CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #6

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Wow, I have read so many stories and post.....couldn't believe that hasn't been confirmed, thought it was me. Thanks!

Yeah I have read through so many now the facts get distorted, but as far I have found there hasn't been any legit sources stating it was his vehicle.
I expect we all assume it was though.
 
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Wow, I have read so many stories and post.....couldn't believe that hasn't been confirmed, thought it was me. Thanks!
I think it's 'believed', tho not confirmed.
 
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Alexis Daish‏Verified account @LexiDaish
Police on the ground in Gillam say Canadian Armed Forces aircraft is currently being used to search an area of forest that has about 100 cabins scattered across the area that are used by hunters.@9NewsAUS @TheTodayShow

1:15 PM - 28 Jul 2019 pst

Alexis Daish‏Verified account @LexiDaish
Key update from Canadian Police @rcmpmb leading this search: "Investigators have now received over 200 tips in the last 5 days. None have established that the suspects are outside of the Gillam area".@9NewsAUS @TheTodayShow

1:38 PM - 28 Jul 2019 pst
 
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... It is not legal to drive a vehicle in Canada without a licence plate.
Except with a temporary operating permit (piece of paper in window).
 
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RCMP Manitoba‏Verified account @rcmpmb
Canadians with tips about the suspects should immediately contact their local police. Multiple tips of sightings have been posted to social media & NOT directly reported to police. If the tips are valid, it could create a substantial delay in the response by police. #rcmpmb

1:30 PM - 28 Jul 2019 pst

RCMP Manitoba‏Verified account @rcmpmb
Investigators have now received over 200 tips in the last 5 days. None have established that the suspects are outside of the Gillam area. The RCMP continues to remind the public that it's possible the suspects inadvertently received assistance & no longer in the area. #rcmpmb

1:29 PM - 28 Jul 2019 pst
 
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RCMP Manitoba‏Verified account @rcmpmb
No new sightings of suspects. Officers are searching cottages, cabins, waterways, & along the rail line for any signs of the suspects. This search of remote areas is being conducted both on foot & in the air. The terrain is immense & varied w/lakes, ponds, muskeg etc. #rcmpmb

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1:28 PM - 28 Jul 2019 pst
 
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I just had a creepy thought. These two could be videoing everything they do and publishing on the dark web. For money? Maybe. For notoriety? Absolutely. I think if they didn't know they would get caught too early, they'd be livestreaming it.
That (livestreaming) would be cost-prohibitive in the far north (mobile satellite and lots of data).
 
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We know that RCMP needed 3 days to identify the victims. That is a very long time in terms of solving a crime. I'm pretty sure that the coroner sorted out that they were shot as soon as he was with the bodies.

From my perspective, the delay in identification of the victims gave the teens an huge head start, and changed the nature and scope of the investigation.

Honestly, I am not playing dumb, nor am I trying to be contrary, but how did the delay in identifying the victims give the teens a huge head start? If there had been a proper registration of the vehicle, without ID on the victims, there still was no guarantee that the victims were the owners of the van. The van could have been stolen, for all LE could have known. Also, while surely someone behind a desk was having to run a check on the van registration and try to determine identities of vics, it isn't like the rest of the investigators were sitting around thinking, "damn, sure wish we could start dusting for prints and gathering evidence and trying to find who did this, but I guess we can't until we know who these dead people are." Regardless of whether or not they had ID'd the victims, they knew they had been murdered by someone, and began investigating. And I frankly do not see how determining the identities of the victims aided in the search for the perps at all, as it seems it was an entirely random encounter. JMO
 
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So what would be the problem with confirming? It adds clarity.
 
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DNA maybe, info gleaned from public/witnesses calling the tip line definitely but not ballistics as there’s no mention that LD died as a result of being shot.

DNA has to be collected somehow. If the perp uses a gun and never goes near the victim, it's rare that there's DNA to match. If the perps were inside the van, though, it's *possible* some DNA would be found (but really, it takes a special forensic team a lot of time to swab all the possible places; fire makes it much more difficult, as we learned in our Cali wildfires). If the perps dragged bodies out of the van before burning (as it appears they did), then...yes...they may find samples at the morgue. Maybe. The analysis of "found DNA" takes some time, though. They'd be looking for as few as a couple of cells on a body, and it's rarely done with bodies - usually with an inanimate object known to have been used by the perp. The clothing of the victims might yield this type of evidence, but it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. Even partial nuclear DNA evidence can be fairly identifying, though.

I just doubt that they've done that kind of analysis of the victims' clothing. I haven't seen pix of the RAV4, but if it were completely incinerated, it would be very difficult to find much DNA. Very frustrating for those tasked with that. I am guessing that's RCMP lab work - done in some central location. To accomplish it in the best way, the lab should move operations to the car...sampling here and there might not do it.
 
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That would be cost-prohibitive in the far north (mobile satellite and lots of data).

never thought of that
ok so they could still video it to be uploaded at a later time
 
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Is the community freezer in Fox Lake being watched?
 
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DNA has to be collected somehow. If the perp uses a gun and never goes near the victim, it's rare that there's DNA to match. If the perps were inside the van, though, it's *possible* some DNA would be found (but really, it takes a special forensic team a lot of time to swab all the possible places; fire makes it much more difficult, as we learned in our Cali wildfires). If the perps dragged bodies out of the van before burning (as it appears they did), then...yes...they may find samples at the morgue. Maybe. The analysis of "found DNA" takes some time, though. They'd be looking for as few as a couple of cells on a body, and it's rarely done with bodies - usually with an inanimate object known to have been used by the perp. The clothing of the victims might yield this type of evidence, but it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. Even partial nuclear DNA evidence can be fairly identifying, though.

I just doubt that they've done that kind of analysis of the victims' clothing. I haven't seen pix of the RAV4, but if it were completely incinerated, it would be very difficult to find much DNA. Very frustrating for those tasked with that. I am guessing that's RCMP lab work - done in some central location. To accomplish it in the best way, the lab should move operations to the car...sampling here and there might not do it.

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again, the van was not burned
 
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So, if no fire in the van (which is what I originally thought), what, exactly links the van crime to the fire in the truck/camper and the RAV4? In terms of physical evidence, I mean. Only the ballistics, at this point, I'd think. Too soon for complex DNA analysis of the bodies (if that even turns out to be fruitful).

The burn-the-car MO establishes links between the perps and the botanist. But since we don't know that the botanist was shot, we get to sit and guess some more about why and how they linked these crimes.

But there might be DNA evidence in the van, therefore - and that could be matched to objects from the suspects' homes. Pretty quickly, I'd think.
 
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DNA has to be collected somehow. If the perp uses a gun and never goes near the victim, it's rare that there's DNA to match. If the perps were inside the van, though, it's *possible* some DNA would be found (but really, it takes a special forensic team a lot of time to swab all the possible places; fire makes it much more difficult, as we learned in our Cali wildfires). If the perps dragged bodies out of the van before burning (as it appears they did), then...yes...they may find samples at the morgue. Maybe. The analysis of "found DNA" takes some time, though. They'd be looking for as few as a couple of cells on a body, and it's rarely done with bodies - usually with an inanimate object known to have been used by the perp. The clothing of the victims might yield this type of evidence, but it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. Even partial nuclear DNA evidence can be fairly identifying, though.

I just doubt that they've done that kind of analysis of the victims' clothing. I haven't seen pix of the RAV4, but if it were completely incinerated, it would be very difficult to find much DNA. Very frustrating for those tasked with that. I am guessing that's RCMP lab work - done in some central location. To accomplish it in the best way, the lab should move operations to the car...sampling here and there might not do it.
Wait, the van was not burned, was it? They burned the Rav and their own truck.
 
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Respectfully, this debate over the van and its registration has gone on for 6 threads now, with the same statements being recycled, over and over again. The main things we need to know about the victims are that they were perfectly innocent, and in no way contributed to their own deaths. Being disabled by the side of a highway is not an invitation to be murdered, regardless of where, or even if the van was registered.


Thank you! I am getting tired of reading about it! It comes off as victim blaming, even with bringing up the age of the van. Young broke travellers buy old cheap vehicles to adventure in. Having a vehicle that is crappy does not mean you deserve to get murdered! Yes, there were slight variations to things that could have prevented this, but how far does that thought go?

Our days are full of tiny decisions and choices that shape our future unknowingly. We never know what is going to happen every single day we wake up, or if we will wake up the next.

So YES the vehicle being shadily registered in another province was not the brightest decision but also not uncommon. It also has very little to do with what happened to them. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time and it is so tragic.
 
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