violence.

“[He] would tell us how he was going to cut our heads off,” Madison Hempstead said, according to the New Zealand Herald.

 

[NJSleuth91]

That article is misleading on the "escalation" thing. The threats Madison Hempstead mentioned happened when they were 11 or 12 (and she even said in her interview that she thought it was a joke at the time). The comments he made about wanting video games to be real happened around age 13. The Nazi armband thing happened much later on. I'm not saying there wasn't an escalation -- I mean, clearly there was -- but the sequence of events listed there is out of order. There haven't been any accounts of him threatening anyone with violence -- except for in the context of making edgy jokes that nobody took seriously at the time -- past age 12.

 

[Trooper]

There clearly was an escalation, of colossal proportions, indeed.

Certainly, by July 14, 2019, all edgy jokes were over. And down to serious business.

 

[MistyWaters]

This teen could’ve been one who AS described as a friend of B’s.

“Suddenly, behaviour that some who knew the teens had dismissed as simply odd or unsettling has taken on a grave new meaning. A teen in Port Alberni described hanging out with Mr. Schmegelsky and Mr. McLeod while they camped at Sproat Lake this spring, and said Mr. Schmegelsky was wearing a swastika armband and military fatigues, and using a replica Nazi knife to crush Ritalin tablets and snort them.

“I’m so dumbfounded that Kam would be a part of this,” said the teen, whom The Globe and Mail is not identifying by name because of his youth and his concern about being associated with Mr. Schmegelsky. (The Globe conducted the interview with the knowledge of the teen’s father.) “If it is true, I’d be surprised about Kam, but I would not be surprised about Bryer. Let’s just put it this way, he was a little bit [messed] up in the mind.”...”
Searching for answers: Sense of unease lingers in B.C.’s isolated north as police hunt suspects in remote killings

 

[katydid23]

LF's father, in this situation, isn't a police officer, he's a grieving parent, and he said as much right off the top of his PC. A grieving parent isn't capable of investigating or participating in an investigation into the death of their child. A grieving brain doesn't work that way. Again, I believe he knows this. But maybe we'll have to agree to disagree...

I didn't say anything about 'participating' in the investigation.

My point is that detectives trust other detectives with case information, because they have the same sense of professional ethics in terms of investigations. They routinely discuss cases with each other, just as surgeons discuss their own patients with other surgeons.

We can agree to disagree, if that is your wish.

 

[katydid23]

It doesn't sound proffessional to me. They have 3 families here. From 3 different countries. They can't spit in the face of 2 families because "meh, too bad for them, but broterhood, you know". JMO obviously.

Spit in the face?

Are we on the same thread?

 

[NJSleuth91]

This teen could’ve been one who AS described as a friend of B’s.

“Suddenly, behaviour that some who knew the teens had dismissed as simply odd or unsettling has taken on a grave new meaning. A teen in Port Alberni described hanging out with Mr. Schmegelsky and Mr. McLeod while they camped at Sproat Lake this spring, and said Mr. Schmegelsky was wearing a swastika armband and military fatigues, and using a replica Nazi knife to crush Ritalin tablets and snort them.

“I’m so dumbfounded that Kam would be a part of this,” said the teen, whom The Globe and Mail is not identifying by name because of his youth and his concern about being associated with Mr. Schmegelsky. (The Globe conducted the interview with the knowledge of the teen’s father.) “If it is true, I’d be surprised about Kam, but I would not be surprised about Bryer. Let’s just put it this way, he was a little bit [messed] up in the mind.”...”
Searching for answers: Sense of unease lingers in B.C.’s isolated north as police hunt suspects in remote killings

I've also wondered if that was one of their three close friends who gave that interview.

I do find it interesting that he was anonymous so as not to be associated with Bryer specifically. I guess probably because of the Nazi thing, but still. Like...the evidence suggests they were both equally responsible for the killings and that Kam might have even been the leader...Bryer was literally dependent on Kam to drive him during this whole spree....I guess it is a testament to how normal Kam seemed, that that was his friend's response. In fact, I can't remember a single person ever saying anything bad about Kam, in MSM or anywhere.

 

[Trooper]

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[Trooper]

I've also wondered if that was one of their three close friends who gave that interview.

I do find it interesting that he was anonymous so as not to be associated with Bryer specifically. I guess probably because of the Nazi thing, but still. Like...the evidence suggests they were both equally responsible for the killings and that Kam might have even been the leader...Bryer was literally dependent on Kam to drive him during this whole spree....I guess it is a testament to how normal Kam seemed, that that was his friend's response. In fact, I can't remember a single person ever saying anything bad about Kam, in MSM or anywhere.

he was anonymous because most probably his father had made that a condition of the interview, for good reason. The kid would have been hounded to a faretheewell.

Clearly says, the Globe and Mail ( I miss that paper!!) got permission from Dad to do it.

With no one saying a single thing bad about Kam, that is highly suspicious , in itself. It means people are simply not prepared to speak to reporters of their experiences with Kam. Even Mother Theresa got the occasional bad press, no one could that inhumanly without sin or imperfection. Not possible.

When this is 'over ' so to speak, there will be plenty of people laying it out from one end of Port Alberni to the other. People will WANT to talk.

Another reason there isn't much about Kam out there, maybe Kam didn't need to lay it out, he had a trusty corporal who did all his talking.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

My family will never see justice for our murder because a city police department did not follow proper protocol and released a erroneous cause of death before autopsy results were concluded, failed to secure the crime scene based on their erroenous beliefs and when they did make an arrest, there was no evidence tying that person to the murders so we can conclude that either an innocent or guilty man walked free. I'd rather that any family has to wait a bit of extra time to ensure they learn the whole truth rather than probable truth. There's no going back or redos once the information is released to the victims families.

I can't speak for all provinces and I certainly can't speak for all evidence but I do know, from firsthand experience that in Alberta, the results from a coroner ordered toxicology test takes approximately 3 months.

DNA results also take a fairly long time and may be something RCMP is waiting on. On their own, toxicology and DNA results may seem insignificant but I can't see the RCMP providing much in the way of answers until they have received, reviewed, analyzed and documented every lab result and every shred of information and compiled a complete and comprehensive report.

It's unfortunate there was no justice for you. And thanks for sharing insightful, personal information. That helps gauge that things can and do take awhile to process.

 

[ktm44]

It's unfortunate there was no justice for you. And thanks for sharing insightful, personal information. That helps gauge that things can and do take awhile to process.

Bad things often bring about good as well. Police policies were reviewed and amended, including police publicly speculating on COD and identifying suspects before there is sufficient legal proof.

My aunt turned her anger in an entirely different direction and has worked tirelessly, starting a support group for victims of violent crimes and that group has branched out to include police departments, which has helped them deal more effectively with families.

It's hard for me to watch demands for answers when the answers need to come from so many different facets of an investigation and I really feel that the Dyck, Deese and Fowler families deserve answers but the nightmare of premature or erroneous answers is far worse than waiting until everything is in place.

 

[KR72]

I had posted this some time ago, but people did not read the article before jumping into talking about "whacko's" and "crazies" being the only people sending the emails! Now people are beginning to read the (now updated) report!

Where did you read that only crazies email government officials? I don't think I read that anywhere, only that they often do, and that they're often ill informed or have an agenda. The original article was poorly written, and definitely indicated that a few ill informed people emailed the PMO.

In the emails included in the original article, it's clear that some of the people have no idea how things actually work. The person accusing Goodale of not getting the military involved soon enough for example, suggesting that the military helps in foreign aid, but not Canadians. That's a ridiculous and ignorant accusation to make, especially since they've been sent out helping across the country, countless times in floods and other natural disasters. Any Canadian who watches the news would know that. Like I said before, it came from someone with an axe to grind.

On another note, I'm surprised at how little that Peter German knew. He questioned the RCMP's tactics without realizing that they were using their own helicopters, drones etc

 

[Iwondertoo]

@ktm44 I too want to thank you for sharing your story and thoughts to help us understand all the different sides to this. This is a interesting discussion and it's so informative to see it from so many angles.

SBM

It's hard for me to watch demands for answers when the answers need to come from so many different facets of an investigation and I really feel that the Dyck, Deese and Fowler families deserve answers but the nightmare of premature or erroneous answers is far worse than waiting until everything is in place.

BBM

Well said. Thank you for saying it.

 

[srper2]

Where did you read that only crazies email government officials? I don't think I read that anywhere, only that they often do, and that they're often ill informed or have an agenda. The original article was poorly written, and definitely indicated that a few ill informed people emailed the PMO.

In the emails included in the original article, it's clear that some of the people have no idea how things actually work. The person accusing Goodale of not getting the military involved soon enough for example, suggesting that the military helps in foreign aid, but not Canadians. That's a ridiculous and ignorant accusation to make, especially since they've been sent out helping across the country, countless times in floods and other natural disasters. Any Canadian who watches the news would know that. Like I said before, it came from someone with an axe to grind.

On another note, I'm surprised at how little that Peter German knew. He questioned the RCMP's tactics without realizing that they were using their own helicopters, drones etc

I was replying to somebody asking about the updated article. It had originally indicated that 12 emails were received, and some posters here and some commenting on the story on the news site said they thought that the emails would likely be from "whacko's" and "crazies"! After the article was updated to say that these 12 emails were a sample of the emails received, people who originally had this opinion may have changed their minds. (Unless they have been deleted or edited, you can probably scroll back and read through some of the opinions people were putting forth about the reasons for the emails.