GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #3

[Macright]

http://www.ottawasun.com/news/canada/2010/06/24/14498721.html

 

[Wondergirl]

Accused killer Col. Russell Williams makes brief court appearance


Photograph by: Global TV, WinnipegBELLEVILLE, Ont. — Col. Russell Williams appeared before a judge Thursday morning in a brief hearing here that lasted less than one minute.


The former base commander of CFB Trenton appeared thin and tired and said only six words in the appearance.


The hearing was called at the request of his lawyer, apparently to schedule another hearing date later in July, while he reviews mountains of documents disclosed by authorities.


"Understood. Thank-you," Williams told Justice of the Peace Ernie Parsons.


The accused murderer and sexual predator appeared by video from jail in Napanee, Ont.


Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news...t+appearance/3195579/story.html#ixzz0rmqvIBZS

 

[Wondergirl]

He gave his name, David Russell Williams, and replied, “Understood, thank you,” when Justice of the Peace Ernie Parsons told him the matter was being adjourned to July 22.

On that date the charges “will be spoken to,” an agent representing defence lawyer Michael Edelson told the court.

A few hours after Col. Williams was charged, her body was found in woodland off a lightly travelled country road in Tweed, north of Belleville.

Now he is eating normally and exercising regularly in his cell, where he is under constant scrutiny, a source familiar with his circumstances said. As well, he has been writing letters that appear to be in some kind of code, the source said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/williams-case-adjourned-for-one-month/article1615776/

Bolded by Me: I am not sure if this has been in print before, the part about a few hours after RW was charged, that JL's body was found?

 

[Wondergirl]

He gave his name, David Russell Williams, and replied, “Understood, thank you,” when Justice of the Peace Ernie Parsons told him the matter was being adjourned to July 22.

On that date the charges “will be spoken to,” an agent representing defence lawyer Michael Edelson told the court.

A few hours after Col. Williams was charged, her body was found in woodland off a lightly travelled country road in Tweed, north of Belleville.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1615776/

Bolded by Me: I am not sure if this has been in print before, the part about a few hours after RW was charged, that JL's body was found?

 

[pinkeyesucks]

He gave his name, David Russell Williams, and replied, “Understood, thank you,” when Justice of the Peace Ernie Parsons told him the matter was being adjourned to July 22.

On that date the charges “will be spoken to,” an agent representing defence lawyer Michael Edelson told the court.

A few hours after Col. Williams was charged, her body was found in woodland off a lightly travelled country road in Tweed, north of Belleville.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1615776/

Bolded by Me: I am not sure if this has been in print before, the part about a few hours after RW was charged, that JL's body was found?

This is the closest statement in print I have found, but IMO it pretty much means the same thing. His statement to police went into the evening hours, and it's bloody dark in the boonies

Dated February 9th, 2010,

"Ellis recalled that the community had rallied together in an effort to locate Lloyd, who disappeared on Jan. 28. Her body was found outside Tweed on Monday, a day after police arrested Williams."

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2010/02/09/ottawa-williams-neighbour-shcok.html#ixzz0rn4SvYvh

 

[antiquegirl]

He gave his name, David Russell Williams, and replied, “Understood, thank you,” when Justice of the Peace Ernie Parsons told him the matter was being adjourned to July 22.

On that date the charges “will be spoken to,” an agent representing defence lawyer Michael Edelson told the court.

A few hours after Col. Williams was charged, her body was found in woodland off a lightly travelled country road in Tweed, north of Belleville.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1615776/

Bolded by Me: I am not sure if this has been in print before, the part about a few hours after RW was charged, that JL's body was found?

Accused killer Col. Russell Williams led police to the body of Jessica Lloyd

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/11/williams-murder-charges.html

Her body was discovered in the brush not far from the cottage the same morning the colonel was charged with her murder and that of Cpl. Comeau.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-the-making-of-a-mystery-man/article1537412/\

Col. Russell Williams led police to the body of Jessica Lloyd, one of his alleged victims.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/02/11/12839841-qmi.html

Etc., etc. This was widely reported by all the media.

HTH

 

[antiquegirl]

He gave his name, David Russell Williams, and replied, “Understood, thank you,” when Justice of the Peace Ernie Parsons told him the matter was being adjourned to July 22.

On that date the charges “will be spoken to,” an agent representing defence lawyer Michael Edelson told the court.

A few hours after Col. Williams was charged, her body was found in woodland off a lightly travelled country road in Tweed, north of Belleville.

Now he is eating normally and exercising regularly in his cell, where he is under constant scrutiny, a source familiar with his circumstances said. As well, he has been writing letters that appear to be in some kind of code, the source said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/williams-case-adjourned-for-one-month/article1615776/

Bolded by Me: I am not sure if this has been in print before, the part about a few hours after RW was charged, that JL's body was found?

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Canada - Jessica Lloyd, 27, Belleville, Ontario 01/28/2010 thread #3

 

[Wondergirl]

Accused killer Col. Russell Williams led police to the body of Jessica Lloyd

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/11/williams-murder-charges.html

Her body was discovered in the brush not far from the cottage the same morning the colonel was charged with her murder and that of Cpl. Comeau.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-the-making-of-a-mystery-man/article1537412/\

Col. Russell Williams led police to the body of Jessica Lloyd, one of his alleged victims.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/02/11/12839841-qmi.html

Etc., etc. This was widely reported by all the media.

HTH

Thank-you, Antiquegirl, I appreciate those links.

I guess what I mean is, did RW lead LE to JL's remains himself? If he did, something is amiss here, because he could not have done that if he was interrogated/arrested in Ottawa. Ottawa is more than a few hours from Tweed. The "same morning" and "a few hours" doesn't lead to alot of time. I thought that it was reported that Jessica was found in the early hours of the same day the story broke, which was the Monday? I am a bit confused on the timeline here.

Also, my original quote says "a few hours after he was CHARGED, her body was found". This means LE had enough to CHARGE RW first, BEFORE her body was found.

 

[Macright]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/A...kes+brief+court+appearance/3195595/story.html


at least the Citizen is keeping the charges that this perp is accused of fresh in the minds of people....

 

[antiquegirl]

Thank-you, Antiquegirl, I appreciate those links.

I guess what I mean is, did RW lead LE to JL's remains himself? If he did, something is amiss here, because he could not have done that if he was interrogated/arrested in Ottawa. Ottawa is more than a few hours from Tweed. The "same morning" and "a few hours" doesn't lead to alot of time. I thought that it was reported that Jessica was found in the early hours of the same day the story broke, which was the Monday? I am a bit confused on the timeline here.

Also, my original quote says "a few hours after he was CHARGED, her body was found". This means LE had enough to CHARGE RW first, BEFORE her body was found.

There have been various media versions of the timeline of events, but each has to be taken with a grain of salt. One claimed LE phoned him at his Ottawa home and he went in to headquarters voluntarily that Sunday afternoon. Others state that he was arrested at his home and charged later. Whether the charges were laid late Sunday, or after midnight is unclear.

It was never specifically indicated whether RW led LE to JL's remains in person, or if he just described the location well enough for them to be found rather quickly. However, it's a 2.5 - 3 hour drive from OPP headquarters on Elgin St. in Ottawa to Tweed and could easily be done by car in the time frame indicated - even faster if LE decided to use a helicopter, although that was never mentioned. Guess it all depends how long it took before RW was charged and what time the remains were found.

Given that previous searches for JL were unsuccessful, it seems too much of a coincidence that she was found within hours of RW's arrest. One can only conclude that he either took LE to her remains personally, or gave an accurate description of the site.

JMO

The statements were given to Ontario Provincial Police detectives on Sunday at Ottawa Police headquarters. On Monday, he led police to the body of Jessica Lloyd, one of two women the disgraced colonel is accused of killing.

http://www.globaltoronto.com/world/...r+directed+police+evidence/2555752/story.html

EDIT: Yes, it was reported that he was charged before JL's remains were found. See above for claim that he gave "statements" to the OPP. I read that as a confession.

 

[Pink Panther]

Letters "in code" to who??? What on earth does that mean?

 

[dotr]

I guess appearance is in the eye of the beholder.


The former base commander of CFB Trenton appeared thin and tired

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/A...t+appearance/3195595/story.html#ixzz0roIuoPzP


Williams appeared heaver than in previous video appearances and his previously close-cropped hair was growing out.
http://www.ottawasun.com/news/canada/2010/06/24/14498721.html

 

[Hazel]

Given that previous searches for JL were unsuccessful, it seems too much of a coincidence that she was found within hours of RW's arrest. One can only conclude that he either took LE to her remains personally, or gave an accurate description of the site.

JMO

The statements were given to Ontario Provincial Police detectives on Sunday at Ottawa Police headquarters. On Monday, he led police to the body of Jessica Lloyd, one of two women the disgraced colonel is accused of killing.

http://www.globaltoronto.com/world/...r+directed+police+evidence/2555752/story.html

EDIT: Yes, it was reported that he was charged before JL's remains were found. See above for claim that he gave "statements" to the OPP. I read that as a confession.

RSBM
We discussed this a long time ago, there is also a video clip of the OPP "statements" somewhere in the older threads. Regardiing the 'confession', I don't recall any LE statements that RW confessed or how they came across Jessica's body. It appears as if he confessed, but we are not sure about that yet. I will prefer to wait, and find out through official statements.
There is one other possibility of how they found Jessica's body -- the tire treads -- just saying.
I have not read that Tweed had been thoroughly checked during the original searches, unless someone here knows it was done.

At this point in time, I personally don't feel the need to know the how, when, where, and details of the LE work, and I have the feeling it's RW's lawyers the ones that are more interested in finding 'something' just to try get him off the hook or lesser charges. That is one thing that bothers me about the JUSTICE system. LE works SO HARD to finally get the bad people out of the streets, we should be supporting LE not the criminals. Think of the victims and the victims' families! I do pray that JUSTICE prevails.
As always this is all JMHO

 

[Hazel]

It was never specifically indicated whether RW led LE to JL's remains in person, or if he just described the location well enough for them to be found rather quickly. However, it's a 2.5 - 3 hour drive from OPP headquarters on Elgin St. in Ottawa to Tweed and could easily be done by car in the time frame indicated - even faster if LE decided to use a helicopter, although that was never mentioned. Guess it all depends how long it took before RW was charged and what time the remains were found.

RS&BBM

Would it be in the realms of possibilities, that the OPP officers asking questions/interviewing RW just used a phone, e-mail or other kind of communicating device, to contact other members of the OPP that were closer to Tweed to go look for Jessica's body, while they were on their way there? The helicopter option is also a good possibility.

Also, AFAIK, the headquarters at Elgin St., is not the OPP headquarters, but rather the Ottawa Police Headquarters.
The OPP headquarters is located in Orillia.

Of course, the OPP works together with the local police -- as an aside piece of info, the OPP Offender Transportation Program has one of its units located in Ottawa.
Just wanted to set the record straight, that's all.

PS: I deleted this post by mistake, sorry if I confused someone, LOL (it's way past my bed time, and I hit the edit-delete instead of the quote button *sigh*

 

[pinkeyesucks]

Wondergirl, I'm not sure if you have read all of the previous threads, (that would take a month of Sundays!) but I can tell you personally that LE had Officers and a vehicle in place on Cary Road the Sunday evening, as well as on Cosy Cove Lane.

He was officially charged the Sunday evening, so yes, they had enough to lay the charges before they recovered her remains. If you look into the reported timelines the lengthy statement went into the evening hours. Being February it gets dark early. IMHO it would not be prudent for LE to trample over a crime scene in the dark.

 

[Wondergirl]

Wondergirl, I'm not sure if you have read all of the previous threads, (that would take a month of Sundays!) but I can tell you personally that LE had Officers and a vehicle in place on Cary Road the Sunday evening, as well as on Cosy Cove Lane.

He was officially charged the Sunday evening, so yes, they had enough to lay the charges before they recovered her remains. If you look into the reported timelines the lengthy statement went into the evening hours. Being February it gets dark early. IMHO it would not be prudent for LE to trample over a crime scene in the dark.

Thanks, Pinkeye. I know there is more to the timeline, I just can't quite get it. I am not sure how quickly it was done, but I think LE was ready to arrest RW as soon as the Thursday night of the roadside check, but they did not for some reason. They were still watching the Jones' that weekend, so it seems as if there were parallel investigations going on, to me.

What I wonder, is that if LE was watching the Jones' so closely, why they had not already gone over the hunting property with a fine tooth comb? Perhaps they had, but JL's remains were just off the property line, I am not sure. How would you know where the property line was anyway, unless you had studied the land registry maps or whatever?

 

[Wondergirl]

Another Williams remand

Col. Russ Williams will return to court for a video remand July 22.

Williams, 47, of Tweed and Ottawa made a 57-second appearance in Belleville criminal court Thursday from the Quinte Detention Centre in Napanee, where he has been held since his arrest early last February.

His video remand occurred in spite of more than a month of persistent rumours that he would appear in person -- possibly even before Thursday's assigned date -- and plead guilty.

The downstairs courtroom at the Victoria Avenue courthouse was packed as Justice of the Peace Ernie Parsons presided over a long list of cases to be remanded.
Williams was the first prisoner in the Napanee jail to appear. There was a clear mood of anticipation in the courtroom.

"C'mon in, Russ," a blue-uniformed male guard called before Williams appeared through a doorway. He ambled slowly toward the camera while wearing the standard orange short-sleeved prison jumpsuit.

"Your name, for the record?" said Parsons.

Williams appeared to sigh, moving his mouth in an expression of apparent annoyance.
"David Russell Williams," he said.

The colonel appeared tired, even resigned. His face showed the puffiness of a little weight gained during his time in jail. His brown hair, though still in a brush cut, was slightly longer and looked darker.

Hastings County Crown attorney Lee Burgess and Belleville lawyer Peter Girard -- appearing on behalf of Williams' Ottawa lawyer, Michael Edelson -- asked Parsons to remand Williams until July 22.

Edelson is still reviewing the Crown's disclosure in the case, the lawyers said. He did not return messages Thursday.

Parsons agreed upon the July 22 appearance, then repeated the date to Williams.
"Understood. Thank you," Williams replied in a flat, clipped tone.

He then turned to his left and walked slowly from the room.

His exit sparked the instant departure of at least a third of the court's spectators, who were divided between media -- including two sketch artists -- and the curious.
Williams, a former pilot and Trenton squadron leader, has kept his rank in the Canadian Forces and continues to be paid pending the outcome of his trial, National Defence spokeswoman Carole Brown told The Intelligencer Thursday via e-mail.

"If found guilty, however, a member is obliged to reimburse pay received after the date of the arrest," said Brown.

The military's Director General of Military Careers is conducting an administrative review of Williams.

http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2640264

Have there been any sketches released? I haven't seen any.

 

[Hazel]

Wondergirl, I'm not sure if you have read all of the previous threads, (that would take a month of Sundays!) but I can tell you personally that LE had Officers and a vehicle in place on Cary Road the Sunday evening, as well as on Cosy Cove Lane.

RSBM

Thanks pinkeyesucks,
that's why I didn't want to simply 'conclude' that RW confessed ... there are 2 other possibilities, one I already posted, and the other one, is a combination of both, just my own theories, I have no inside info, just MOO. I'll just patiently wait to the official report to find out which one it was.

 

[Hazel]

Thanks, Pinkeye. I know there is more to the timeline, I just can't quite get it. I am not sure how quickly it was done, but I think LE was ready to arrest RW as soon as the Thursday night of the roadside check, but they did not for some reason. They were still watching the Jones' that weekend, so it seems as if there were parallel investigations going on, to me.

What I wonder, is that if LE was watching the Jones' so closely, why they had not already gone over the hunting property with a fine tooth comb? Perhaps they had, but JL's remains were just off the property line, I am not sure. How would you know where the property line was anyway, unless you had studied the land registry maps or whatever?

Wondergirl, this is JMO, but I don't think LE was ready to arrest RW that Thursday night, right after the roadside check. First of all, I suppose they had to keep checking all other cars like they have been instructed. That will also rule out that there were no other cars traveling that same route, during the same day (Thursday) and same time (evening/night/wee hours morning/early morning) when Jessica went missing exactly one week before.

Also, as Pinkeyesucks already said, in February it gets dark really early, and they probably wanted to match the tire tracks from RW driveway, against the picture they had of the tire tracks on Jessica's driveway, so better wait till daylight.

Also, I imagine LE wanted all the "i"s dotted and "t"s crossed; add to that the high rank of the suspect.

What makes you think LE was still watching the Jones that weekend? Mr. LJ had already been thoroughly investigated a few months back, and he was no longer a suspect.

The article I was looking for no longer exists, but I recall LJ saying they checked his garage and took some of his things. Here are just a few snippets from another article I found:

Jones had been interrogated in the fall as a suspect in the two sexual assaults for which Williams was charged. Jones's name had been cleared.

Late last fall, police hauled Jones into a station in nearby Madoc, Ont., and put him through 3 1/2 hours of questioning. They told him he was a suspect in the two separate sexual assaults and burglaries on his street in September.

"They asked all kinds of things. Did my father beat me, did my mother molest me," he says. "Personal stuff, like what kind of sex do you like.

When the Ontario Provincial Police detective questioning him threatened to dig up the skeletons in his closet, Jones said, "Go ahead, mister. I've had one speeding ticket in my whole life."

Hope this helps,

 

[Hazel]

Letters "in code" to who??? What on earth does that mean?

I'm very curious about that too Pink Panther. Are those letters private, as in he seals the envelopes in front of jail person and that's how we know those are written in code? Or does he handle the open letter(s) for jail people to put in envelope(s)? Is he writing in code to more than one person? Is that even allowed? Oh! how I wish we could be able to try decypher those.
Imagine he has more 'secrets' stashed somewhere, and is telling those addressees where more 'trophies' are hidden so they can destroy evidence!!! Or is he blackmailing someone!! My imagination is just running wild! LOL