GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #3

[Wondergirl]

Andy Lloyd was the only family member of a victim to speak with the media immediately after today’s hearing.

He said the news that Williams intends to plead guilty was welcome because it means family members will be spared the pain of having to sit through a long trial.

However, he also said his family is still waiting for some answers.

“Why, why her? How did all this come about? There are so many questions everybody wants to ask,” Lloyd said.

“I think everybody would like to hear him explain what happened. I’m not looking for an apology. It’s not going to hold its weight in anything.”

There will be one matter to be dealt with before the sentencing hearing. Media representatives will be back in court on Oct. 14 to challenge a ruling that bans the use of electronic devices in the courtroom.

http://www.thespec.com/news/ontario/article/265516--col-russell-williams-to-plead-guilty-to-murders

 

[Wondergirl]

right...I must have missed that in my anger but I did notice they have continued to add to the article as info continues..

I somehow feel that there will be more civil cases to come from the families of the murdered girls.. I agree with Jessica's brother's remark when asked if MEH should be considered a victim..

In my anger I must have missed Andy's remark about MEH? Which article is that in, Macright, I can't find it? I would be curious to know Andy's opinion on this.

 

[antiquegirl]

BBM: I wonder this myself.

MEH rallied to help RW after his suicide attempt????

That speaks volumes to me.

This is the direct quote from the CBC link:

"Since Williams has been in custody, his wife, Mary Elizabeth Harriman, has maintained contact with him and visited him several times in prison, CBC News has learned. She is said to have helped him rally after his reported suicide attempt earlier this year."

(UBM)

I don't know. I choose to take this with a grain of salt. I've been married much longer than MEH and RW and love my husband, but if I were in her shoes, I'd drop him like a hot potato. It's almost impossible for me to believe this at face value and prefer to think that it's a bit of creative journalism. Yes, she visited RW "several" times, but that could have been solely to straighten out the mortgages and other financial details. If she were truly behind him, why has she not spoken out to the media and defended him? I suspect divorce proceedings are merely awaiting the results of the civil lawsuit.

As for trying to get her portion of their joint assets, I don't blame her for that either. Had I worked hard for thirty-odd years, I would feel entitled and deserving of my share of those assets. Most people in their fifties would find the prospect of starting from scratch not an option, regardless of the horrible circumstances. Besides, if MEH were to gain some of those assets, we don't know yet what her intentions will be. It's possible that she will donate some to the families of the victims. At least, I hope she will.

Sorry, unless I hear something more substantial than the above, I'm going to believe that MEH is also a victim (obviously to a lesser extent than the other women more directly affected) and is devastated by everything that has happened. She has always been reported as an intelligent, compassionate, empathetic woman. How could she possibly not despise RW and everything he has done?

JMO

 

[Wondergirl]

New Information regarding the Roadside Check, February 4, 2010, posted today at The Star, FWIW:

It was Thursday, Feb. 4, when the officer sauntered over to the driver’s side window of Williams’ Pathfinder. The colonel identified himself as commander of the Trenton base. A second officer, meanwhile, studied the vehicle. Then the colonel was waved through.

“The officer who was talking to him didn’t suspect him because of who he was,” says an informed source who asked to remain anonymous.

But there was a problem, as investigators were soon to discover. His was the only vehicle to pass through the checkpoint that had tire treads and wheelbase measurements that matched those from a field near Lloyd’s home.

In an instant, investigators saw connections to crimes that had baffled police: A two-year spree of fetish home burglaries in Ottawa, where Williams had a home, and in Tweed, where he had a cottage, and the murder of Comeau, who worked at Williams’ base.

“Everything lit up,” the source said.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/872144--trail-of-crime-finally-leads-to-williams?bn=1

 

[Wondergirl]

New Info, Part 2:

After the tire check in February, police started watching Williams. Three days later, the colonel was in Ottawa when police there asked him to come to the station for a chat.

“I’ll be right there,” he told them.

The colonel had made mistakes, and he was about to make a couple more, perhaps out of arrogance and a growing feeling of invincibility.

He drove to the police station in his Nissan, not bothering to change the tires. And on his feet were boots that police would later determine had treads that matched a partial print left in Comeau’s blood in her basement.

Sitting across from investigators, the colonel had no idea teams of officers were raiding his Ottawa home and Tweed cottage, uncovering piles of damning evidence.

Police at the scenes were feeding back details of what they’d found, in real time, to Williams’ interrogators.

“There are very few search warrants that produce that level of evidence,” said the source. “They had a lot of stuff they could feed back to the interviewer and say, ‘Okay, now we know this.’ ”

Among the evidence: hundreds of pairs of women’s underwear and other lingerie. Also stolen were photographs of the women and in at least one incident, sex toys.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/872144--trail-of-crime-finally-leads-to-williams?bn=1

 

[Wondergirl]

The SOB struck up a relationship with one of his b & e victims' son. I am just seeing red right now at the level of cunning and deception involved with this monster.

In September 2007, Monique Murdoch’s cottage in Tweed, 200 kilometres west of Ottawa, was broken into. It would be the first of 82 fetish break and enters – several of them attempted – in Tweed, Ottawa, Belleville and Brighton.

Murdoch’s next door neighbour was Williams. In 2004, Williams and his wife, Mary Elizabeth Harriman, had bought the cottage at 62 Cosy Cove Lane, a quaint cottage country road where people rarely locked their doors.

“They were always walking hand in hand,” says Murdoch, who has a year-round cottage. “I think he really loved his wife.”

The Murdochs and Williams and Harriman played cards and went ice fishing. Williams, who played the trumpet in high school, struck up a special relationship with Murdoch’s son, who was learning guitar. Murdoch’s home would be broken into two more times.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/872144--trail-of-crime-finally-leads-to-williams?bn=1

 

[Wondergirl]

OMG. OMG. There is so much information in the Toronto Star Article, so sorry for all the posts. This is absolutely devastating to read. Rest in Peace, Marie-France.


On Nov. 24, the burglar came calling at Comeau’s home. This time, she was there. Two days later, her ex-boyfriend called police. They arrived to find her dead in her bed, her naked body almost completely covered by a duvet.

It appeared she’d put up a fight and been badly beaten. She had bruises on her arms, legs and head. There were remnants of tape on her face, suggesting to investigators that her nose and mouth had been covered. There were also wide ligature marks on her wrists, made perhaps by a rope at least a half-inch wide.

In the basement, investigators discovered a T-shirt and a towel, knotted up, near a vertical support beam. Her blood was on the floor, leading investigators to believe that she had been tied to the pole for an “appreciable” period of time. She was penetrated with something. No semen was found.

It appeared she had died by asphyxiation.

The killer slipped into the house through a backyard window, and cleaned up before he left. The tape was gone. The restraints were gone. There was, however, the partial boot print in her blood.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/872144--trail-of-crime-finally-leads-to-williams?bn=1

 

[Wondergirl]

Rest in Peace, dear Jessica. This is truly appalling.

Whether Williams knew why he had been called in to chat with Ottawa police is unclear. As with the military motto for 8 Wing — in omnia paratus — Williams, at least in the early stages of nearly six hours of questioning, seemed “prepared for all things.”

He did not “fold like a deck of cards,” says the source with knowledge of the investigation.

But as information of the evidence being gleaned from the search warrants came in and was put to Williams, he realized he’d been caught.

He confessed, and the next day led police to Lloyd’s body, dumped on a seldom-travelled country road, which happened to be very near a hunt camp used by Williams’ neighbour, Larry Jones. Investigators believe Williams kept Lloyd alive for at least a day , taking her to his Tweed cottage, where she was sexually assaulted, photographed and killed.

“I think both those girls were killed to eliminate witnesses,” says the informed source.
Yesterday, David Russell Williams pleaded guilty to being a sexual predator and serial killer.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/872144--trail-of-crime-finally-leads-to-williams?bn=1

 

[Wondergirl]

Rest in Peace
Marie-France and Jessica
Angels in Heaven​

 

[Macright]

I watched it on the CTV video link..a reporter asked him if he agreed that MEH was also a victim..it is from a link provided futher back today.. I gathered from his response or lack of direct answer that he does not feel MEH is a victim and I agree.

sorry here is the link..the video is on the right side re interview with Jessica's brother..

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/...court_101007/20101007?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

 

[Wondergirl]

I watched it on the CTV video link..a reporter asked him if he agreed that MEH was also a victim..it is from a link provided futher back today.. I gathered from his response or lack of direct answer that he does not feel MEH is a victim and I agree.

sorry here is the link..the video is on the right side re interview with Jessica's brother..

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/...court_101007/20101007?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

Thanks, Macright.

He may have heard some things coming out from the jail, and that is what he is basing his opinion on.

I agree with you and Andy, and I do not see her as a victim, because I think she is supporting him, and nobody in their right mind (who was also a victim), would support him, in my own opinion.

 

[Macright]

Thank you for the link to the Tor Star..again I am gobsmacked..He was a monster in our midst and deserves a cruel punishment for the rest of his life.. I can't understand how Mary Elizabeth could "rally around him"..at that point she had what she wanted......the deed to the house etc.

 

[Wondergirl]

'Books not closed' on Williams, say cops

Ontario Provincial Police Det.-Insp. Chris Nicholas said investigators will continue to comb through open crime files for possible links to Col. Russell Williams.

“Lots of people have been in contact with us. Certainly, the books are not closed on Russ Williams,” Nicholas said outside a Belleville, Ont., courthouse Thursday morning, where Williams' lawyer indicated his client would be pleading guilty.

“We’re certainly looking into any inquiries that come from around the world ... None at this time but we’re working with other police agencies on their unsolved cases,” Nicholas said.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/10/07/15615886.html

 

[Wondergirl]

Victims ask: Why did Col. Williams do it?

Lloyd's brother said he doesn't want an apology, just the truth.

"Why, why her? How did all this come about? There are so many questions everybody wants to ask," Andy Lloyd said outside court.

"I think everybody would like to hear him explain what happened. I'm not looking for an apology. It's not going to hold its weight in anything."

Like many others, Lloyd said he was initially "shocked" that someone in Williams' position of respect and trust had been implicated in his sister's murder.

His mom, Roxanne Lloyd, was in court clutching a photo of her slain daughter.

It was to remind people "that there are victims in this case," Andy Lloyd said.

A spokesman for CFB Trenton declined to comment on Thursday's developments, and the Department of National Defence also said it would not comment.

On the base Williams once commanded, most military members refused to speak.

"I'm glad he did (indicate he'll plead guilty)," said one as he walked by.

http://www.metronews.ca/ottawa/canada/article/656216--victims-ask-why-did-col-williams-do-it--page1

 

[Wondergirl]

Monster

Speaking outside the court, the victim's brother, Andy Lloyd, 30, said his family is glad because a plea will mean court proceedings won't drag on for years, disrupting their lives.

"It's definitely a good thing. Anything that's going to wrap it up quicker for us is a good thing," said Lloyd, 30, who has taken time off work due to anxiety and sleeplessness caused by his sister's death.

"Our goal is to get back to regular life. And now I'm one step closer."

Inside the court, Jessica Lloyd's mother clutched a framed photograph of her daughter as she watched the proceedings. The poignant act was intended to remind people of the victims in the case, said Andy Lloyd. "It's something that my mom wanted to do, actually. Just to kind of not so sensationalize it, so it's all about him. There are victims in this case."

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/07/col-williams-court.html#ixzz11hbaR48S

 

[Wondergirl]

Canadian Forces spokesman Commander Hubert Genest said the military has not yet determined whether the former Trenton base commander will be stripped of his rank.

"What happened today doesn't mean anything," said Genest. "We don't act on intent."


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/07/col-williams-court.html#ixzz11hc3ls3Q

BBM: How insensitive can you be? OMG. It meant alot to so many. Very insensitive.

 

[Wondergirl]

Ontario Provincial Police Det. Insp. Chris Nicholas, an investigator on the Williams' case, said the police force has continued to work with other police agencies on calls about Williams, but no investigations are currently underway.

"There have been enquiries from all over the world regarding this man and where he's been, and there's lots of unsolved cases throughout the world, and certainly we got inquiries to see if he played a role in any of them," he said.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/07/col-williams-court.html#ixzz11hcSsZbl

BBM: WHAT??????????

 

[Wondergirl]

Tweet or not to Tweet — that is Scott's decision

By Jason Miller

The Intelligencer

A Superior Court judge will decide next week if journalists covering the Col. Russell Williams murder case will be allowed to use their electronic texting devices inside the courtroom.

Justice Robert Scott agreed to meet with lawyers representing a number of media outlets on Oct. 14 in an attempt to iron out whether are not the media will be permitted to us their electronic devices to take notes and file updates.

The issue arose Thursday morning after police serving as security inside the Pinnacle Street courthouse asked journalists to turn off their phones or run the risk of being thrown out of the courtroom.

An increasingly irate group of media personnel were later informed that they would also be barred from using laptops to take notes.

http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2790697

 

[antiquegirl]

Canadian Forces spokesman Commander Hubert Genest said the military has not yet determined whether the former Trenton base commander will be stripped of his rank.

"What happened today doesn't mean anything," said Genest. "We don't act on intent."


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/07/col-williams-court.html#ixzz11hc3ls3Q

BBM: How insensitive can you be? OMG. It meant alot to so many. Very insensitive.

I think you misunderstood the Commander. What happened "today" was the revelation that RW intends to plead guilty. He was not referring to the crimes, but to the fact that he can't strip RW of his rank until the guilty plea is an actuality, not just an intent. Presumably, those are the rules.

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

Canadian Forces spokesman Commander Hubert Genest said the military has not yet determined whether the former Trenton base commander will be stripped of his rank.

"What happened today doesn't mean anything," said Genest. "We don't act on intent."


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/07/col-williams-court.html#ixzz11hc3ls3Q

BBM: How insensitive can you be? OMG. It meant alot to so many. Very insensitive.

I think he meant it doesn't mean anything at this point in time WRT RW's status with the military and how they will proceed. The "intent" to plead guilty is only a stated intention and not an absolute formal guilty plea, and they will only make a decision after his plea is entered on October 18th.

JMO

LOL AG ... i see you got there ahead of me