GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #6

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  • #861
RW's best friend, his name is in the book, I am sure. (Jeff)

In one of his final interviews with the media, he stated that he felt RW's medication was the reason for the behaviour, or some such thing. You can find it here on the threads, or in the media links if you look up his name, likely.

It just seems, IMO, MOO, that there are some who still cannot accept RW for what he really, truly is.

BBM

The book mentions medication as well, but there is no drug list. Only three medications are vaguely identified.

I'm sure that everyone knows what Williams is capable of ... even his brother and mother accept his confession.

Who do you think might believe that he is not guilty?
 
  • #862
What do you mean ... the statement from the wife and the statement from the University friend are the same?

The University friend watched him unravel into an obsessive compulsive manic state while his wife laughed it off. Is the wife only interested in her future security and anonymity ... and is that a problem? I mean ... she's his wife, she didn't know. At the same time, didn't she have a responsibility to know ... she was his wife, afterall.

It's not like Williams was a drugabout street person. He was a colonel and his wife had a prominent position with a charity. When stuff first started happening and the first alerts went out about home invasions, did she not wonder whether her husband - who was out walking about to help his sore back - saw anthing? She was distancing herself from her husband before he was arrested ... I think. She took over the Ottawa townhouse while he was parked at the cottage.

What should we believe? She didn't know who he was after 19 years of [sexless?] marriage producing no children? Neither of them wanted children.

OR

Perhaps she's hoping that her husband's assets will be all hers forever and ever.

I sure hope the applicant in the lawsuit is successful.
 
  • #863
One thing that is written between the lines in Appleby's book is that both Russell Williams and his wife were perculiarly secretive about their lives outside of work. Is that a bad thing? After 19 years of marriage, shouldn't the wife have known that the husband was messing up big time? It seems her priority was a big townhouse in the centre of Ottawa and she almost got away with it.

He was found out to be a sado-sexual murderer with meticulous records dating back to 2.5 years before his arrest. I would like to have a look at the computer he had before ... like 3 years ago.

So what ... his wife paid a cash settlement and transfered the cottage land title in exchange for taking her share (assuming a mortgage) and walking away? What more is she liable for unless she suggested that she had a medical condition which required her to keep the entire pension. That would be a problem.
 
  • #864
What did Russell William's wife do when she saw her obsessive-compulisive military husband colonel malfunction ... nothing. She did nothing but relocate (sell the house) after 14 years in their home ... she wanted to live in downtown Ottawa. He was making $12k a month but he was unraveling more each day ... while she was re-doing the kitchen ... should she get to keep it all? I think she should be turfed to the curb for failing to help him.

The answer is no. Russell Williams wife should not be allowed to live her cushy $700k life on her husbands dime while her husbands victims continue to suffer.
 
  • #865
Hmm they hadn't slept together for a long time. Well who'd have guessed ;)

She obviously grabbed what she could while she could. Starting with the compensation from 'the people' for her floors, which wouldn't have been a simple phone call request. I think that incident put a cloud over her head and from there it was down hill. She'll forever be thought of as putting herself above all else.

I'm wondering if people expect her to hold a press conference or to agree to an interview or if she should perhaps make a simple verbal or written statement to the press. I'm guessing that many, like myself would have liked to hear her express any form of sympathy to the victim's/families. Anything. She's not a dopey back woods person, she's intelligent and accustomed to making speeches. People are aware of her standing and her abilities and perhaps that's what makes her silence so loud. She may well have been advised to keep quiet, but that decision would be hers and she would not be admitting to any guilt. Again, the decision is hers.

She really owes nothing. Unless they were directly involved, spouses are not legally responsible when their partners break the law of course. Gosh, the prisons would be filled with wives & husbands. But where they're morally responsible, weeeel that's a different story.

My husband played golf a LOT, went to gyms a real lot and had a super lot of late business meetings/discussions etc. Now I never called him up on whether he was really at golf all those weekends or at the gym or business junk. If I had to call him it would have been pretty important and in the last few yrs it would be on the mobile of course. Never land phones. So in essence, I know he wasn't but he could indeed have been robbing banks, homes or far worse. I never felt the need to check up on him and he never did with me. For that matter, I could have been up to anything just like my hubby.

So, re the jogs. My own father yrs ago jogged every night after work. Every single night and weekends he was a swimming fanatic. Well my mother wouldn't have known if he was off murdering people either. He was simply a jogging and swimming fanatic.

Now all the boxes. Hmm in the new place I'd think she'd have gotten to them eventually. That's all I'm guessing there.

And despite all her horror and shock in the immediate beginning got/agreed with her lawyer/s to action quick smart re the properties in her favour. So there's no apparent sympathy, regret or care, except for herself and probably her cat, tinkabell or whatever.

I'm not doubting the woman is at the border of a break-down. I'm not doubting she's in misery. I am doubting though just how much she cares about anybody except herself. I understand she is back at work. Ahum, work can be therapy but hell, for somebody who is at the end of their tether, about to fall in a heap then it's just not feasible imo.

I'm finding this woman a real puzzle. A 'meme puzzle but a puzzle nevertheless. Everyone who knows her says she's wonderful. Well gee, I don't know anybody as wonderful as all that. Can't think of one person.

All each of us can do is try to put ourselves in her shoes for even a few seconds. What would we do besides fall in a heap. I think most know. And I think that's why so many are wincing.

..... I think she is lacking shame and humility. Same qualities she's probably renowned for in her circle. She is licking her wounds with cream.
 
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  • #867
I could be off base here, but I get the feeling that there is a huge secret being kept from the public.
I wonder if more crimes/victims are found or step forward,how that might affect any ongoing lawsuits ie.just how thin might RW's assets become if stretched ...
 
  • #868
I am quoting my own post because after checking with Hubby, MEH percentage of RW military pension is 50%...divorced or not..so 1/2 of $70,000 is a cool $35,000. yrly.. add that to whatever else in pensions she will receive will be more than enough to cover her and Rosebuds day to day living...maybe she should consider downsizing......
hmmm.... You got me thinking Macright, and now I have two questions, that hopefully your hubby can help answer for me :)

They are both equal partners, right? And there are no children, so no claims for child support, so:

( 1 ) If she is entitled to 50% of his pension (whether she is still married to him or not), would he then be entitled to 50% of her pension, whenever she will receive it?

( 2 ) Until the time they get divorced (if ever), isn't he entitled to 50% of her earnings? :waitasec:
 
  • #869
I was asking myself, so what happens now?

It would seem the one we can't name has nowhere to hide. Everything is a matter of time for her. Because of the coming avalanche of litigation her business will become public business. And other than massive offers of payouts I can't see her avoiding it. And I don't see enough funds there for those kinds of payouts in any case.

She needs to prove she did nothing underhanded re the property buyouts. I'd think that could be difficult.

Re how thin (my quote button really doesn't like me) might RW's assets become if stretched -- I'd guess so thin the rubber band will snap. More victims will undoubtedly be stepping forward. And with all the houses broken into and the trauma of just one woman I saw interviewed re her daughter (nobody was home btw) then this could become bigger than gone with the wind.

Apologies if this link has already been posted -

http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/joe_warmington/2011/04/02/17852531.html

>>QUOTE from Laurie Massicotte from the article

"It's not easy," she says of the victimization that does not stop.

So what would help make this right?

"I want to sue them," she says.

"I want to get both of them on the witness stand."

Instead, she says, she has been negotiating a settlement through the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board.

"I did get an offer for settlement," she says, adding the figure they wanted her to take was $75,000.

"It made me feel like a prostitute," she says. "It was an insult."

________

It's interesting she says she is being asked to sign forms that preclude her from suing others - including the police. Well, the police of course have ducked undercover so to speak. No more comments or discussion about anything was a very wise move and very timely. She is right, she absolutely should have been made aware of the danger around her. By the police being quiet re the first break-in assault (Jane Doe) she was left in an unprotected state. Their business is to protect. There should be an inquiry imo.
 
  • #870
RW's best friend, his name is in the book, I am sure. (Jeff)

In one of his final interviews with the media, he stated that he felt RW's medication was the reason for the behaviour, or some such thing. You can find it here on the threads, or in the media links if you look up his name, likely.

It just seems, IMO, MOO, that there are some who still cannot accept RW for what he really, truly is.

He also said :
He hasn't been in touch with Williams since the crimes, but intends to visit him in prison.

"Russ is still a friend of mine. I hate the crimes, but, I don't hate Russ."

It was somewhere in one of the 15 segments of the Dateline documentary.

otto, here is the link, in case you want to watch it after you finish reading the book. There are also the Fifth Estate and the CBS documentaries to watch. Let us know if you need help finding the links to those two (worth watching) documentaries.

DATELINE : [url]www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/41673072#41673072[/URL]

:) fair warning: lots of ads in between segments
 
  • #871
latte: to use the 'quote' button, what I do is either:

( 1 ) First click the 'quote" icon, which looks like this
quote.gif
, then place your cursor in the very center, right click and select "paste".
Will try to show it leaving spaces so the computer wont follow the commands:
OK, it didn't work, so instead of the brackets ] I will use these }

{quote]so here is where you PASTE[/quote}

( 2 ) The other option works in reverse: FIRST "paste", then "highlight" the whole thing you want to show as "quote", then just press the QUOTE icon.

Hope this helps :)
 
  • #872
I could be off base here, but I get the feeling that there is a huge secret being kept from the public.
I wonder if more crimes/victims are found or step forward,how that might affect any ongoing lawsuits ie.just how thin might RW's assets become if stretched ...

You will recall that in the Robert Pickton case, he was only tried on 6 counts of murder when there were actually 20 more. The punishment was just the same, but, of course, the friends and families of the other 20 women were short changed. In the case of Williams, the police may or may not have evidence of additional crimes and we don't even know if the investigation is now closed. I wonder if more victims come forward, would the police continue investigating? It would seem like beating a dead horse if the maximum punishment has already been exacted. I suppose additional victims might want their pound of flesh too, although they might also be thankful their ordeals are not becoming public.
 
  • #873
latte: to use the 'quote' button, what I do is either:
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Hope this helps :)
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Thank you Hazel, much appreciated :great: (yes it was bothering me that much)


I've been absent & need to catch up on most of the last pages here (I've scanned), but I believe Jeff Farquhar only 'suggested' the medication drugs as a possible explanation or part of. I do too. Not as an excuse of course (his 'traits' and obsessiveness went way back) but as a possible added reasoning, as a possible added 'tipping over the edge'.

As a true friend Jeff is right up there as far as I'm concerned. He's desperately grapling for a reason. He wants a reason, and understandably more than others, he wants to understand why. He'll probably never get it of course. And I understand him planning to visit RW. Some loyalty and deep feelings go way back and way deep. He is separating the crimes from the friend he knew. I wish him the best.

I'm like many, I've watched RW's confessions, I've paused them, I've replayed them and I've wondered. He is a very different kind of killer and that's why he makes many ask more questions I think.


And without me going back to find it and quote, I also think he was jumping out of closets and giving people frights for some very odd or wrong reasons. I remember the Japanese girlfriend who dropped him was quoted as telling detectives in as much words - she saw nothing relevant to his crimes when she knew him.
 
  • #874
He also said :


It was somewhere in one of the 15 segments of the Dateline documentary.

otto, here is the link, in case you want to watch it after you finish reading the book. There are also the Fifth Estate and the CBS documentaries to watch. Let us know if you need help finding the links to those two (worth watching) documentaries.

DATELINE : [url]www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/41673072#41673072[/URL]

:) fair warning: lots of ads in between segments

Thanks for the link!
 
  • #875
hmmm.... You got me thinking Macright, and now I have two questions, that hopefully your hubby can help answer for me :)

They are both equal partners, right? And there are no children, so no claims for child support, so:

( 1 ) If she is entitled to 50% of his pension (whether she is still married to him or not), would he then be entitled to 50% of her pension, whenever she will receive it?

( 2 ) Until the time they get divorced (if ever), isn't he entitled to 50% of her earnings? :waitasec:


The 50% pension etc. applies to all gov. workers whether military or not. Her pension would be coming from the H&S which is a charity and not affiliated with the government so I don't think the 50% would apply here..someone correct me if I am wrong please.. either way he can only spend so much $$$ in the prison tuck shop so he would have no need for much in the way of $$$.. From personal experience my daughter is employed with fed. government and when she was divorced that was one clause that she made sure she put in her divorce claims etc. and that was her ex would not be able to claim any of her pension when the time came..He agreed to that so unless that can be changed he will not receive anything.


a correction: I think I had earlier posted that his pension was based on his salary PLUS his benefits for the last five years of employment...I have been corrected by Hubby in that the pension is only calculated on his BASE salary and the flying and risk pay are not factored in...
 
  • #876
Do we know what the reaction was amongst soldiers on the base? Did they crack jokes about Williams, avoid talking about him, put it behind them ... any thoughts?
 
  • #877
Author says Williams was no stranger to victim
Updated: Sat Apr. 16 2011 1:38:38 PM
Author Timothy Appleby said convicted murdered Russell Williams had dinner and learned French with one of his victims.

In his book A New Kind of Monster: The Secret Life and Chilling Crimes of Colonel Russell Williams, Appleby said that Williams wasn't being truthful to police when he said he barely knew Marie-France Comeau.
more : http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110416/OTT_appleby_110416/20110416/?hub=OttawaHome
 
  • #878
Author says Williams was no stranger to victim
Updated: Sat Apr. 16 2011 1:38:38 PMmore : http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110416/OTT_appleby_110416/20110416/?hub=OttawaHome



that doesn't surprise me..she was part of his crew at least once and I don't think there are many flight attendants in the military..it isn't a trade of it's own..they are selected for a certain time period from other trades..at least that used to be the way of the military... these crews tend to stick together when they are on overseas flights so I am sure they would have socialized regardless of the rank....I have seen it myself especially when they are on the so called "French" courses that are made up of all ranks on the course. I doubt Marie France was ever on a french course seeing as she was a French Cdn. but he may have used the opportunity of her speaking french to him to upgrade his french..
 
  • #879
Do we know what the reaction was amongst soldiers on the base? Did they crack jokes about Williams, avoid talking about him, put it behind them ... any thoughts?

From what I have read and watched on TV/Interviews, there is not any joke cracking about RW, absolutely not.

I think most avoid talking about him, and would like to put him behind them. But, I don't think they ever really will.

The number of victims this man claimed is staggering.
 
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