GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #6

[matou]

Since the detailed reports about his breakins started 2 years before he was arrested, I wondered if that only meant that he replaced his computer 2 years earlier. I wondered, while reading the book, if there's another flash drive or set of CDs somewhere from an earlier period. It is very difficult to believe that he started 2 years before the murders, especially given how confident he was in spending hours in other people's homes. It's also interesting that he was ready to frame his neighbour for the crimes ... makes me wonder if he did that before as well.

I wonder if he ever paid for prostitutes and played his weirdo games with them and took photos of it. I can see this as part of his escalation, tying up women he paid first and then doing this to unwilling victims as part of his thrill. In a weird way, I can see Williams not wanting his wife to know about the prostitutes, if he used them at all, and asked for this info to not be revealed. Speculation only. I wonder if a sex-trade worker would admit to being paid by Williams and come forward with this info.

 

[Macright]

I'm wondering a bit about that. If his salary went into a joint account during the 8 months leading to trial, and that money disappeared and now has to be taken out of the value of the cottage, then yes ... that's already some monkey business. His income of $12k for 8 months should be taken out of the bank account where it was deposited. If his wife made that money disappear, then she should be responsible for making it reappear.

I somehow doubt that MEH would have removed that money considering by the time he received his first paycheck she would have been aware that he was quilty as sin and would plead likewise ( the rest of the world knew by then) and she knew it would have to be paid back to military. She knew on Feb. 7/10 when he confessed..

 

[otto]

I somehow doubt that MEH would have removed that money considering by the time he received his first paycheck she would have been aware that he was quilty as sin and would plead likewise ( the rest of the world knew by then) and she knew it would have to be paid back to military. She knew on Feb. 7/10 when he confessed..

If that money is available and was repaid out of the account where it was deposited, then a division of the assets would leave Williams with his half of the pension, the $62k she paid him and the cottage. That is probably all that should be available to victims.

 

[Macright]

I wonder if he ever paid for prostitutes and played his weirdo games with them and took photos of it. I can see this as part of his escalation, tying up women he paid first and then doing this to unwilling victims as part of his thrill. In a weird way, I can see Williams not wanting his wife to know about the prostitutes, if he used them at all, and asked for this info to not be revealed. Speculation only. I wonder if a sex-trade worker would admit to being paid by Williams and come forward with this info.

I think most of his activities in this field would have been out of country..he had plenty of opportunity through the years and remember he was senior officer on these flights and flight crews would remain mum and look the other way..close ranks so to speak......

 

[otto]

I wonder if he ever paid for prostitutes and played his weirdo games with them and took photos of it. I can see this as part of his escalation, tying up women he paid first and then doing this to unwilling victims as part of his thrill. In a weird way, I can see Williams not wanting his wife to know about the prostitutes, if he used them at all, and asked for this info to not be revealed. Speculation only. I wonder if a sex-trade worker would admit to being paid by Williams and come forward with this info.

Wouldn't that have happened by now? Someone with that story could write her own book and get off the streets. I can understand why police are so interested in the Japanese girlfriend that abruptly cut off their relationship when Williams was still at University. I wonder if he did something really weird back then already, something that freaked her out enough to sever all contact with him. She's not talking ... but I wonder what she isn't telling.

 

[flipflop]

From what I've been reading in the above posted media MEH is coming across as self absorbed, distant and non sympathetic. Seems to be all about ME h..
ME h..ME h..

I don't beleive she's handling this appropriately and/or is getting/gotten ill advice. :truce:

Self image seems to be what she is worried about, who the hell would care at this point in time what is printed in the media....the worst was already in black and white.

 

[otto]

Self image seems to be what she is worried about, who the hell would care at this point in time what is printed in the media....the worst was already in black and white.

True enough ... but now the entire world knows that there was probably some really weird stuff going on in her marriage. Men don't just start with wearing the neighbour's underwear, they probably start at home ... and he wasn't just wearing it.

 

[Macright]

Self image seems to be what she is worried about, who the hell would care at this point in time what is printed in the media....the worst was already in black and white.

and colour..especially those pictures of his modelling..

 

[otto]

I have to admit that I did not closely follow this case in the beginning, in part because I prefer to read the story at once rather than chase the story as it unfolds. I am absolutely horrified at the level of evil and deception in this man. I have been watching the msn CBC reports from when the case unfolded. People were in absolute shock to realize what Williams was capable of ... I think it was one of his flight instructors that said he literally fell down when he heard the news. Another said it was a lot to recover from.

I fell off the sidewalk once, as I was reading the paper, because on the front page was a huge photo of a friend of mine - pilot that crashed one warm, sunny August day. I was shocked, but nothing like what people who met Williams experienced. What a horror. I suspect people that know him will try to banish all thoughts from their minds, or they will spend hours pondering everything he said, and what lay beneath the surface. The military will march onwards, but those that invited him for dinner, lived next door, trusted him with their children ... they too are victims, as is his wife.

What his wife is doing to maximize her financial assets should stop. She should take her share, and let the victims have his assets.

 

[otto]

In the letters that Williams wrote to his victims, one of them said something about the woman turning her life around. When I read that, it suggested to me that he didn't only torture women physically, but he talked to them the entire time ... he wanted to get into their heads and see what they were experiencing while he was doing what he did. He wanted to know about their lives and weak spots.

I found it interesting that he said that he committed murder because he knew that police would connect Marie-France and the two home invasions where he took photos. Police (I think it was Smyth that connected the dots) must have been horrified to see the escalation from 17 reported underwear thefts to home invasions ... knowing all along that it would end in torture and murder.

When I read that the officer who found the tires to be a perfect match was reluctant to report it because Williams was a colonel from the base; considered above reproach ... I was wondering what would have happened if Williams had been given a pass. He would most likely have continued to frame his neighbour. Police orders were that any tire much must result in immediate surveillance. Another officer talked him into reporting it. Williams was relying on that ... that he would be considered above reproach. I have to also wonder whether William's status in the military gave him the confidence that no one would suspect him so it was safe to take bigger risks.

 

[otto]

I'm sure police held back on making the public aware of the 17 underwear thefts and severity of the home invasions to prevent panic (why else???), but making the public aware would have resulted in vigilance by women and families and it may have stopped someone like Williams from escalating ... but maybe not. Maybe someone like Williams needed to do what he did more than he valued his career ... maybe he thought he was so intelligent, so superior and important that the world was now his playground.

What was it he said during his interrogation ... something like "I don't know how we got here." Whatever it was, it seemed to be more about him being surprised that he was caught than anything else.

 

[otto]

The first victim wasn't taken seriously by police. The second victim gave some credibility to the first victim. The third victim was under his command and it was first considered to be an isolated domestic situation. The fourth victim was a well known and well liked woman in the community who was quickly missed. I'm sure his next victim was to be a child.

He may have chosen someone from his command for his first murder because he knew she would fight back; perhaps gauging his own level for violence. Maybe he was refining his technique. His next victim was compliant. Neither fighting back nor compliance kept them alive. I think he was studying how to keep a victim alive and compliant for as long as he wanted, studying how to sneak a woman to and from his cottage.

I also think that his first victim, who had an infant asleep in the next room, deserves as much compensation as she requires from William's estate. She was at the cabin alone with her child most likely for a very good reason ... I'm guessing something about a quiet refuge to rest. To have that violated removed her sense of ever having a safe haven.

 

[otto]

Forgive my multiple posts ... but I'm trying to figure this out.

 

[Wondergirl]

The actions and statements from MEH and JF., appear to come from the same place.

Whatever the reasoning is behind their beliefs, IMO, it seems really outrageous and unbelievable.

I am sitting on my hands.

 

[Wondergirl]

Another Book Review:

Only two aspects of the book made me cringe. The first is the urge of Appleby and some members of the judiciary, and even some victims, to report the “good side” of the rapist.

.......

The second, and wacky, cringe-maker is Appleby’s insistence that Williams was not a sociopath – not a “person with no empathy or sympathy for the rest of the human race.” .....

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...of-monster-by-timothy-appleby/article1987084/

 

[Wondergirl]

ATV's added to RCMP tire-tread database:

Criminals in rural Canada who prefer making their getaways on all-terrain vehicles may have to start covering their tracks.

A Yukon-based RCMP forensic-identification expert who created a national tire-tread database -- credited last year with helping police nab sex-killer Russell Williams -- has now expanded that database to include tire treads from ATVs.

http://www.canada.com/ATVs+added+RCMP+tire+tread+database/4607260/story.html

 

[otto]

The actions and statements from MEH and JF., appear to come from the same place.

Whatever the reasoning is behind their beliefs, IMO, it seems really outrageous and unbelievable.

I am sitting on my hands.

Who is JF?

 

[otto]

Another Book Review:

"Only two aspects of the book made me cringe. The first is the urge of Appleby and some members of the judiciary, and even some victims, to report the “good side” of the rapist.

.......

The second, and wacky, cringe-maker is Appleby’s insistence that Williams was not a sociopath – not a “person with no empathy or sympathy for the rest of the human race.” .....

I was curious about the suggestion that because Williams offered an aspirin to the woman he bashed in the head, or re-assured the women he later murdered, he was demonstrating empathy ... and was therefore capable of emotion.

I don't believe that for a moment. If someone hits you in the head, and apologizes or genuinely demonstrates empathy, that means they won't do it again ... because you've reached an understanding that it hurts. What Williams does it psychologically sooth his victims while he continues to brutalize them. When they are at their weakest, he pulls out his video camera and records their pleas, or their calm hope that they will be released.

Appleby does seem to be empathizing with the antagonist a bit. If only Williams had left 10 minutes sooner he would not have been caught in the check stop, if only he had murdered the first two women and erased the photograpy angle, if only he had disposed of evidence in the three days between the check stop and the interview. Appleby mentions that Williams walked into the local barber shop every two weeks to listen to the investigation chatter (learned about unmarked police cars in Tweed) ... Williams was framing his neighbour and even raisd his name in the barber shop chatter. Appleby seems to be exploring how Williams could have slipped through the cracks.

 

[otto]

ATV's added to RCMP tire-tread database:

What next ... shoe database ... how about a complete DNA database including missing persons (for comparison to found remains).

 

[Wondergirl]

Who is JF?

RW's best friend, his name is in the book, I am sure. (Jeff)

In one of his final interviews with the media, he stated that he felt RW's medication was the reason for the behaviour, or some such thing. You can find it here on the threads, or in the media links if you look up his name, likely.

It just seems, IMO, MOO, that there are some who still cannot accept RW for what he really, truly is.