GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #6

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  • #681
Oh matou, I almost fell off my chair when I heard Williams' best friend say that!!!!

Like I posted above, I missed the Dateline show last night (watched it this morning online), because I was watching the Fifth Estate instead, and guess what was the title of that documentary?!?!?!?!

The Devil You Know Hate the crime, love the con


http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2010-2011/thedevilyouknow/

BTW, does the Dateline show ended after the stainless steel fridge story? or is there another segment after that?

BBM

I tried to watch the above story "The Devil You Know" & also the Fifth Estate story on Russell Williams.... both said they only show to Canadians... is there another site I can watch them at or am I doing something wrong? TIA

P.S. - I thought the Dateline last nite on Russell Williams was well done. Especially since I just found out about his crimes & am still in the process of reading on it.... it was not a rerun for me ;)
 
  • #682
I thought it was so chilling, during the interrogation, when he was asked how he felt about his victims. if he hated them. And he said ' she was a very nice person' about his latest one. How could someone be so cold and calculating?
 
  • #683
I think it's important to leave the "Colonel" in place, because he was a "Colonel" when he committed these crimes. We can't rewrite history. I'm not just thinking of all the people all over the world who may do internet searches (maybe even those who wonder whether he committed crimes in their countries). No, I'm thinking that if you strip him of his title retroactively, it isn't correct or fair. And I will not be able to call him "Colonel Mustard" any more...
Like me for example, I just discovered this case by watching "Dateline" last night, and although I wasn't sure of his last name, I knew he was a Col. named Russell, so I did a WS search for Col. Russell to find this thread and others...
 
  • #684
I thought it was so chilling, during the interrogation, when he was asked how he felt about his victims. if he hated them. And he said ' she was a very nice person' about his latest one. How could someone be so cold and calculating?

I get the sense, that RW had something personal against MFC and seemed more uncomfortable when questioned about knowing her, than when disclosing his hideous crimes.JMO.
 
  • #685
I get the sense, that RW had something personal against MFC and seemed more uncomfortable when questioned about knowing her, than when disclosing his hideous crimes.JMO.
I'm sure that has something to do with her being his subordinate in the forces. But then, we can also see how his crimes escalated and became more daring over time as he took bigger and bigger chances. He was working towards getting caught.
 
  • #686
I've only scan read as fast as I could (short on time) but here's my quick takes :

Williams concern for what would be the quickest or easiest on his wife when interviewed was really quick thinking concern for 'himself'. He really wanted to know how he could evade the most publicity (embarrassment & shame for himself) which was utmost to him. I believe that he was comforted enough by Jim Smith to believe he could slip through the system expediently enough so as little came out about his embarrassement with the underwear mainly, and could perhaps almost be avoided. So he'd resigned himself to his sentence as much as was possible at the time, then being a very proud man he wanted to lessen the impact to 'himself'. Plead guilty, help the police and go almost directly to jail. Of course it didn't happen like that; everything was brought into the court room and across the country. I think even the very experienced Det Smith may have been surprised by that, but that's just my speculation. Everything was brought up with the reasoning the people needed to know it and have long memories for 25yrs or so ahead.

Next I've always thought Det Smith did an excellent job, but not as exceptional as the publicity. The evidence is what cinched it. Once Williams knew he had no hope, he talked & talked to make it easier on himself - to be co-operative. Perhaps also because he is of course human (regardless of being named a monster, etc) and just maybe, though he showed no emotion, just maybe he needed to 'let it out' just as anyone has that need.

Next I don't think he is the monster he is perpetrated to be. He is a double murderer & sexual deviant who would clearly have murdered again, but I believe that he was also a very mentally sick man, who needed help. He was too proud ever to ask for help and in no position to jeapardise his career with any 'mental' need and probably in extremely strong denial. His dark secret beginning with the stealing and wearing of women's underwear made any hope in his position to seek help impossible. And when people have a deep, dark secret, of course they would rarely seek help (I'm no shrink but some things are pretty obvious).

next I certainly think his multitudes of medications helped make him a walking time bomb. I'm only assuming that was looked into - but have my doubts. No excuse but a constant intake of drugs will effect anybody. With problems, they'd of course exasperate them.

next His 'friend' Jeff Farquhar. I know his brother had something brief to say a long while back and also his step-father (who seemed to like Williams). He said he didn't want his natural father to visit him and his mother is conspicuously quiet. This woman has me scratching my head. So his friend Jeff, an exceptional man in my books, of course doesn't condone his crimes but says he is still his friend and will visit him. Kudos to Jeff. One person, just one person I know of, will visit Williams in prison. The reason I'm happy about that are two fold - Nobody can throw stones too quickly. Dreadful crimes have been committed, but clearly to me, Russell Williams is a very sick man. One person will stand by him. One loyal person. And if he is sick, as I repeat, I believe, then one straw of human kindness will be reached out to him. Even if he rejects the visits out of shame. I'm basically cynical, but I do believe that "there, but for the grace of God, go I" - I have an adult son.

... Sorry if nothing is readable, as said, I'm really rushing.
 
  • #687
next I certainly think his multitudes of medications helped make him a walking time bomb. I'm only assuming that was looked into - but have my doubts. No excuse but a constant intake of drugs will effect anybody. With problems, they'd of course exasperate them.

Yes, do we have any hard facts on what medication he was taking? One would think that someone loaded with all kinds of drugs should not be a Pilot In Command of an aircraft with passengers.
 
  • #688
I get the sense, that RW had something personal against MFC and seemed more uncomfortable when questioned about knowing her, than when disclosing his hideous crimes.JMO.

Yes, you are onto something there, Dotr.

He was asked why MFC wrote in her journal/blackberry (can't remember which) about him, and he deflected the question.

I think there was a little more there.

In fact, I think there was a little more there with all his victims.
 
  • #689
I've only scan read as fast as I could (short on time) but here's my quick takes :

Williams concern for what would be the quickest or easiest on his wife when interviewed was really quick thinking concern for 'himself'. He really wanted to know how he could evade the most publicity (embarrassment & shame for himself) which was utmost to him. I believe that he was comforted enough by Jim Smith to believe he could slip through the system expediently enough so as little came out about his embarrassement with the underwear mainly, and could perhaps almost be avoided. So he'd resigned himself to his sentence as much as was possible at the time, then being a very proud man he wanted to lessen the impact to 'himself'. Plead guilty, help the police and go almost directly to jail. Of course it didn't happen like that; everything was brought into the court room and across the country. I think even the very experienced Det Smith may have been surprised by that, but that's just my speculation. Everything was brought up with the reasoning the people needed to know it and have long memories for 25yrs or so ahead.

Next I've always thought Det Smith did an excellent job, but not as exceptional as the publicity. The evidence is what cinched it. Once Williams knew he had no hope, he talked & talked to make it easier on himself - to be co-operative. Perhaps also because he is of course human (regardless of being named a monster, etc) and just maybe, though he showed no emotion, just maybe he needed to 'let it out' just as anyone has that need.

Next I don't think he is the monster he is perpetrated to be. He is a double murderer & sexual deviant who would clearly have murdered again, but I believe that he was also a very mentally sick man, who needed help. He was too proud ever to ask for help and in no position to jeapardise his career with any 'mental' need and probably in extremely strong denial. His dark secret beginning with the stealing and wearing of women's underwear made any hope in his position to seek help impossible. And when people have a deep, dark secret, of course they would rarely seek help (I'm no shrink but some things are pretty obvious).

next I certainly think his multitudes of medications helped make him a walking time bomb. I'm only assuming that was looked into - but have my doubts. No excuse but a constant intake of drugs will effect anybody. With problems, they'd of course exasperate them.

next His 'friend' Jeff Farquhar. I know his brother had something brief to say a long while back and also his step-father (who seemed to like Williams). He said he didn't want his natural father to visit him and his mother is conspicuously quiet. This woman has me scratching my head. So his friend Jeff, an exceptional man in my books, of course doesn't condone his crimes but says he is still his friend and will visit him. Kudos to Jeff. One person, just one person I know of, will visit Williams in prison. The reason I'm happy about that are two fold - Nobody can throw stones too quickly. Dreadful crimes have been committed, but clearly to me, Russell Williams is a very sick man. One person will stand by him. One loyal person. And if he is sick, as I repeat, I believe, then one straw of human kindness will be reached out to him. Even if he rejects the visits out of shame. I'm basically cynical, but I do believe that "there, but for the grace of God, go I" - I have an adult son.

... Sorry if nothing is readable, as said, I'm really rushing.

I agree with some of the points you make here.

But the things bolded above, I cannot agree with.

Russell Williams did not offer a straw of human kindess to the "nice girl" he murdered, the one who happily thought she was finally ending the torture to which she had been subjected to for 20+ hours, when he bashed her in the head with a maglight, strangled her to death, and left her in his garage.

Nor did he offer a straw of human kindness to the woman who so wanted to live, the one who begged it of him, as he murdered her, and then wrote a letter of condolence to her father.

Set aside the tens of thousands of victims, so victimized and betrayed by this monster, including the friend, JF, that you speak of, there was never a thought for anyone but himself.

Sick, yes, a monster, yes. Deserving of one utterance of compassion or forgiveness, no. Not in my opinion.

I felt sorry for JF, after The Fifth Estate interview and other news interviews. I felt him to be a victim, and obviously tormented himself, by the betrayal he felt.

But now, for him to be offering some sort of excuse for his friends actions, like medication etc., is both ridiculous and sad. He obviously cannot believe that the man he chose as a close friend all those years, was not at all the man he thought. But he better get his head around it, because he was, it is disgusting and appalling.

MOO
 
  • #690
Yes,I was reminded of the Jeffrey Dahlmer case, whereby he admitted to all his crimes, but was indignant when asked if he stole money from any of his victims.Yet family members of some of his victims insisted that the murdered men did in fact, have alot of money on their person when they disappeared - and they were certain JD stole it.
I guess the point being, that in some strange sense of personal honour, the old saying "honour among thieves"is perverted into honour among murderers...
 
  • #691
From canadianlawyermag.com:
Among the evidence tendered was part of the 10.5-hour-long interrogation video of Williams, in which he confesses. Don Stuart, a professor at Queen’s University’s law school in Kingston, Ont., and a leading authority on criminal law and procedure, believes that was a public relations exercise. “In some respect, that was also completely irrelevant and that could have been preserved without showing it,” says Stuart. “People sit back and say that was a brilliant interrogation, not really. They had the evidence already to inculpate him, so they got some rapport with him and tried to find out where his weak spot was and then confronted him with the incriminating evidence and he coughed it all up.”

Stuart notes there was no lying or deception on the part of the police interrogator. “Under the rules of interrogation that we’ve got set up by the Supreme Court, police are encouraged to lie and talk about non-existing evidence and there’s no right to counsel present or to be considered,” he says. “Many of us are saying that the Charter of Rights and judicial controls on police interrogation are woefully weak in Canada so in that respect it was a PR job because it sort of depicted that all police interrogations are as civilized as that, they’re not.”
from link above

Interesting take on Jim Smyth's excellent interrogation of Williams (although I'm sure Smyth would humbly say that he "was just doing his job").

I think the implication here by Stuart is that if the detectives are confident that they have enough evidence that they can convict without having to lie or mislead during an interrogation then they will play "good cop" to get a confession. If they aren't confident enough, and don't think they will get a confession, then they will resort to deceptive tactics if need be. Interesting that our laws here in Canada allow that.

The interrogation was discussed on page 20 of this thread. I still think that although Symth's questioning of RW was very competent, it wasn't exactly "brilliant." I might even agree that this interrogation was done more for PR purposes than anything else.
 
  • #692
I was very surprised when William's best friend said he still loves him but does not love what he did. That was a big 'wow' moment for me.

Yeah, that got me too. The friend is definitely part of RW's collateral damage. He's having a tough time coming to terms with this horror, and I feel for him. Imagine what RW's wife (now ex-wife) is going through.
 
  • #693
I agree with some of the points you make here.

But the things bolded above, I cannot agree with.

Russell Williams did not offer a straw of human kindess to the "nice girl" he murdered, the one who happily thought she was finally ending the torture to which she had been subjected to for 20+ hours, when he bashed her in the head with a maglight, strangled her to death, and left her in his garage.

Nor did he offer a straw of human kindness to the woman who so wanted to live, the one who begged it of him, as he murdered her, and then wrote a letter of condolence to her father.

Set aside the tens of thousands of victims, so victimized and betrayed by this monster, including the friend, JF, that you speak of, there was never a thought for anyone but himself.

Sick, yes, a monster, yes. Deserving of one utterance of compassion or forgiveness, no. Not in my opinion.

I felt sorry for JF, after The Fifth Estate interview and other news interviews. I felt him to be a victim, and obviously tormented himself, by the betrayal he felt.

But now, for him to be offering some sort of excuse for his friends actions, like medication etc., is both ridiculous and sad. He obviously cannot believe that the man he chose as a close friend all those years, was not at all the man he thought. But he better get his head around it, because he was, it is disgusting and appalling.

MOO
I have to say I absolutely agree with you Wondergirl!!!

How is it possible someone can even consider looking for an excuse for RW's actions?

Mental illness? For crying out loud! RW knew perfectly well the difference between right and wrong, he enjoyed every bit of what he did, he took photographs and video-taped, so he can relive those moments. He kept trophies. He planned, he went to their houses days before, he went back. He is a Monster, make no mistake.

It is scary to think that 25 years down the road, people are going to be looking for 'excuses' for his actions. Only a few months have passed, and we already see people thinking that perhaps the "medications" are to blame????

Do these people need to watch the video tapes and look at every single one of the disgusting thousands of photographs he took, to be convinced?

Are these people lacking on "empathy"? Can't they imagine the horror, the pain these poor girls went through? Can't they imagine/feel the pain their families, friends and everyone who knew and loved them had to endure? What would it take for people with no empathy to be more compassionate? I fear that these type of people will even be insensitized if they watched those horrific video tapes... I believe you either are born with empathy or you are not, and by that kind of thinking/comments we can get to know who are the ones lacking on it! Makes me wonder if those people would feel the same if Jessica or Marie France was their daughter/sister/girlfriend/friend/grandchild.

If Jeff hates the crimes committed by the "thing" he called 'friend' all those years, he should feel betrayed and disgusted at this ...person.
Nobody made him do it, no medication made him do it. He did it, period! He wanted to do it, no doubt about it, and he would have continue doing it if he was not caught. And the theory that he wanted to get caught, is just ABSOLUTELY WRONG! In the interview video we can clearly see those silences, it is obvious he was recriminating himself for having been so stupid as to not think of bootprints and tire tracks. And to drive the pathfinder and wear the same boot to the LE station!

He was most probably thinking 'darn, how could I (Mr. Mastermind) have missed that" and "darn, how can I get out of this one" then when he saw he was trapped, he wanted to know exactly what it was they had against him, and that gave me the feeling there is more, and he wanted to settle it right there and then because of that, not because he cares for his wife. Had he really loved her, he would have been a happy man, not fantasising/looking at other women.
All JMHO.

RW did NOT feel any compassion towards any of his victims and families. If Jeff actually goes visit him in jail, then he doesn't mind being in the presence of EVIL, and that would be sad to watch. Same goes to the one who we cannot talk about. I really hope that Jeff will have someone open his eyes, and see the 'real thing' behind the mask, and also hope the real 'reason' for his potential visit, is not monetary, like in a book he wants to write. I pray he realizes they are re-victimizing the victims and their families by even considering that RW is not 100 percent responsible for his actions.

ETA: Just wanted to add apologies if I haven't worded things correctly, not attacking anyone, but the suggestion of RW being a victim himself, either of mental illness or medication ...I feel the simply suggestion is an insult to our intelligence.
 
  • #694
From canadianlawyermag.com:


The interrogation was discussed on page 20 of this thread. I still think that although Symth's questioning of RW was very competent, it wasn't exactly "brilliant." I might even agree that this interrogation was done more for PR purposes than anything else.
I thought it was BRILLIANT! And not only Det. Smyth, but the whole OPP. They made sure all their "T"s were crossed and the 'i"s dotted. Kudos to them all!!!!!
RW was treated nicely, he could not even claim he was forced into a confession.

His wife hired the best lawyer money can buy, BUT not even Mr. E could do much for him. Now don't ask me why his wife got him the best lawyer, the one who specializes in the lost causes cases.... the one we know is very capable to turn things around. So why did she want RW to have the best representation?
I cannot answer that, cause I simply DO NOT KNOW, DO NOT UNDERSTAND, so it would be nice if someone can help me understand, can give their opinion as to why.
It is a real puzzler.
 
  • #695
Well stated! Just one thing I have been wondering - If RW wore his boots on purpose to the interview, as a smug way to hide evidence in" plain sight", just in case LE searched his house?
 
  • #696
Well stated! Just one thing I have been wondering - If RW wore his boots on purpose to the interview, as a smug way to hide evidence in" plain sight", just in case LE searched his house?
Possibly he was so arrogant he thought he could get away with it. He thought he was smarter than everyone else, and with his position thought no one would have the audacity to confront him. He had been getting away with it for so long and thought this would continue. He was also a risk taker and probably got off on the thought that he was "testing" to see if they could catch him. Some of the mistakes he made seemed too obvious for him to miss, or perhaps he himself knew he was being a little careless but let it go to enhance the thrill of it.
 
  • #697
I've only scan read as fast as I could (short on time) but here's my quick takes :

Williams concern for what would be the quickest or easiest on his wife when interviewed was really quick thinking concern for 'himself'. He really wanted to know how he could evade the most publicity (embarrassment & shame for himself) which was utmost to him. I believe that he was comforted enough by Jim Smith to believe he could slip through the system expediently enough so as little came out about his embarrassement with the underwear mainly, and could perhaps almost be avoided. So he'd resigned himself to his sentence as much as was possible at the time, then being a very proud man he wanted to lessen the impact to 'himself'. Plead guilty, help the police and go almost directly to jail. Of course it didn't happen like that; everything was brought into the court room and across the country. I think even the very experienced Det Smith may have been surprised by that, but that's just my speculation. Everything was brought up with the reasoning the people needed to know it and have long memories for 25yrs or so ahead.

Next I've always thought Det Smith did an excellent job, but not as exceptional as the publicity. The evidence is what cinched it. Once Williams knew he had no hope, he talked & talked to make it easier on himself - to be co-operative. Perhaps also because he is of course human (regardless of being named a monster, etc) and just maybe, though he showed no emotion, just maybe he needed to 'let it out' just as anyone has that need.

Next I don't think he is the monster he is perpetrated to be. He is a double murderer & sexual deviant who would clearly have murdered again, but I believe that he was also a very mentally sick man, who needed help. He was too proud ever to ask for help and in no position to jeapardise his career with any 'mental' need and probably in extremely strong denial. His dark secret beginning with the stealing and wearing of women's underwear made any hope in his position to seek help impossible. And when people have a deep, dark secret, of course they would rarely seek help (I'm no shrink but some things are pretty obvious).

next I certainly think his multitudes of medications helped make him a walking time bomb. I'm only assuming that was looked into - but have my doubts. No excuse but a constant intake of drugs will effect anybody. With problems, they'd of course exasperate them.

next His 'friend' Jeff Farquhar. I know his brother had something brief to say a long while back and also his step-father (who seemed to like Williams). He said he didn't want his natural father to visit him and his mother is conspicuously quiet. This woman has me scratching my head. So his friend Jeff, an exceptional man in my books, of course doesn't condone his crimes but says he is still his friend and will visit him. Kudos to Jeff. One person, just one person I know of, will visit Williams in prison. The reason I'm happy about that are two fold - Nobody can throw stones too quickly. Dreadful crimes have been committed, but clearly to me, Russell Williams is a very sick man. One person will stand by him. One loyal person. And if he is sick, as I repeat, I believe, then one straw of human kindness will be reached out to him. Even if he rejects the visits out of shame. I'm basically cynical, but I do believe that "there, but for the grace of God, go I" - I have an adult son.

... Sorry if nothing is readable, as said, I'm really rushing.



I too agree with some of your points. I also believe that Williams was not really expressing concern about his wife. He knew he had to pretend to show at least some concern for somebody to make himself look less a monster than he really is. It was all about perception.

And Smyth and Williams knew that Smyth would soon have enough evidence to put Williams away for life, so that made it easier for Williams to pre-empt the coming onslaught and take control by confessing everything.

However, I do not think the amount of medications he took would have triggered his murderous rampages. Many people take far greater quantities of much more debilitating meds than him and never fantasize about murder, let alone actually kill innocent people. Williams even told one of his sexual assault victims that he had to do this so that he could move on. He was quite aware of the next step he was taking and at that point, when contemplating murder, and running an air force base, he had the presence of mind to get help at all or any cost. Including leaving his job, let alone jeopardize his career if need be.

I think his friend Jeff F. simply cannot admit to himself that he really did not know Williams as well as he thought he did. He cannot accept that he was wrong about Williams and is in denial in order to protect himself from the harsh reality of the monster that his friend is. I am sure he is blaming himself for not seeing this earlier.

Jeff F. should not visit Williams in jail and give support to this person. Williams should be dead right now. He took innocent lives. His life for an innocent life is not an even trade. He should die a thousand painful deaths. In cases like this Canada should have the death penalty and be quick about it. Williams was not kind to his victims and the enormity of what he did has no comparison to throwing stones and glass houses.

I do not mean to offend you, I can tell you are a very caring person, and I am also very liberal in my views, but in my opinion, there can be no redemption for a person like this. He is simply too far gone.
 
  • #698
To Jayfriend - I did know the name of one drug and did a little googling on it but that's long gone now. I agree re his drugs & flying. Without the info and whether or not he had authority, I'm in the dark same as you.

To Wondergirl Hazel and Francine,

Of course yes, Williams didn't offer a shred of a straw to the women he murdered or his many other victims. I didn't see The Fifth Estate (unaccessible in Oz) but I saw him speaking from what looked like his apartment, as an add-on, on Dateline.

About me showing some empathy for Williams (which I did). You know, I was always the one who typed up as you have, and particularly you Hazel. I was always the one who was furious with people who show empathy for criminals of almost any kind. Premeditating murderer sympathisers had no room in my mind for any understanding. I almost could have written what you wrote myself.

I'm agreeing, because of course you're right. I know how I would feel if one of his victims would have been one of my nieces. Someone I know. I do go over how we know they would have suffered. I do go over his ruthlessness, his undermining their lives as nothing, zilch. Lives sacrificed so he wouldn't be caught and then filmed for 'himself' later. All for his own pleasure. All for himself.

So now I'm questionning myself. Because Williams fits no other pattern to me, and because I have become so familiar with him. It seems I'm trying to see some good in a person who probably has almost nothing to redeem them. 'Almost' is something I've reserved for Williams and that's what I'm asking myself - why?

Regarding capital punishment. I was a hardliner for that as well but changed my mind completely when I read how many releases of innocent prisoners, many on death row have occurred since DNA. Now it's a question of money for many of them. Apparently it's expensive to request. So to me, one innnocent man killed by the state is too many.

Also, surely nobody thinks that killing Williams wouldn't be doing him a favour. Every day he's in hell, killing him would be putting him out of his misery. That's something a more compassionate person could agree with perhaps. There was a movie "they kill horses don't they". Much along the lines of killing is a mercy sometimes.

re Jeff Farquhar, I'm hanging in there. Whether he's in denial, looking for excuses or whatever the reasons. The thought that a loyal friend is there, remembers some good maybe and wants to follow it up, doesn't go amiss with me. I like what I saw about that man very much. That Williams may feel absolutely nothing is beside the point with me. Jeff does. From extreme bad to really good is a contrast that appeals to me.

I really don't think who visits Williams would affect the victims families too much. Perhaps stating it on TV would, yes, but maybe that's something Jeff needed to do. Some people are just that loyal. They wish for good and maybe he needed to spread that wish of his. So be it.

Meanwhile, I'll deeply review my own thinking on Williams. The man is a ruthless killer.
 
  • #699
<Edit above>

Sorry, I can't find the edit button.

"Of course yes, Williams didn't offer a shred of a straw to the women he murdered or his many other victims. I didn't see The Fifth Estate (unaccessible in Oz) but I saw him speaking from what looked like his apartment, as an add-on, on Dateline."

I meant I didn't see 'Jeff Farquhar' on The Fifth Estate etc.

Also I thought I'd have another look at Dateline (watching it now) it's in segments and this time more segments have come up... very interesting.
 
  • #700
Possibly he was so arrogant he thought he could get away with it. He thought he was smarter than everyone else, and with his position thought no one would have the audacity to confront him. He had been getting away with it for so long and thought this would continue. He was also a risk taker and probably got off on the thought that he was "testing" to see if they could catch him. Some of the mistakes he made seemed too obvious for him to miss, or perhaps he himself knew he was being a little careless but let it go to enhance the thrill of it.

Great post upthread, Hazel, well said.

Francine, he HAD been getting away with it for so long.

How many times did he go to that field outside Ottawa to burn evidence, anyway?

How many times had he purged himself of his meticulous records, to start new again?

Hopefully Operation Redwing and the continuing investigation by LE will provide us the answers. Until then, we wait.
 
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