Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #2

[Sillybilly]

Unbelievable! A pardon??? :banghead:

Hopefully the government can fast-track this legislation:

Tories promise law by fall to clamp down on pardon system

The Canadian Press
Thu. Apr 22 - 4:54 AM
OTTAWA — The Conservative government will bring in legislation to tighten the pardon system by the fall at the latest.

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full article:
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Canada/1178676.html

 

[nobodyzgirl]

O/T sorry, I did not know where else to post this link to a petition. Apparently Karla is able to apply for a pardon this summer, this is a petition to try and stop it.

http://www.petitiononline.com/nopardkh/petition.html

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100419/national/justice_pardons

There is a actually a forum for this on WS:

Karla Homolka may get pardon - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Summersolstice]

A Mount Forest author published the names of people who had been assaulted by Bernardo/Homolka online. LE laid nearly 100 charges against him for this:

http://www.injusticebusters.com/05/Williams_Stephen05.shtml

Extreme unwillingness to go to court could explain the shortage of investigative articles in the case of RW.

 

[Pink Panther]

The silence here smells of backroom deals the likes of which we've seen before. I hope I'm wrong.

ETA - Is there an official ban on reporting this case? Have I missed this?

If this guy has managed to starve himself to death's door...Is the media being banned from reporting this? How does this work???

 

[antiquegirl]

The silence here smells of backroom deals the likes of which we've seen before. I hope I'm wrong.

I respectfully disagree that there are any deals being discussed at this point. First of all, it's too soon, as I believe LE is still at the early stages of gathering evidence, of which there should be tons. Secondly, from what has been reported, it sounds as if RW is fully cooperating - to the point of leading LE to JL's remains and to evidence hidden at his home. Third, he is trying to kill himself, which sounds as if he has no hope for his future. Fourth, the four serious charges against him are more than enough for the Crown to not need much more from him. It was reported that LE has enough that they aren't even interested in talking to him anymore. None of this indicates that any deals are being discussed.

ETA - Is there an official ban on reporting this case? Have I missed this?

There's been nothing about an official publication ban, which is requested by the defense attorney, has to be granted by a judge, usually doesn't happen until the preliminary hearing stage or later, and is not very common. When any such ban is imposed, the media becomes incensed and reports the fact immediately, often challenging it in court.

If this guy has managed to starve himself to death's door...Is the media being banned from reporting this? How does this work???

Unless RW is refusing water, he'd be far from death's door yet. He was well-nourished and in great physical condition before he began to refuse food. As long as he's drinking, it could take as long as two months or even a little longer for him to be in grave danger. There would be medical intervention when he reached this stage. See above re any media bans.

I don't believe that there is anything ominous to be inferred from the current media silence about this case. If LE is not giving them anything to report, there is nothing to be published. About all they could write would be a one-liner that it's "day such-and-such" of his self-inflicted starvation. Everything else would be a repetition of information already published. It has been barely over a week since The Globe and Mail published this extensive article about the man and the case.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...s-the-making-of-a-mystery-man/article1537412/

I suspect that we'll probably get an update on RW's condition within a week or two.

JMO

 

[pinkeyesucks]

Found this excerpt while surfing, interesting read for those of you curious about personality disorder. Perhaps we aren't hearing of the hunger strike because it plays into his hands?

"The narcissist's pronounced lack of empathy, off-handed exploitativeness, grandiose fantasies and uncompromising sense of entitlement make him treat all people as though they were objects (he "objectifies" people). The narcissist regards others as either useful conduits for and sources of narcissistic supply (attention, adulation, etc.) - or as extensions of himself.

Similarly, serial killers often mutilate their victims and abscond with trophies - usually, body parts. Some of them have been known to eat the organs they have ripped - an act of merging with the dead and assimilating them through digestion. They treat their victims as some children do their rag dolls.

Killing the victim - often capturing him or her on film before the murder - is a form of exerting unmitigated, absolute, and irreversible control over it. The serial killer aspires to "freeze time" in the still perfection that he has choreographed. The victim is motionless and defenseless. The killer attains long sought "object permanence". The victim is unlikely to run on the serial assassin, or vanish as earlier objects in the killer's life (e.g., his parents) have done.

In malignant narcissism, the true self of the narcissist is replaced by a false construct, imbued with omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence. The narcissist's thinking is magical and infantile. He feels immune to the consequences of his own actions. Yet, this very source of apparently superhuman fortitude is also the narcissist's Achilles heel.

The narcissist's personality is chaotic. His defense mechanisms are primitive. The whole edifice is precariously balanced on pillars of denial, splitting, projection, rationalization, and projective identification. Narcissistic injuries - life crises, such as abandonment, divorce, financial difficulties, incarceration, public opprobrium - can bring the whole thing tumbling down. The narcissist cannot afford to be rejected, spurned, insulted, hurt, resisted, criticized, or disagreed with."

More at link: http://samvak.tripod.com/serialkillers.html

 

[Summersolstice]

Found this excerpt while surfing, interesting read for those of you curious about personality disorder. Perhaps we aren't hearing of the hunger strike because it plays into his hands?

"The narcissist's pronounced lack of empathy, off-handed exploitativeness, grandiose fantasies and uncompromising sense of entitlement make him treat all people as though they were objects (he "objectifies" people). The narcissist regards others as either useful conduits for and sources of narcissistic supply (attention, adulation, etc.) - or as extensions of himself.

Similarly, serial killers often mutilate their victims and abscond with trophies - usually, body parts. Some of them have been known to eat the organs they have ripped - an act of merging with the dead and assimilating them through digestion. They treat their victims as some children do their rag dolls.

Killing the victim - often capturing him or her on film before the murder - is a form of exerting unmitigated, absolute, and irreversible control over it. The serial killer aspires to "freeze time" in the still perfection that he has choreographed. The victim is motionless and defenseless. The killer attains long sought "object permanence". The victim is unlikely to run on the serial assassin, or vanish as earlier objects in the killer's life (e.g., his parents) have done.

In malignant narcissism, the true self of the narcissist is replaced by a false construct, imbued with omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence. The narcissist's thinking is magical and infantile. He feels immune to the consequences of his own actions. Yet, this very source of apparently superhuman fortitude is also the narcissist's Achilles heel.

The narcissist's personality is chaotic. His defense mechanisms are primitive. The whole edifice is precariously balanced on pillars of denial, splitting, projection, rationalization, and projective identification. Narcissistic injuries - life crises, such as abandonment, divorce, financial difficulties, incarceration, public opprobrium - can bring the whole thing tumbling down. The narcissist cannot afford to be rejected, spurned, insulted, hurt, resisted, criticized, or disagreed with."

More at link: http://samvak.tripod.com/serialkillers.html

Bear in mind that the author of that piece is himself a narcissist, and is not a psychologist or psychiatrist.

 

[satchel]

The narcissist regards others as either useful conduits for and sources of narcissistic supply (attention, adulation, etc.)

I also thought the same thing when LE said in one of the reports that they had gotten enough information and it sounded like he wanted to go on and on talking. They must have picked up on the attention thing.
Thanks for sharing. This was interesting.

 

[antiquegirl]

Bear in mind that the author of that piece is himself a narcissist, and is not a psychologist or psychiatrist.

Sometimes it takes one to know one.

Some of us did a lot of research about narcissism during the early stages of the Stafford case. This all fits in with what I've read, but is even easier to understand.

 

[Pink Panther]

I also thought the same thing when LE said in one of the reports that they had gotten enough information and it sounded like he wanted to go on and on talking. They must have picked up on the attention thing.
Thanks for sharing. This was interesting.

I found that report that they "had gotten enough information" very disconcerting and still do! How could they have "enough" information so early on and why would they want to in any way discourage his providing more!??? Particularly if there is even a remote possibility that he has committed crimes other than the ones that he had, at that point, allegedly claimed to have commited?

JMO

 

[Summersolstice]

Sometimes it takes one to know one.

Some of us did a lot of research about narcissism during the early stages of the Stafford case. This all fits in with what I've read, but is even easier to understand.

Urging caution.

 

[pinkeyesucks]

I found that report that they "had gotten enough information" very disconcerting and still do! How could they have "enough" information so early on and why would they want to in any way discourage his providing more!??? Particularly if there is even a remote possibility that he has committed crimes other than the ones that he had, at that point, allegedly claimed to have commited?

JMO

That is a very good point, but it is my understanding that right now, this very second, they need to deal with the cases that are before the crown, so it could be a simple case of LE saying that they have what they need for the crimes for which they will be taking to court now (not directly to reporters, since that quote was from a source inside the jail if I remember correctly) - it would make sense to seal those ones up before they open cold cases wouldn't it? Just my thought process leaking out onto the screen....

I have a ebook copy of the text Personality Disorders in Modern Life, and have read it a number of times. Typically I stick to the borderline stuff because that is what we have to deal with on a daily basis here, but the Narcissistic PD's are well explained- and the link that I provided in the above post was an accurate and less clinical description of the NPD's.

 

[pinkeyesucks]

Urging caution.

uh, urging caution in respect to what? If you don't mind my asking.

 

[Pink Panther]

I respectfully disagree that there are any deals being discussed at this point. First of all, it's too soon, as I believe LE is still at the early stages of gathering evidence, of which there should be tons. Secondly, from what has been reported, it sounds as if RW is fully cooperating - to the point of leading LE to JL's remains and to evidence hidden at his home. Third, he is trying to kill himself, which sounds as if he has no hope for his future. Fourth, the four serious charges against him are more than enough for the Crown to not need much more from him. It was reported that LE has enough that they aren't even interested in talking to him anymore. None of this indicates that any deals are being discussed.

I sincerely hope that you are correct and there aren&#8217;t any deals being discussed. 1.) I&#8217;m not sure that there is a timeline for these types of agreements particularly in cases where the individual awaiting trial has already provided detailed information regarding his involvement in a crime/crimes. 2.) Reporting that RW &#8220;is fully cooperating&#8221; has so far, only been made with reference to those crimes for which he is currently awaiting trial. We know nothing about his level of cooperation regarding other additional crimes that he may/may not have committed. 3.) I&#8217;m not so sure that stuffing a toilet paper roll with scraps of tinfoil in it is a convincing suicide attempt...I may need to do a bit more research on it but I have yet to read anything to indicate that this is a successful way to carry out such a task. 4.) The four charges against him may be enough for the Crown to proceed with this case but I cannot agree (so early in the investigation) that there is not much more needed from him. As I understand, several other provinces/jurisdictions have expressed an interest in pursuing his possible involvement in other crimes. I found the report that implied that LE wasn&#8217;t interested in talking to him anymore shocking and premature! In fact, I&#8217;ve been hoping that it was either sloppy reporting or information based on a source that doesn&#8217;t really know the full scope of the investigation.

There's been nothing about an official publication ban, which is requested by the defense attorney, has to be granted by a judge, usually doesn't happen until the preliminary hearing stage or later, and is not very common. When any such ban is imposed, the media becomes incensed and reports the fact immediately, often challenging it in court.

This is good to know. I couldn&#8217;t find any information on this and I think you&#8217;re right that the media would be up in arms about it if there were one!

Unless RW is refusing water, he'd be far from death's door yet. He was well-nourished and in great physical condition before he began to refuse food. As long as he's drinking, it could take as long as two months or even a little longer for him to be in grave danger. There would be medical intervention when he reached this stage. See above re any media bans.

I don't believe that there is anything ominous to be inferred from the current media silence about this case. If LE is not giving them anything to report, there is nothing to be published. About all they could write would be a one-liner that it's "day such-and-such" of his self-inflicted starvation. Everything else would be a repetition of information already published. It has been barely over a week since The Globe and Mail published this extensive article about the man and the case.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...s-the-making-of-a-mystery-man/article1537412/

I suspect that we'll probably get an update on RW's condition within a week or two..

Perhaps not &#8220;ominous&#8221; but given that the case is of interest, one would think that they would at the very least provide an update &#8220;day such-and-such&#8221; of his hunger strike with some information as to how this is handled from a legal and medical standpoint. It certainly wouldn&#8217;t be the first time the media took the opportunity of a one-liner to create an article. I still find it odd that we are hearing nothing about this.

JMO[/quote]

 

[Sillybilly]

Unless RW is refusing water, he'd be far from death's door yet. He was well-nourished and in great physical condition before he began to refuse food. As long as he's drinking, it could take as long as two months or even a little longer for him to be in grave danger. There would be medical intervention when he reached this stage ...

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If he isn't refusing water which would result in a speedier death, then what could be the purpose of his hunger strike, other than attention-seeking?

Or maybe wiley coyote wants to get sooooooo uber-skinny, he could slither through them bars?

 

[Sillybilly]

... I&#8217;m not so sure that stuffing a toilet paper roll with scraps of tinfoil in it is a convincing suicide attempt...I may need to do a bit more research on it but I have yet to read anything to indicate that this is a successful way to carry out such a task ...

Somewhere earlier in this thread, I posted a link to an article that set out a successful suicide, but IIRC, it was with actual toilet paper, not the roll itself. Can't recall what type of foil RW used (candy wrappers maybe??) .. but if it was sturdy foil, he may have been hoping to painlessly bleed out from an esophageal perforation.

 

[Summersolstice]

It has been said that narcissists lack insight into their own condition. It has been said that all psychopaths are narcissists, but not all narcissists are psychopaths.

And it has also been said that Dr. Robert Hare has retired from teaching at UBC.

For more on SV:

http://narcissism-support.blogspot.com/2009/03/sam-vakin-diagnosed-psychopath.html

See link within the link for the documentary, "I, Psychopath".

Very intriguing link posted in the comments:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...i=_sBfSuC6EY3AqgP1-aEd&q=war+mongering&hl=en#

 

[Summersolstice]

"A tradition" would mean this type of event happens frequently around Tweed:

http://www.quintenews.com/


"Posted 9 hours ago
Tue, Apr 27th, '10 - 7:11 am

The next wave of Canadian soldiers will be making their way from Petawawa this afternoon&#8230;.and, as they do&#8230;.residents of Tweed will be waving flags in support of our troops. In what has become a tradition&#8230;.the members of the Royal Canadian Regiment, 3rd Battalion Battle Group, make one last stop in Tweed before boarding the Kandahar-bound airbus at CFB Trenton. The first platoons shipped out last Friday and other flights are scheduled to leave for Afghanistan over the next few weeks. Their departure schedule was delayed for a week because of the volcanic ash cloud hanging over Europe. The buses are due to arrive in Tweed today at 1 o&#8217;clock."

Was there a parade when the soldiers from Petawawa left in January for training in the U.S. before heading overseas? When were the other parades this year?

 

[pinkeyesucks]

"A tradition" would mean this type of event happens frequently around Tweed:

http://www.quintenews.com/


"Posted 9 hours ago
Tue, Apr 27th, '10 - 7:11 am

The next wave of Canadian soldiers will be making their way from Petawawa this afternoon….and, as they do….residents of Tweed will be waving flags in support of our troops. In what has become a tradition….the members of the Royal Canadian Regiment, 3rd Battalion Battle Group, make one last stop in Tweed before boarding the Kandahar-bound airbus at CFB Trenton. The first platoons shipped out last Friday and other flights are scheduled to leave for Afghanistan over the next few weeks. Their departure schedule was delayed for a week because of the volcanic ash cloud hanging over Europe. The buses are due to arrive in Tweed today at 1 o’clock."

Was there a parade when the soldiers from Petawawa left in January for training in the U.S. before heading overseas? When were the other parades this year?

It's informal- they just stop at the Tim Hortons with the bus, and get some coffee, and local residents (that happen to be around) wave flags as they go past. They don't normally post it in the local papers or anything. Must have been a slow news week and they had to fill a spot! It tends to just happen

 

[Summersolstice]

It's informal- they just stop at the Tim Hortons with the bus, and get some coffee, and local residents (that happen to be around) wave flags as they go past. They don't normally post it in the local papers or anything. Must have been a slow news week and they had to fill a spot! It tends to just happen

Buses and Tim Hortons, again!