GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #6

[Jess]

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110308/williams-fine-victims-110308/


. 8 2011 5:56 PM ET

A collection agency is going after disgraced former air force colonel Russell Williams because he hasn't paid thousands of dollars to a victims of crime fund, CTV Ottawa has learned.

As part of his conviction for the murders and rapes of two Ontario women, as well as two other sexual assaults and numerous break-ins, Williams was ordered to pay $8,000 in victims surcharge fines.

But Williams has not paid the fine, despite having a generous military pension of about $60,000 a year.

"This is an individual, who unlike a lot of offenders, who has a pension, who has resources to actually pay," Steve Sullivan, the executive director of Ottawa Victims Services, said.

"When offenders choose not to pay, I guess we all have to question whether or not they really are remorseful."

 

[Wondergirl]

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110308/williams-fine-victims-110308/


. 8 2011 5:56 PM ET

A collection agency is going after disgraced former air force colonel Russell Williams because he hasn't paid thousands of dollars to a victims of crime fund, CTV Ottawa has learned.

As part of his conviction for the murders and rapes of two Ontario women, as well as two other sexual assaults and numerous break-ins, Williams was ordered to pay $8,000 in victims surcharge fines.

But Williams has not paid the fine, despite having a generous military pension of about $60,000 a year.

"This is an individual, who unlike a lot of offenders, who has a pension, who has resources to actually pay," Steve Sullivan, the executive director of Ottawa Victims Services, said.

"When offenders choose not to pay, I guess we all have to question whether or not they really are remorseful."

Thanks for the link, Jess.

BBM: I am hoping that $8,000 is not ALL RW has to pay. Is this PER MONTH or what????

If $8,000 is all he has to pay, that is pathetic.

FWIW, I don't think there is any question as to whether he is remorseful to what he has done.

The only remorse lies in the fact that he got caught, and he cannot continue.

A statement from a spokesperson for Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said further details on victim surcharge fines will be announced in due course.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110308/williams-fine-victims-110308/

 

[nobodyzgirl]

Thanks for the link, Jess.

BBM: I am hoping that $8,000 is not ALL RW has to pay. Is this PER MONTH or what????

If $8,000 is all he has to pay, that is pathetic.
FWIW, I don't think there is any question as to whether he is remorseful to what he has done.

The only remorse lies in the fact that he got caught, and he cannot continue.

It's a one time payment of $8,000. The amount of the surcharge determined at sentencing varies depending on the offence. In RW's case he would have been charged $100 for each indictable offence.

 

[maxfactor]

I wasn't sure where to post this, it really makes me sick. This shows the mindset of most of theses sicko's. What about the pain and suffering they caused their victims?

Offender Betesch (sic) wants a transfer to the East Coast (Dorchester) or Bath Institution, but out of Warworth. Please be advised already has request for transfer in for Dorchester. Betesch can not go to Bath but knows this. Offender claims he is refusing his meals and now his insulin and will do so until next week. He says will then begin eating his normal rations but will refuse his insulin and thus will bring on kidney failure. Once that happens the offender advised that it will cost CSC $2000 per day to treat him and they will feel the pain and suffering they have caused him.

http://www.cancrime.com/2011/03/07/infamous-child-killer-saul-betesh-makes-bizarre-threat/#more-3436

 

[dotr]

Boohoo.Funny how those types seem to have a bottomless pit for self pity, but none for the poor victims (in this case a 12 year old boy) and their devastated families.
He talks about how much it is going to cost the system if he does not take his lifesaving medicine, I wonder how much the system would save if he checked out!

 

[Sillybilly]

... I guess the supposedly excessive debilitating meds he was taking at the time did not affect his ability to plan ahead and bring down someone else for his heinous crimes all that much!

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I agree Francine ... I don't think meds played any role whatsoever in his crimes. He was able to compartmentalize his personal and professional life so swiftly, precisely, and cleanly, that I firmly believe he was in control of his mind and body at all times.

 

[Hazel]

more about the discussion regarding social media tools like Twitter and Facebook on Canadian courtrooms.

IMHO, it all played out really well in the R.W. case; I thought the Judge made a good decision, the case merited it - there was absolutely no doubt he was guilty, and there were no jury involved. (MOO)

I have to agree, however, that those tools wont be a very good idea in ALL cases, specially not in the ones that involve juries, JMHO.
Also IMHO, 'the accused', judges, juries (obviously), witnesses and anyone giving a testimony, etc., shouldn't have access to these tools during court proceedings. I mean, isn't that just common sense? ! ? ! ?
I am saying this because of the next quote from the article:

"I had a case recently in Brampton where a witness who was about to be called by the prosecution was sitting in the corridor on his Facebook account on a cellphone, changing his status and threatening the accused from the courtroom outside," he said [John Struthers, a director of the Criminal Lawyers' Association].

Ontario's AG calls for debate on social media in courts (long article)

http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110317/OTT_Court_Twitter_110317/20110317/?hub=OttawaHome

 

[dotr]

I missed this editorial explaining why the comments section was disabled.
Very curious which cases are being developed...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunit...-stories-related-to-col-russell-williams.html
Why did we arrive at this particular decision?

In this case, there were two distinct reasons.

One is that the story of Col. Williams continues to develop and is now part of an ongoing police investigation.

By allowing comments on crime or justice stories we run a risk of allowing something to be published that might break the law or cause serious harm to people involved in the story.

Our other concern was the tone and civility of the discussion.

 

[Hazel]

I missed this editorial explaining why the comments section was disabled.
Very curious which cases are being developed...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunit...-stories-related-to-col-russell-williams.html
Why did we arrive at this particular decision?

In this case, there were two distinct reasons.

One is that the story of Col. Williams continues to develop and is now part of an ongoing police investigation.

By allowing comments on crime or justice stories we run a risk of allowing something to be published that might break the law or cause serious harm to people involved in the story.

Our other concern was the tone and civility of the discussion.

Thanks dotr, that editorial is dated Feb. 12, 2010 (more than a year ago) .... Are 'comments' still closed now that RW has been sentenced?

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I remember that editorial being discussed here at WS : http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5333130#post5333130

 

[dotr]

Thanks Hazel, I had forgotten about that, I just got all excited reading the part about cases being developed...

 

[Hazel]

Thanks Hazel, I had forgotten about that, I just got all excited reading the part about cases being developed...

that's why I asked if the Comments section is still closed.

 

[Hazel]

THIS JUST IN ! (minutes ago) haven't read it yet myself

Russell Williams' wife ordered to hand over property contract


Last Updated: March 22, 2011 8:26pm

OTTAWA &#8211; The wife of sex killer Russell Williams has been ordered to hand over a document outlining property and assets he transferred to her within weeks of his arrest.

Judge Jennifer Mackinnon's ruling was a small victory for media lawyers who are seeking to ensure Mary Elizabeth Harriman cannot shroud her planned divorce in secrecy.

Harriman's lawyers will argue Thursday that her divorce file should be sealed or placed under a publication ban.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/03/22/17719246.html

 

[Hazel]

Judge: Russell Williams&#8217; wife must disclose contract transferring marital assets

By Andrew Seymour, Ottawa Citizen March 22, 2011 6:02 PM

For now, the document can be seen only by lawyers representing the Citizen and other media.

The order was made in advance of a Thursday hearing where lawyers representing Mary Elizabeth Harriman and several media organizations are set to argue whether her divorce proceedings should be subject to a complete sealing order or sweeping publication ban that would prevent the reporting of any details of the divorce.

During a hearing seeking access to the domestic contract Tuesday, Citizen lawyer Richard Dearden argued the domestic contract may contain details of Williams&#8217; transferring portions of his military pension to Harriman and is of a &#8220;significant&#8221; public interest.

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&#8220;There&#8217;s a public interest out there in knowing what former colonel Williams did with his assets six weeks after being charged,&#8221; said Dearden. &#8220;What&#8217;s so secret? What are they afraid the public might learn?&#8221;

Dearden argued Harriman and Williams want &#8220;100-per-cent secrecy.&#8221;

A sealing order or publication ban would not be in the public interest but in the private interest of Harriman and Williams, Dearden argued, which &#8220;offends&#8221; the constitutionally protected rights of the freedom of the press and the open-court principle. Divorce proceedings are usually public.

Read more (good article) : http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Judge+Russell+Williams+wife+must+disclose+contract+transferring+marital/4485873/story.html

 

[dotr]

Thanks for the heads up on that one Hazel, I am speechless!

 

[Crosby87]

Sex Killer's Wife Wants Divorce Sealed -

http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/cp-article.aspx?cp-documentid=28117845

 

[Hazel]

Williams's wife wants divorce records sealed
Wants sealing or publication ban of financial, medical records in divorce proceedings

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Justice Jennifer MacKinnon has imposed a publication ban on specifics of Harriman&#8217;s medical records and a domestic agreement Williams signed weeks after he was charged.
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Williams's second sexual assault victim is also in negotiations with lawyers over a potential lawsuit or settlement.

The judge said she will not lift the publication ban on the medical and financial evidence until after she&#8217;s ruled on whether to seal the couples' records.

read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2011/03/24/ottawa-williams-divorce.html

 

[dotr]

Sexual desires out of control - blamed on drug for Parkinsons..
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2011/03/24/17740186.html
The Daily Mail previously reported that Peter Shepherd, a British IT manager, underwent a similarly dramatic personality change in 2001 when he began taking another kind of Parkinson's medication. In that case, Shepherd became a sex-crazed transvestite and spent more than $600,000 on a "luxury lifestyle."

 

[Wondergirl]

Williams' wife not entitled to 'private justice'​

Divorce case should be open, media outlets argue​

"The interest can't be specific to Ms. Harriman and former colonel Williams," argued Dearden, who is also representing CTV, the CBC and Global Television.​

"There is a presumptive right of openness in matrimonial proceedings," said Dearden. "Why should this couple be treated differently than any other in this province?" ​

"I know that my client has been the victim of really unparalleled media attention that has been really harmful to her," said Binks outside of court, adding that in almost four decades of practising law she had never seen a client more in need of a divorce.

The "taint" of Harriman's marriage to Williams has caused "great harm to her," Binks added. ​

"She is truly a victim of former colonel Williams," said Binks, who argued in court that the public interest lies in protecting her confidentiality going into the future. ​

Dearden disagreed with that conclusion when asked in court by Ontario Superior Court Justice Jennifer Mackinnon.

Based on evidence that is subject to a non-publication ban, "she is not a victim of what her husband did," Dearden told the judge. "Is she devastated by what he did? Of course. But she is not a victim. The victims are the two women he murdered and the two he sexually assaulted."


http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/W...vate+justice/4500822/story.html#ixzz1Hkhigh21​

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[Hazel]

from video clip

(around the 02:05 mark)
Reporter answers: "Well you know, media lawyers are saying this is huge for the public; that down the road, if these financial statements are sealed, that if a victim comes forward and tries to launch a civil case, that they'll never actually know what money may be available or what money is there at all"

VIDEO clip: http://watch.ctv.ca/news/#clip438718

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110324/russell-williams-divorce-110324/20110324/?hub=EdmontonHome

 

[JayFriend]

from video clip

(around the 02:05 mark)
Reporter answers: "Well you know, media lawyers are saying this is huge for the public; that down the road, if these financial statements are sealed, that if a victim comes forward and tries to launch a civil case, that they'll never actually know what money may be available or what money is there at all"

That just reeks of greed. Does it mean that someone (actually their lawyer) would tailor the sum they are suing for to what's available in the kitty? I thought an injured party would sue for an amount that would fairly compensate them for their injuries, not as much as they could get if more was available.