Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[evafiore]

Depending on how they got in the password might be changed from what she had it to.

:thinking: If they were monitoring it to check if she was accessing it, changing the password would be counterproductive, no?

I don't think they'd change the password.

 

[debsy99]

:thinking: If they were monitoring it to check if she was accessing it, changing the password would be counterproductive, no?

I don't think they'd change the password.

Or they were looking at who she messaged and who messaged her. A family member said if you see her logged on it's because the police are logging on her account. Again it depends on how they gained access to her account. For example if they have her laptop and her FB was closed but her email was open they could reset the password which would send a link to her email and then they have access. But it wouldn't tell them what her password was that way so it would have to be altered.

 

[evafiore]

Or they were looking at who she messaged and who messaged her. A family member said if you see her logged on it's because the police are logging on her account. Again it depends on how they gained access to her account. For example if they have her laptop and her FB was closed but her email was open they could reset the password which would send a link to her email and then they have access. But it wouldn't tell them what her password was that way so it would have to be altered.

LE wouldn't need to change her password to access her account. She isn't a criminal, and they haven't got a right to restrict her movements or access to personal accounts.

https://www.facebook.com/records/x/login/

 

[deugirtni]

I had been trying to find SB's sister's comments in regard to the Fish Creek Park photos.. I couldn't remember where I'd seen it.. it is on her BF's FB page. She says, " I should say since it doesn't mention it in the article that the pictures are artistic and happy in nature."

Such a different take on them than what the media were reporting, and obviously from what the police were feeling in regard to the photos being posted like that.

 

[evafiore]

I had been trying to find SB's sister's comments in regard to the Fish Creek Park photos.. I couldn't remember where I'd seen it.. it is on her BF's FB page. She says, " I should say since it doesn't mention it in the article that the pictures are artistic and happy in nature."

Such a different take on them than what the media were reporting, and obviously from what the police were feeling in regard to the photos being posted like that.

It's not the first time she's countered what's being reported by the media---after it had been reported that SB and JB were going through a messy divorce, EM insisted that they were on good terms.

Maybe this change in demeanor, from active and communicative to silent, is due to frustration with misrepresentation by the media?

 

[LoisLane]

If someone was intentionally trying not to be found, logging into an email account or social-media account in order to retrieve messages, would most likely create a digital trace that would lead back to one's location. LE monitors those things very carefully. People trying not to be found would be especially careful NOT to get caught so easily.

Unless LE is unable to access her social media. They were not able to access Justin's even with a warrant.

 

[news.talk]

Unless LE is unable to access her social media. They were not able to access Justin's even with a warrant.

The difference being, SB left her phone at home - Most people have a FB app that is already logged in. Same goes with email. Additionally, the family posted that LE had already accessed her account. Justin's family were trying to get FB to allow them into them account, because they had no password.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Unless LE is unable to access her social media. They were not able to access Justin's even with a warrant.

You read my mind! Was just wondering about why JMB's FB couldn't be accessed by Canadian LE/warrant but SB's can? Wonder what loophole differentiates the two scenarios?

ETA- just read news.talk's answer to my question, we must've been posting at the same time!

 

[LoisLane]

The difference being, SB left her phone at home - Most people have a FB app that is already logged in. Same goes with email. Additionally, the family posted that LE had already accessed her account. Justin's family were trying to get FB to allow them into them account, because they had no password.

I am surprised that if the husband is involved that he wouldn't have logged Shannon out of her accounts. I wonder if her phone was locked and required a password if that is easy to access or if her husband knew of that code as well.

 

[LoisLane]

This young woman has been missing for a week after leaving a hospital in High River.
http://www.albertapolicereport.ca/2...am-reported-missing-from-high-river-hospital/

 

[deugirtni]

Yes, that would be *incredibly* frustrating, I would imagine, if your words were sensationalized to something different from what you said to media. IIRC (hey, I seem to have that one down now!), I believe that media reported that it was the sister who originally said 'going through a messy divorce' though.. and then... same sister *also* says, 'but they still get along quite well' (keyword = quite, I recall us discussing here).. so is the communication disturbance coming from media, or is it coming from sister?

It's not the first time she's countered what's being reported by the media---after it had been reported that SB and JB were going through a messy divorce, EM insisted that they were on good terms.

Maybe this change in demeanor, from active and communicative to silent, is due to frustration with misrepresentation by the media?

 

[deugirtni]

Yes.. if you follow the link provided by evafiore upthread and take it a little further.. it seems to be *very* specific as to what exactly is required, and even then, depending on exactly what was given to FB by LE, determines what exactly they would get access to.

US Legal Process Requirements

We disclose account records solely in accordance with our terms of service and applicable law, including the federal Stored Communications Act (“SCA&#8221, 18 U.S.C. Sections 2701-2712. Under US law:

- A valid subpoena issued in connection with an official criminal investigation is required to compel the disclosure of basic subscriber records (defined in 18 U.S.C. Section 2703(c)(2)), which may include: name, length of service, credit card information, email address(es), and a recent login/logout IP address(es), if available.

- A court order issued under 18 U.S.C. Section 2703(d) is required to compel the disclosure of certain records or other information pertaining to the account, not including contents of communications, which may include message headers and IP addresses, in addition to the basic subscriber records identified above.

- A search warrant issued under the procedures described in the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure or equivalent state warrant procedures upon a showing of probable cause is required to compel the disclosure of the stored contents of any account, which may include messages, photos, videos, wall posts, and location information.

- We interpret the national security letter provision as applied to Facebook to require the production of only 2 categories of information: name and length of service.

https://www.facebook.com/safety/groups/law/guidelines/

We may access, preserve and share your information in response to a legal request (like a search warrant, court order or subpoena) if we have a good faith belief that the law requires us to do so. This may include responding to legal requests from jurisdictions outside of the United States where we have a good faith belief that the response is required by law in that jurisdiction, affects users in that jurisdiction, and is consistent with internationally recognized standards. We may also access, preserve and share information when we have a good faith belief it is necessary to: detect, prevent and address fraud and other illegal activity; to protect ourselves, you and others, including as part of investigations; or to prevent death or imminent bodily harm.
https://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/other

I wonder if, even with our police giving FB orders that are enforceable here, they differ from what FB's requirements are, and hence the roadblock.. I really hope not.. and if that is the case, I sure hope they put a priority on dealing with it.

Unless LE is unable to access her social media. They were not able to access Justin's even with a warrant.

 

[deugirtni]

If SB never knew what hit her, so to speak, there would be no real reason for him to log her out, or hide anything, since there would be nothing she would have known about, to write to her friends about? I'm thinking this was a heated thing that was sudden, rather than a planned thing.. too bad we don't know the details on 'her return to Calgary', having been seen by only one person since her apparent arrival there.

I am surprised that if the husband is involved that he wouldn't have logged Shannon out of her accounts. I wonder if her phone was locked and required a password if that is easy to access or if her husband knew of that code as well.

 

[evafiore]

If SB never knew what hit her, so to speak, there would be no real reason for him to log her out, or hide anything, since there would be nothing she would have known about, to write to her friends about? I'm thinking this was a heated thing that was sudden, rather than a planned thing.. too bad we don't know the details on 'her return to Calgary', having been seen by only one person since her apparent arrival there.

It'd be useful to know when and from where accounts were last accessed. If JB was the one who left at 12:30am, or went to bed, or whatever, than it's probable that she accessed some of the accounts after that. If it was SB that left at 12:30am, then that may have been the latest time she accessed the accounts, unless she did from elsewhere, later on, without the phone. Or she came back sometime the next day, when JB wasn't around, and may have accessed accounts up until then, left her phone, and disappeared after. Whatever the circumstances, the access times and method of access would have to jive with JB's story...

If LE had her laptop, they could check the entire history of activity of those days.

Something makes me think the laptop disappeared with her.

 

[stan laurel]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/woman-seriously-assaulted-at-bakery-in-langdon-1.3036164

took license plates off before assault?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/woman-seriously-assaulted-at-bakery-in-langdon-1.3036164

took license plates off before assault?

Sounds like a seasoned offender, that or it was a stolen car.

 

[news.talk]

It'd be useful to know when and from where accounts were last accessed. If JB was the one who left at 12:30am, or went to bed, or whatever, than it's probable that she accessed some of the accounts after that. If it was SB that left at 12:30am, then that may have been the latest time she accessed the accounts, unless she did from elsewhere, later on, without the phone. Or she came back sometime the next day, when JB wasn't around, and may have accessed accounts up until then, left her phone, and disappeared after. Whatever the circumstances, the access times and method of access would have to jive with JB's story...

If LE had her laptop, they could check the entire history of activity of those days.

Something makes me think the laptop disappeared with her.

I'm confused... What laptop? The only thing mentioned in MSM that I am aware of, is that she left her cell phone at home.

Many people use their smartphones as their primary mode of communicating on social-media. Especially in her age group.

 

[news.talk]

I am surprised that if the husband is involved that he wouldn't have logged Shannon out of her accounts. I wonder if her phone was locked and required a password if that is easy to access or if her husband knew of that code as well.

If he *was involved* he would be smart to have left things as they were. Most smartphone apps are such that you never have to actually log out of your accounts. The push notifications are set for email, FB and all other social-media accounts. I don't recall a time when I have ever had to manually log out of social-media accounts. If anyone got a hold of my phone, they could easily post anywhere as me... All my apps are set for push notifications and none require a sign in.

 

[evafiore]

I'm confused... What laptop? The only thing mentioned in MSM that I am aware of, is that she left her cell phone at home.

Many people use their smartphones as their primary mode of communicating on social-media. Especially in her age group.

Of course she'd use her phone for social media. But she'd also be using her computer---not sure if it was a desktop or a laptop. If she travels to Edmonton frequently, I'm guessing a laptop. They haven't stated if that was in the home or not (much like the mittens ).

If anyone wanted to pick my brain and get a general idea of what I was thinking or doing over a span of time, they'd just have to check my laptop (not so much my phone, but that's just me...). She states on her dating profile that her computer is something she cannot do without (and, though perhaps insignificant, no mention of her phone). LE could see when a program was accessed, when it was turned on/off, browsing history, social media, games played (she's a gamer), any keystroke ("spouse-surveillance") software...

If she took off on her own, she may have taken her laptop. If someone else was involved, they may have hidden it. The phone may have been left at home, by SB or someone else, simply for the fact that its location could possibly be traced.

 

[Leischa]

If she took off on her own, she may have taken her laptop. If someone else was involved, they may have hidden it. The phone may have been left at home, by SB or someone else, simply for the fact that its location could possibly be traced.

I like what you're saying. The phone was left there because it could be traced. Same thing about her car.