Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[deugirtni]

Yes but....... it seems that the sister may be taking at face value the info shared by SB's estranged husband. Would love to know if anyone *else* had seen her once she arrived back in Calgary? I wonder if JB's statement is the only thing that suggests she actually made it back to her home in Calgary? (Assuming that she had transportation other than her own vehicle for that trip?) So much that we don't know.

Rumours abound online, as a public weaned on television detective shows speculates over the meaning of the strange photos.

Madill says that’s all to be expected, but she does address the rumours Burgess’ estranged husband might be involved in her disappearance.

“We’re friendly with him and there’s no animosity at all — and he and my sister still get along quite well,” said Madill.
http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...areness-to-missing-calgary-womans-case-sister

FWIW... Shannon's sister had posted on FB (Dec.3) that Shannon was last seen in Calgary. She specifically said Shannon was last seen in Calgary and NOT Edmonton.

 

[deugirtni]

Could be, but I'm reading it as 'contacted Josh' means 'contacted' ie left a voicemail, only because it says 'and when we hadn't heard back', to me it sounds like 'hadn't heard back from the msgs I'd left for Josh'. But yes, another thing left up to interpretation for sure.

She says "contacted Josh", not tried to reach... the "hadn't heard back" reads, to me, like she's referring to SB.

 

[evafiore]

At 2AM Wednesday, Shannon discovered that her brakes were not working.

Is it realistic to believe that Shannon was in Calgary at 2AM Wed with damaged brakes, that she left for Edmonton a few hours later on Wednesday morning, arrived three hours later, saw lots of friends in Edmonton (per press conference), auditioned, drove three hours back to Calgary, and then vanished after 12:30AM - less than 24 hours later? That doesn't seem realistic. Additionally, my understanding is that she parked the car when the brakes didn't work ... so how did her car get home?

Given the timeline, and the fact that Shannon reportedly spent time with lots of friends in Edmonton, Shannon was most likely in Edmonton when the brakes failed. She couldn't drive home without having the brakes repaired, and that delay probably resulted in her missing the event at Yuk Yuks.

Her post about the brakes was on Tuesday just before midnight.
Nov 25 @ 11:54 pm Alberta time, SB posted on FB that breaks went for $h!t (no location showing)

IIRC, I think the comment about seeing a lot of friends also included something about "last weekend" or on the "weekend before." I can't check right now, please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[deugirtni]

I don't recall anything about what you're mentioning below where she and friends were going to go home and she discovered her brakes failed so they took a cab? Can you relocate that info? Would like to know if on late Wed evening, she was in Calgary or Edmonton.

And yes, she was in Edmonton on the weekend prior to her disappearance.. wondering if she stayed right through, for her audition on the Wednesday, or if she came back to Calgary and then headed back to Edmonton on the Wednesday and back home again Wed night.

Regarding the brakes, wasn't there a message from Shannon late Wed. evening where she and friends were going to go home and she discovered that her brakes failed - so they took a cab ... something like that?

Wasn't there also some suggestion that she was in Edmonton on the weekend prior to her disappearance? I'm going from memory, but I'm pretty sure that was discussed over the last few months. ....

 

[otto]

Her post about the brakes was on Tuesday just before midnight.
Nov 25 @ 11:54 pm Alberta time, SB posted on FB that breaks went for $h!t (no location showing)

IIRC, I think the comment about seeing a lot of friends also included something about "last weekend" or on the "weekend before." I can't check right now, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Is it believable that she was in Calgary at midnight Tuesday/Wednesday, her brakes failed, she left her car where it was parked, and then in the next 24 hours she spent 6 hours travelling to and from Edmonton, auditioned and got the part, spent time with many friends in Edmonton, slept, ate, vanished at midnight Wednesday/Thursday, and her car was parked at home on Nov 27? I don't think it's possible. The only reasonable conclusion is that she was in Edmonton when the brakes failed.

 

[otto]

I don't recall anything about what you're mentioning below where she and friends were going to go home and she discovered her brakes failed so they took a cab? Can you relocate that info? Would like to know if on late Wed evening, she was in Calgary or Edmonton.

And yes, she was in Edmonton on the weekend prior to her disappearance.. wondering if she stayed right through, for her audition on the Wednesday, or if she came back to Calgary and then headed back to Edmonton on the Wednesday and back home again Wed night.

If she was in Edmonton the weekend prior to her disappearance, doesn't it make sense that she stayed in Edmonton for the audition? Why would she be in Edmonton on the weekend, drive home, then go back to Edmonton for the audition a day or two later? That doesn't make any sense at all.

I don't remember the details of the brake problem ... just something about the brakes failing in the middle of the night so they left the car where it was.

 

[otto]

Can anyone connect the dots such that Shannon was in Edmonton on the weekend prior to her disappearance, she returned to Calgary after the weekend (Monday/Tuesday), had car problems in Calgary at midnight Tuesday/Wednesday, and within the next 24 hours she travelled to/from Edmonton again, auditioned, and vanished after arriving in Calgary again?

Did she have extra money to make two trips six hour trips in less than a week?

Why does it seem reasonable that Shannon was in Edmonton, and that she would return to Calgary knowing that she was going to turn around and go back to Edmonton a couple of days later? Who does that?

 

[otto]

If we trust Occam's Razor, then Shannon went to Edmonton the weekend prior to the audition. She spent time with lots of friends. In Edmonton, late on Tuesday evening, she had car trouble - her brakes failed. She went to the audition on Wednesday, but could not drive home without brakes (it would be suicidal to drive 300km at speeds of 100-160km/hr without brakes). She had the brakes repaired, and that delay caused her to miss the plans she had to meet with friends at Yuk Yuks on Wednesday evening.

She arrived home sometime between 9 and midnight. The only witness that has come forward and who saw her after she returned home is Shannon's husband. Shannon and her husband were at their shared home when Shannon was last seen at 12:30AM Nov 27. On Monday, Dec 1, Shannon's husband went home from work. Shannon's family then learned that Shannon's husband had not seen her since midnight Wed/Thurs the previous week. Shannon's family contacted police.

We can add all sorts of extra hypothetical information such as: Shannon drove back and forth to Edmonton twice in five days, Shannon's dog was cared for by some unknown, unrelated person that did not notice that Shannon had not retrieved the dog per plans, that the husband had two residences and so on, but there is nothing to support any of those hypothetical suggestions, so why should we inject those suggestions into our understanding of the facts?

 

[LoisLane]

Here are the exact times from Shannon's last facebook post.

Original post...Brakes gone to poop: November 25, 2014 at 10:54pm
She adds a second comment/response about funzies to the original post: November 26, 2014 at 9:06pm
https://www.facebook.com/shannon.ma...d=10152605021042950&offset=0&total_comments=8

 

[otto]

Here are the exact times from Shannon's last facebook post.

Original post...Brakes gone to poop: November 25, 2014 at 11:54pm
She adds a second comment/response about funzies to the original post: November 26, 2014 at 10:06pm
https://www.facebook.com/shannon.ma...d=10152605021042950&offset=0&total_comments=8

The comment about the brakes was made at 22:54, and edited at 23:02 on Nov 25, and the comment about "funzies" was posted at 21:06PM.

We know that Shannon was at home three hours later at midnight Nov 26/27. I suppose that means that either Shannon was in Edmonton when she made the 9:06PM "funzies" comment, and she was getting ready for the three hour drive home, or she was already home.

 

[evafiore]

The comment about the brakes was made at 22:54, and edited at 23:02 on Nov 25, and the comment about "funzies" was posted at 21:06PM.

We know that Shannon was at home three hours later at midnight Nov 26/27. I suppose that means that either Shannon was in Edmonton when she made the 9:06PM "funzies" comment, and she was getting ready for the three hour drive home, or she was already home.

22:54 or 23:54? For the sake of accuracy, can someone please verify the times again? I know we did this a few days ago, but somehow these other times are popping up again in this forum and it's confusing.

I can't remember any posts about leaving the car somewhere in the middle of the night because of the brakes---are you confusing it with her post about having to leave the car in a parking lot because they locked the gates (which was waaaay before)?

I'm not going to rule out possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with considering what we don't know---dogsitter, JB staying elsewhere, whatever. By "injecting" elements into the timeline, we can consider what is possible and keep the avenues open. Sticking to one avenue and ignoring all others that don't match your theory risks freeing the guilty party, and leads to injustice for the victim. Lynne Harper and Mistie Murray are cold cases because LE refused to consider alternate possibilities---they were stuck on one idea, like the adoptive father or the shy classmate, or the estranged husband with a certain look in his eyes.

 

[otto]

22:54 or 23:54? For the sake of accuracy, can someone please verify the times again? I know we did this a few days ago, but somehow these other times are popping up again in this forum and it's confusing.

I can't remember any posts about leaving the car somewhere in the middle of the night because of the brakes---are you confusing it with her post about having to leave the car in a parking lot because they locked the gates (which was waaaay before)?

I'm not going to rule out possibilities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with considering what we don't know---dogsitter, JB staying elsewhere, whatever. By "injecting" elements into the timeline, we can consider what is possible and keep the avenues open. Sticking to one avenue and ignoring all others that don't match your theory risks freeing the guilty party, and leads to injustice for the victim. Lynne Harper and Mistie Murray are cold cases because LE didn't consider alternate possibilities---they were stuck on one idea, like the adoptive father or the shy classmate, or the estranged husband with a certain look in his eyes.

The time stamp should be based on time in the province of Alberta: 22:54PM. Someone in the provinces of Saskatchewan/Manitoba/W Ontario would see the time as 23:54, in the province of Alberta 22:54, and in the province of BC 21:54.

Shannon's husband knew perfectly well that his wife had vanished and that her car and phone were at home, yet he did not communicate that information to anyone until he was pushed into a corner by Shannon's sister Erin on Dec 1.

What happened to Shannon's car after she discovered that the brakes failed?
Why should we assume that even though Shannon was in Edmonton on the weekend, and on the following Wednesday, she drove back and forth to Calgary on Tuesday, only to turn around on Wednesday and go back to Edmonton?
Why should we assume that Shannon, clearly on a limited budget, had money and time to drive back and forth to Edmonton twice in five days?
Why didn't the hypothetical dog sitter raise the alert that the dog was not picked up per plans?
Why would Shannon's husband have two residences?

Why should we rule in information that is not stated anywhere except here and which doesn't make sense in terms of what we do know to be true?

 

[evafiore]

The time stamp should be based on time in the province of Alberta: 22:54PM. Someone in the provinces of Saskatchewan/Manitoba/W Ontario would see the time as 23:54, in the province of Alberta 22:54, and in the province of BC 21:54.

Shannon's husband knew perfectly well that his wife had vanished and that her car and phone were at home, yet he did not communicate that information to anyone until he was pushed into a corner by Shannon's sister Erin on Dec 1.

What happened to Shannon's car after she discovered that the brakes failed?
Why should we assume that even though Shannon was in Edmonton on the weekend, and on the following Wednesday, she drove back and forth to Calgary on Tuesday, only to turn around on Wednesday and go back to Edmonton?
Why should we assume that Shannon, clearly on a limited budget, had money and time to drive back and forth to Edmonton twice in five days?
Why didn't the hypothetical dog sitter raise the alert that the dog was not picked up per plans?
Why would Shannon's husband have two residences?

Why should we rule in information that is not stated anywhere except here and which doesn't make sense in terms of what we do know to be true?

Because they're possible, so they should not be ruled out. Just because LE did not make a formal announcement of it or we can't see it anywhere online doesn't mean it's impossible.

Why are you ruling in and assuming that "Shannon's husband knew perfectly well that his wife had vanished and that her car and phone were at home"? I don't see that stated anywhere. Is this another interpretation or a fact? It's possible, but not a certainty.

As for the residence---SB lived there too. And we know that she was in Edmonton for at least a weekend. According to what you're saying, this would be impossible. She can't stay in Edmonton because that's not her residence. Make sense? Nope. JB could have been staying somewhere else. It's possible, and maybe even likely if they were going through a divorce.

Can someone please review the times with Otto? SillyBilly? Maybe you can compare notes? I'm in Euroland so the time zones are way off.

 

[LoisLane]

The comment about the brakes was made at 22:54, and edited at 23:02 on Nov 25, and the comment about "funzies" was posted at 21:06PM.

We know that Shannon was at home three hours later at midnight Nov 26/27. I suppose that means that either Shannon was in Edmonton when she made the 9:06PM "funzies" comment, and she was getting ready for the three hour drive home, or she was already home.

Can you check your facebook settings to ensure you are on Mountain Standard Time?

 

[otto]

Because they're possible, so they should not be ruled out. Just because LE did not make a formal announcement of it or we can't see it anywhere online doesn't mean it's impossible.

Why are you ruling in and assuming that "Shannon's husband knew perfectly well that his wife had vanished and that her car and phone were at home"? I don't see that anywhere. Is this another interpretation or a fact? It's possible, but not a certainty.

As for the residence---SB lived there too. And we know that she was in Edmonton for at least a weekend. According to what you're saying, this would be impossible. She can't stay in Edmonton because that's not her residence. Make sense? Nope. JB could have been staying somewhere else. It's possible, and maybe even likely if they were going through a divorce.

Can someone please review the times with Otto? SillyBilly? Maybe you can compare notes? I'm in Euroland so the time zones are way off.

Is it reasonable that Shannon was in Edmonton on Sunday evening, that she was in Calgary on Tuesday evening at 11PM, and that she was in Edmonton for her audition on Wednesday, or is it reasonable that Shannon was in Edmonton on Sunday evening, stayed until the audition on Wednesday, and drove home Wednesday evening? For what reason would the self-employed actor drive back and forth to Calgary on Monday/Tuesday only to have to get up early Wednesday morning to attend the audition?

Is it reasonable that the couple, living in a co-op where the minimum annual salary must be $45k, could each afford a second residence? Is it reasonable that either party would move out of the co-op during divorce, meaning that they would lose rights to living in the co-op townhouse?

Is it reasonable that the family dog would be left with a stranger when the husband was living at home and perfectly capable of looking after the dog?

What is not reasonable is that the husband did not communicate to anyone that his wife had vanished without her phone and car for five days. Of course the husband knew that the person he lived with hadn't been seen for five days. That should be self-evident. The formal announcement is the fact that they "shared" a home. That means that they lived together. We don't need to look beyond that an imagine that maybe they didn't share a home because that contradicts the facts.

It's possible that Shannon is in Disneyland, but is it reasonable?

We don't know where Shannon stayed when she was in Edmonton, but we know that she lived in the Ramsay district in Calgary. Visiting friends in another city does not mean that she no longer lives in her own home.

Why don't we find someone that lives in Alberta and ask that person to look at the time stamp on the facebook comments ... would that clear up the problem?

 

[otto]

Can you check your facebook settings to ensure you are on Mountain Standard Time?

I don't use facebook. I looked at the times in the link that was provided upthread.

 

[LoisLane]

I don't use facebook. I looked at the times in the link that was provided upthread.

I just went into my facebook and added my current city to Calgary and the times adjusted by one hour. I had no city listed prior. I wonder if Shannon has Calgary or no city listed in her profile. So the times could be Moot. I have adjusted my previous post based on Calgary time but it may be irrelevant.

 

[otto]

I just went into my facebook and added my current city to Calgary and the times adjusted by one hour. I had no city listed prior. I wonder if Shannon has Calgary or no city listed in her profile. So the times could be Moot. I have adjusted my previous post based on Calgary time but it may be irrelevant.

It looks like we now agree that the brake problem was posted at 10:54PM

 

[LoisLane]

I don't use facebook. I looked at the times in the link that was provided upthread.

I feel like this is a game of pointing out mistakes and twisting theories into fact. It is all speculation based on information available.

 

[evafiore]

This was the last timeline that was worked out:

Nov 25 @ 11:54 pm Alberta time, SB posted on FB that breaks went for $h!t (no location showing)
Nov 25 @ 11:58 pm Alberta time, a DM pointed out her spelling error re "breaks"
Nov 26 @ 12:02 am Alberta time, SM acknowledged DM's spelling correction and edited her earlier post to "brakes"
Nov 26 @ 9:15 pm Alberta time, SM posts on YukYuks FB “So sad I didn’t make it back into Calgary in time for the show”
Nov 26 @ 10:06 pm Alberta time, SM made her last post wrt "missing the man ... funzies ..