Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #8

[srper2]

I saw in a report way back that the RCMP also took negotiators to Gillam, but there has been no attempt to use them, no attempts at negotiations to get them to surrender themselves. No parent at news conference asking them to surrender to police etc. Just police and military presence, which has been shown to be of no use for the past week.

 

[Cdndadeh]

Here’s a theory from start to present day.

The boys set out on an adventure originally headed north for work or fun?

They stumble across the disabled van on the side of the highway and think it’s empty so they try to break in to raid it. While trying to gain entry LF shoots out the back window trying to protect Chynna and himself. Things get ugly and the boys kill them and raid the van.

From here they leave and lay low for a couple of days trying to figure out what to do. Likely panicked because someone drove by and saw that big red truck of theirs so they decide to try and find a replacement vehicle and make a run for it.

They head down the highway until they come across LD and seize this opportunity and kill him either by accident or by design. Possibly with a gun obtained from LF which is why they get connected?? Anyway they drive both vehicles a few kms up the road because BS isn’t a great driver so first place they find they torch it and they head east.

Why they stop in Alberta and end up stuck to the point they need help is beyond me but no one dies. Next stop Sask by this time they’ve refined their plan and stop for supplies which I believe they shoplift from the coop and god knows where else they stopped. They move along and get stopped by the constables at split lake and this I think freaks them out. They know it’s only a matter of time before the rav is wanted in the media (prob surprised it isn’t already) so they decide they have to dump it. They either find another vehicle or a place to hide out. Burn the rav and make their way either by foot or car to their current spot. And now they’re waiting.

I don’t think they headed into the bush. There was no immediate pressure.

I don’t think they were sighted in YL.

I do think they are somewhere laying low back towards the west in an unpopulated area that they spied on their way out.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Yes, if their phone is still charged (and now they have those back-up thingies, which is totally possible - mine keeps my phone charged for brief daily use while traveling for about 2 weeks)...then GPS would be the one thing they'd be most likely to be able to use (downloaded map and all from before).

So...that's direct to satellite and not through a tower, right? Someone please explain (again) how the GPS differs from using Cellular network.

PS. I'm the one who said that my teenage-24 year old students have a rough time with paper maps and figuring things out without that blue dot showing them where they are - but they catch on after a couple of weeks of practice.

If you trust the recollection of the Band personnel who checked them re alcohol, there were paper maps in the car.

 

[Herat]

This article shows an image of the York Landing garbage dump.
RCMP descend on York Landing, Man., after credible tip on B.C. murder suspects

This just makes me feel sorry for the bears

What a pathetic excuse for a dump

 

[MassGuy]

Very true but whatever the RCMP are doing thus far, is not working. They are missing something. Something critical.

That’s just such a tremendously large and unforgiving area, that I can’t fault them.

Just look at the Clinton Correctional escape in New York, in the summer of 2016.

That search area wasn’t as large, and they dedicated a tremendous amount of resources to finding those two guys.

It still took them 3 weeks, and cost $23 million.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Here’s a theory from start to present day.

The boys set out on an adventure originally headed north for work or fun?

They stumble across the disabled van on the side of the highway and think it’s empty so they try to break in to raid it. While trying to gain entry LF shoots out the back window trying to protect Chynna and himself. Things get ugly and the boys kill them and raid the van.

From here they leave and lay low for a couple of days trying to figure out what to do. Likely panicked because someone drove by and saw that big red truck of theirs so they decide to try and find a replacement vehicle and make a run for it.

They head down the highway until they come across LD and seize this opportunity and kill him either by accident or by design. Possibly with a gun obtained from LF which is why they get connected?? Anyway they drive both vehicles a few kms up the road because BS isn’t a great driver so first place they find they torch it and they head east.

Why they stop in Alberta and end up stuck to the point they need help is beyond me but no one dies. Next stop Sask by this time they’ve refined their plan and stop for supplies which I believe they shoplift from the coop and god knows where else they stopped. They move along and get stopped by the constables at split lake and this I think freaks them out. They know it’s only a matter of time before the rav is wanted in the media (prob surprised it isn’t already) so they decide they have to dump it. They either find another vehicle or a place to hide out. Burn the rav and make their way either by foot or car to their current spot. And now they’re waiting.

I don’t think they headed into the bush. There was no immediate pressure.

I don’t think they were sighted in YL.

I do think they are somewhere laying low back towards the west in an unpopulated area that they spied on their way out.

But there’s no evidence, or reason to believe, that Lucas Fowler had a gun.

 

[Carpetchick]

Nelson River I think. MOO

I looked at that too. It looks like where power lines would run I followed the lines on google maps and it runs straight to York landing from Gilliam

 

[Kubirai]

So...that's direct to satellite and not through a tower, right? Someone please explain (again) how the GPS differs from using Cellular network.

GPS satellites are always up in the sky, in fixed positions. GPS receiver circuit in a phone need to "see" 4 satellites to figure out where it is.

You can also buy battery powered GPS units for hiking, pre-loaded with maps. Garmin is a popular brand.

 

[Xyzzia]

I am surprised how many people are talking about teenagers not being able to read maps! Most teens I know are excellent map readers and navigators and many got these skills from gaming! Mobile phone apps using GPS satellites are free and an excellent tool. I have travelled to remote places around the world and been able to map my path and measure and record distances very accurately. As others have said, power banks can give numerous recharges and if a phone is only used occassionally it can last some time. (If it wasn't burnt in the original burnt out car!). I am assuming that Canada would also have GPS satellites somewhere in the sky over there, since they can even be accessed from Mount Everest!

Yeah there's satellite phones. They're extremely expensive. When I've been up to her extremely remote places to work there's no cell phone service but we use satellite phones. The oil company that I work for buy them cuz they're really expensive to buy and expensive to use.
And besides like somebody posted earlier who are they going to call? Probably not the Ghostbusters.

 

[scrappinkat]

Neither one alone would do what they both did together. Are they more than just friends? moo

I know that my point of view will be shared by very very few people.

I think that Bryers dad was telling the truth as best he could. Despite issues from seeing his father die of aids Alan Schmegelsky gets married and hopes to live out the standard get married, settle down, be happy dream. Looking at older pictures he’s uploaded Bryer (and his father Alan) looks quite happy as a young boy and they do seem to share a great father-son connection. But it doesn’t work out well for whatever reason. He claims it’s because his wife doesn’t act like the woman he thought he married and is abusive in the marriage so he files for divorce. The divorce gets nasty. His wife, Bryers mother, restricts his access to his son, although I’m not sure it was for legitimate reasons as it could have been more to hurt her ex-husband. •just to note that a neighbour who used to live beside Bryers grandmother said that when Bryer was 11, 12, 13 that he used to spend a lot of time at her place because “he had a real home life”.

Based on the letter that Bryers mother wrote to the papers pleading with him to come home I’m in the opinion that his mother was /is quite like the ex-husband claims and at the very least Bryers emotional well being was not her first priority. Case in point she thought that buying him video games should have been enough for him to be happy. Believing his son was not being nurtured and cared for probably drove him to the behaviours that resulted in the charges against him. A vicious cycle due the lack of feeling heard about his concerns for his son led him to trying harder to find a way to be involved in his sons life. When he finally manages to be awarded visitation it’s years later and under supervision. He sees how much his son has changed in the years and tries to involve himself in his life as best he can, trying to make up for years of believed neglect. Alan Schmegelsky seems to have had some success in construction, at one time was construction firm boss. But by one account he’s been homeless for the past two years yet he has still managed to make bi-weekly/monthly visits to see Bryer, even renting a hotel for some of the visits. When confronted with the news his son was charged with second degree murder all that guilt overwhelms him and we see him as we did in the video of him losing control when asked about it by media.

Children raised in an environment that denied or ignored their emotional needs can (most likely will) become cold and calculating, unable to genuinely care for/about anything. It’s truly a completely foreign concept for them. But is Bryer as affected by how his mother raised him as the father claims? I do not know. That really is only something that a person with years of training can determine, and only after seeing Bryer in a professional sense for some amount of time.

In the meantime Kam has been friends with Bryer since elementary school. By all accounts he is a considerate and kind kid. This trait could be his downfall as he’s seen the awful things Bryers experienced and could well feel as though he has to help protect and save him, or at the very least care for him because he has no one else. It’s a bond that can be stronger than physical or sexual, and unfortunately more insidious at times.

 

[otto]

If you trust the recollection of the Band personnel who checked them re alcohol, there were paper maps in the car.

I'm doubtful of that sighting as well.

 

[MistyWaters]

People who were at the dump probably have come forward. The assumption here is that Mr. Bighetty and his partner know what they saw.

Yes I think it sure is possible somebody came forward, considering how soon the RCMP diminished their interest in York Landing. A situation such as that would still qualify as an unconfirmed and unsubstantiated sighting without the RCMP having to discredit the member of the Bear Clan Patrol who reported what he thought he saw.

JMO but it would seem prudent for a local resident to accompany the patrols, someone who’s familiar with other locals versus manhunted strangers.

 

[puppyraiser]

DBM

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Look at it this way. By the time the Hercules C130-H is finished, there will be some very high resolution maps of northeastern Manitoba. I wonder if they’ll let Google have them?

I’d love to know what kind of software the armed forces have that could be used to go through that data looking for human bodies.

 

[Xyzzia]

When two people are shot, and there is gun violence, there is no reason to think that something different happened. A real gun was used to shoot them.

Okay I'll take your word for it.

 

[Kiantra]

There’s no evidence, or reason to believe, that Lucas Fowler had a gun.

True and there is no proof the suspects had a gun either. However, given Fowler’s father was police officer or similar in Australia, it wouldn’t be unreasonable to think that Fowler was not exposed to guns or how to use them.

 

[Cdndadeh]

There’s no evidence, or reason to believe, that Lucas Fowler had a gun.

Your right except that window got blown out from the inside. Maybe he didn’t have a gun. I’m just offering an idea on where this may have gone horribly wrong.

 

[Seattle1]

I looked at that too. It looks like where power lines would run I followed the lines on google maps and it runs straight to York landing from Gilliam

Yes -- that works.

Walked down the railway line, and then took path access to electricity pylons to get to York Landing.

MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

I’ve seen three pics of the dump and not one of them features a dumpster... the way MSM loves to sensationalize items like this I find it shocking, by now it should be the most famous dumpster in North America.

Was there a dumpster? All the reports I recall reading only referred to the community’s garbage dump.

 

[PaulR]

I have no idea what power lines look like in Manitoba, here they can be trails because vehicles need to ride on them to make repairs. It seems like someone walking on/near the trail would be easily visible.