Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025 #2

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  • #561
Okay, got it. It was a directive. Likely showing what he will do - or wants to do - once a Parliament is formed.

(I did read the whole article. Just so you know. But the Sun is a bit 'spectacular' IYKWIM, so I always want to look further.)

imo
The whole carbon tax policy is one document that has to be debated in parliament with input from all political parties. What Carney signed - for theatre purposes - amounts to a statement that his party supports removing the consumer carbon tax portion of the larger proposed policy. It changes nothing, but is supposed to make Canadians believe that he changed something.

The Conservative Party wants to get rid of the carbon tax for everyone, not just consumers.

Trudeau shut down parliament a few months ago so there is no debate, no opportunity for input from all Canadians.
 
  • #562
Yes, I know (re: the Post). hahaha :)

It was the first link that came up. I wanted to see if he "lied" or if he was being optic.

It is neither here nor there for me. I just like to know if people are liars or if there is something else going on. From afar, it seems that he is trying to show people what he will do. Because people have to become familiar with him before the election. IDK

imo
The Conservative Party has campaigned on canceling the entire carbon tax in Canada. What Carney did was stage a scene where he pretended to cancel the carbon tax. The point would be that he's saying: look, I've already done the only thing that the Conservatives had said they'll do, so vote for me. It was dishonest, misleading, and not above board.
 
  • #563
Mississauga, which is located immediately to the west of Toronto, said over the weekend that the process was underway to remove the U.S. flags from its buildings.

Mayor Carolyn Parrish announced the move in a social media post on Saturday, saying it had come “at the request of many.”
 
  • #564
I just can't take it anymore!!!
 
  • #565
We could see it coming. The USA wants Panama, Greenland and Canada. What do they have in common? Shipping lanes. Greenland and Canada are future shipping lanes. In a recent interview with Trump and Mark Rutte (secretary general of NATO) Trump declared that he has 48 ice breakers and that Canada wants them. He repeats several times that Canada can't have them, they have to pay for them, but Canada allegedly wants ice breakers.

I don't think Canada wants ice breakers in the Arctic. I think the USA government plan is to steal the land and associated waters, and use ice-breakers to carve out a shipping lane today. The USA government wants to destroy Canada's Arctic ice. I researched the attached images in mid-January. That's when the USA government plan was obvious, although not yet formerly announced or recognized in the news.

The country that is missing in the agreement to establish the longest maritime boundary in the world is the USA. That clearly makes the USA really angry, so angry that they want to take Canada by force. The USA wants to rob Canadians and Indigenous Peoples of their land, water and natural resources. It's that simple. That's how the USA government plans to get rich.

"The waters of Canada’s Arctic archipelago, including the various channels comprising the Northwest Passage, are internal waters of Canada by virtue of historic title and in accordance with international law. Canada’s Arctic sovereignty encompasses land, sea and ice.
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Canada, the Kingdom of Denmark, and Greenland have resolved the maritime boundary and long-time dispute over Tartupaluk. In June 2022, following 5 years of intensive negotiations, the Canadian, Nunavut, Danish and Greenlandic governments agreed on a modernized single maritime boundary, from the Lincoln Sea in the north to the Labrador Sea in the south—a distance of over 3,000 kilometres—which established the longest bilateral maritime boundary in the world. The agreement also resolved the overlap in our respective continental shelves in the Labrador Sea."​

One thing about Arctic ice: it is melting. So I don't know what's there to "destroy", since there is no ice cap on the Arctic, just huge chunks of ice.
The commonest answer provided to the trivia: "at a certain point on the globe, if a man walks one km south, one km west and one km north, he'll end up at the same point. Where is it?", is "the North Pole". (There is one more point). The trivia dates back to the 19th century, when there was a possibility to "walk" on the Arctic ice. Not anymore; we are losing the arctic ice at the rate of 35% per a decade. It is a dangerous process as is, but breaking the ice there is very dangerous.

 
  • #566
I just can't take it anymore!!!
I agree . I wish this drama would stop already it's every damn day some new issue. No one is happy about what's going on there's no one winning . We wake up thinking now what's going to happen ,whose going to tick off the orange dude today. How are they going to attack Canada today. Unfortunately I don't think things are going to change anytime soon hopefully this isn't the new norm. Jmoo
 
  • #567
One thing about Arctic ice: it is melting. So I don't know what's there to "destroy", since there is no ice cap on the Arctic, just huge chunks of ice.
The commonest answer provided to the trivia: "at a certain point on the globe, if a man walks one km south, one km west and one km north, he'll end up at the same point. Where is it?", is "the North Pole". (There is one more point). The trivia dates back to the 19th century, when there was a possibility to "walk" on the Arctic ice. Not anymore; we are losing the arctic ice at the rate of 35% per a decade. It is a dangerous process as is, but breaking the ice there is very dangerous.


I don't know how to address this suffice to say that there is indeed a polar ice cap. I've walked on it and driven on it in BV206 while serving at CFS Alert.

The polar ice cap expands (in winter) and contracts (in summer) every year - and has always done so. When it contracts in spring & summer, ice floes to the south - witness those things like ice bergs floating off the coast of Newfoundland during that time if year (Titanic??).

CFS Alert is named for the HMS Alert which wintered 10km south of the station in winter 1875/76 - so the passages were even open way back then during the season. CFS Alert is located on the very northern tip of Ellesmere Island and is the most northerly permanently inhabited place in the world (by Canadian Military personnel and civilian contractors doing environmental studies and listening to the Ruskies). Arctic Expeditions launch from the Station there as it is the closest to the North Pole at 850ish km away.

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A link to the NASA page on the Polar Ice Cap; about half way down the page, they have the satellite imagery time lapse from 27 Feb - 7 Mar 2025. You'll also notice by the graphs (yearly since 1970) that the Arctic Polar Ice Cap is doing what it usually does (expand and contract) with the seasons.

We have many communities in our north; that's why we have cutters and require them.

And a pic here ... of what it looks like in Alert Bay on July 1st .... that's me polar bear dipping. Even then .... the place is still filled with ice and all those little bergs and floes, freeze back up together in the fall. Outside f the bay, the ice stays in one giant cap ... it breaks up along the shorelins due to tides and the fact that all of those islands are ... solid rock with a lot of cliff faces for it to bounce off of.

Long story short: If we want to see it used as shipping lanes, we're going to have to cut through the passage to do so in winter. And given thatit is the Arctic, you're going to have to have cutters up there even in spring, summer, fall should a freeze occur and any ships become at risk of being frozen in.

Me? My thoughts are, "say no to shipping!" through Canada's north. It's a beautiful and unique environment and ecosystem. But, if we Canadians want that, then we need to put out the doneros to protect it. Currently, our Navy's Harry DeWolf Class Ships are Arctic capable, but we'll need more of them! It's a big Arctic to patrol with all kinds of waterways throughout. And, if you want to patrol and protect it in the winter too, we'd better have cutters there too for ease of doing so ... or else someone else's will be.

IMO.
 

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  • #568
That's it. Game over America. You have a tyrant at the helm who giveth not a smidgeth of care or faith to the constitution. Not a single speck.

President [URL='https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/donald-trump']Donald Trump claimed that former President Joe Biden's preemptive pardons of members of the Jan. 6 Select Committee and others were "void, vacant, and of no future force of effect."[/url]


Perhaps this lawmaker in France is right:

 
  • #569
That's it. Game over America. You have a tyrant at the helm who giveth not a smidgeth of care or faith to the constitution. Not a single speck.

President [URL='https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/donald-trump']Donald Trump claimed that former President Joe Biden's preemptive pardons of members of the Jan. 6 Select Committee and others were "void, vacant, and of no future force of effect."[/url]


Perhaps this lawmaker in France is right:

So they finally got themselves a King.. and not just any old King but a combo of 15th century King and Pope.. Good luck, USA.
 
  • #570
That's it. Game over America. You have a tyrant at the helm who giveth not a smidgeth of care or faith to the constitution. Not a single speck.

President [URL='https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/donald-trump']Donald Trump claimed that former President Joe Biden's preemptive pardons of members of the Jan. 6 Select Committee and others were "void, vacant, and of no future force of effect."[/url]


Perhaps this lawmaker in France is right:


Such a vindictive felon. The kind of person that those pardons were intended to protect the recipients from.

imo
 
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  • #571
Spotted my favorite post of the day from a friend online

Clinton made me want to be faithful
Bush made me want to be smarter
Obama made me want to be better
Trump made me want to be Canadian
 
  • #572
Read the Telegraph article about Carney managing finances in the UK. He is not the man who can navigate tariffs any better than a seasoned Canadian politician whose life has always focused on what's best for Canada.

"But the truth is rather less glamorous. Over eight years at the Bank of England, Carney was at best an indifferent Governor, and, at worse, a disappointing failure. Despite his huge salary of more than £600,000 a year, more than any of his predecessors had been paid, he seemed to have little feel for the role. The City quickly nick-named him “the unreliable boyfriend” for his constant changes of direction on interest rates.

He printed too much money in the wake of the financial crisis, and then repeated the mistake all over again in the wake of the referendum on leaving the EU, responding as if he was in the middle of a financial emergency instead of dealing with a minor blip in trading relations. At the same time, regulatory standards were allowed to slide, and the City started to lose its role as one of the major global financial centres, with over-complex rules deterring companies from listing their shares in London.
...

By the time he left office, Carney had created a mess which his successors have struggled to clear up. Inflation spiked up to a peak of 11.1 per cent in the UK, compared to 5.2 per cent in France, or 8 per cent in Italy, hardly a country known for controlling prices effectively, largely because the Bank had printed too much money. "

Matrch 10, 2025
Telegraph

It sounds like he and Trump will be perfect partners in crime. 😖
 
  • #573
Such a vindictive felon. The kind of person that those pardons were intended to protect the recipients from.

imo

It's very ironic. I thought he ran on wanting to stop the weaponization of the justice system against political adversaries?
 
  • #574
What are some ideas of what American people can do? We are protesting, sending emails, sending letters, boycotting, raising heck at Town Hall meetings (that the republicans are now avoiding). I would love to know what else the American people can do. Not being snarky. I would really love some ideas.

Mid-term elections aren't for another year and a half. At this point, congress has a Republican majority who either support Trump or are afraid of Trump and his base. The Democrat (minority in congress) cannot win a vote to make changes.

Edit: adding, for those who don't know, mid-term elections take place midway through a president's term and fills seats in the House and Senate that will be becoming vacant. This is when the majority in Congress can change. If people get out and vote!
Phone calls are better. They are counted. Just saying.

Check before voting (they moved my polling place without notice).

Request mail in ballots early. Mine arrived more than 10 days late and in my state you have to request a new AFTER 10 days.
MOO.
 
  • #575
I went shopping at No Frills this morning. Cantaloupe, seedless red and white grapes and asparagus were all on sale and none are American grown. I am so glad grocery stores are buying from other countries.

I’m hearing so many stories about how some Canadians are being treated by some Americans this March break. This is going to have a massive impact on their tourism industry, not just from Canadians but world wide.
Some Americans? Why on earth would ANY sane American not want Canadians coming here and spending money?

This American is one of millions that welcome you into our country.
Please don't put me in that basket.
 
  • #576
This American is one of millions that welcome you into our country.
Please don't put me in that basket.
Ditto. I saw someone post the other day & it summed up how I think most of us feel.
They said "It feels like we just kicked a golden retriever."
 
  • #577
It sounds like he and Trump will be perfect partners in crime. 😖
My impression, especially given recent claims from Carney that he single-handedly managed the 2008 financial crisis during the Harper government, is that he told the Bank of England that he managed the crisis to get the job. The truth, according to Stephen Harper, is that Jim Flaherty, Minister of Finance, managed the crisis and Carney did what he was told.

Recent news from Carney's as Governor of the Bank of England is that he made a lot of mistakes that continued long after he left the position.

Today, we have Carney presenting himself as a financial wizard who can navigate Canada out of the Trade War using proven financial experience, except that experience seems shaky and based on Flaherty's achievements. Canada has been warned with an article from the Telegraph newspaper that Carney looks great on paper, but he did not deliver.

Canada has to choose between Carney and Poilievre. One, an unelected politician, has a conflict of interest regarding net-zero investments (Brookfield), and his first act as Prime Minister was to stage theatrics of signing an order for media benefit - even though Prime Ministers do not sign orders. The other has been a member of parliament since 2004. His entire life has been devoted to politics and protecting Canada. He has promised to ensure that Canada can move natural resources East, North and West to new trade markets. I doubt his first order of business would be staging theatrics and then running back to London to meet the King.
 
  • #578
Ditto. I saw someone post the other day & it summed up how I think most of us feel.
They said "It feels like we just kicked a golden retriever."
Yeah.

I just have to take it all in small measure. The vengeful actions are just unconscionable. Many of the other EO's are just petty, mean, and self-defeating.

We also have to remember that there is a lot of posturing going on right now as the deadline for all this international tariff stuff is April 2. We won't have much of an idea what other garbage will drop until the reality of April 2 and big reactionary international tariffs begin.

Trump has a history of backing down in the face of blowback so things may well shift again, after a couple weeks of pompous boasting.

A small bit of good news is that in the face of a small stock market rally today, Tesla stock is still losing value. 🐞👺
 
  • #579
I don't know how to address this suffice to say that there is indeed a polar ice cap. I've walked on it and driven on it in BV206 while serving at CFS Alert.

The polar ice cap expands (in winter) and contracts (in summer) every year - and has always done so. When it contracts in spring & summer, ice floes to the south - witness those things like ice bergs floating off the coast of Newfoundland during that time if year (Titanic??).

CFS Alert is named for the HMS Alert which wintered 10km south of the station in winter 1875/76 - so the passages were even open way back then during the season. CFS Alert is located on the very northern tip of Ellesmere Island and is the most northerly permanently inhabited place in the world (by Canadian Military personnel and civilian contractors doing environmental studies and listening to the Ruskies). Arctic Expeditions launch from the Station there as it is the closest to the North Pole at 850ish km away.

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A link to the NASA page on the Polar Ice Cap; about half way down the page, they have the satellite imagery time lapse from 27 Feb - 7 Mar 2025. You'll also notice by the graphs (yearly since 1970) that the Arctic Polar Ice Cap is doing what it usually does (expand and contract) with the seasons.

We have many communities in our north; that's why we have cutters and require them.

And a pic here ... of what it looks like in Alert Bay on July 1st .... that's me polar bear dipping. Even then .... the place is still filled with ice and all those little bergs and floes, freeze back up together in the fall. Outside f the bay, the ice stays in one giant cap ... it breaks up along the shorelins due to tides and the fact that all of those islands are ... solid rock with a lot of cliff faces for it to bounce off of.

Long story short: If we want to see it used as shipping lanes, we're going to have to cut through the passage to do so in winter. And given thatit is the Arctic, you're going to have to have cutters up there even in spring, summer, fall should a freeze occur and any ships become at risk of being frozen in.

Me? My thoughts are, "say no to shipping!" through Canada's north. It's a beautiful and unique environment and ecosystem. But, if we Canadians want that, then we need to put out the doneros to protect it. Currently, our Navy's Harry DeWolf Class Ships are Arctic capable, but we'll need more of them! It's a big Arctic to patrol with all kinds of waterways throughout. And, if you want to patrol and protect it in the winter too, we'd better have cutters there too for ease of doing so ... or else someone else's will be.

IMO.

What an interesting and refreshing post, Vern. That truly looks like a polar bear swim, complete with icebergs 🐻‍❄️🏊‍♂️

Thanks for sharing that with us. This is truly an area I have no understanding of but certainly bears more exposure.🐻‍❄️🐻‍❄️🇨🇦
 
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  • #580
So they finally got themselves a King.. and not just any old King but a combo of 15th century King and Pope.. Good luck, USA.
The irony from a British perspective is that they could have had an Anglo-Canadian style constitutional monarchy, but they've actually ended up with Louis XIV! L'État, c'est moi.

If anyone in America can hear a whirring sound, it's the Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.
 
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