Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025 #3

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From memory, a terrific percentage of Americans felt they were worse off BEFORE Trump took office , the entire nation must be a gathering of moaning, howling, sobbing folks, calling out to Gard for help and relief.... I notice Paula White, the current scammer in charge of religious babbling at the White house, is promising REAL SOLID RETURNS on money she requires you to send in, I think it's a 1000 bucks, and guess what? you get a PROMISE!! yes.,.. a real promise of.. I don't know. a weeks worth of Macdonalds, a month of ice cream and Ben and Jerry's.. all for only $1000... a bargain, ey???

Really.. tell me, honestly,.. do Americans fall for this stuff?? Really??
 
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  • #902
The video is what I’m referring to. It’s something posted by Cindy Garmaise. I don’t know who she is but she’s posting a video making a false claim.
its a video of the Danish Parliament having a laugh. Which they have been doing ,, at Trump, for yonks.. It happens every day Parliament sits, in Copenhagen. It doesn't matter if Americans are offended at the laughter. It has no significance to the Danes, or to anyone else., actually...
 
  • #903
In 1848, Canada most certainly had a name. Canada.🇨🇦

Province of Canada, made up of Upper and Lower Canada. 🇨🇦

1867, Canadian Confederation, the uniting of provinces. 🇨🇦



1812
 
  • #904
its a video of the Danish Parliament having a laugh. Which they have been doing ,, at Trump, for yonks.. It happens every day Parliament sits, in Copenhagen. It doesn't matter if Americans are offended at the laughter. It has no significance to the Danes, or to anyone else., actually...
Perhaps you could provide a proper link to clear things up.

ETA - typo
 
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Respectfully shortened

As I was taught, it had nothing to do with values/ideology (fur trappers and ports on both sides) and everything, with economy, land and power.

First, there was Oregon’s Country. Co-ruled by the US and GB. Who really owned it? Hudson’s Bay, an old monopoly.


Then in 1848 indeed the NW border between US and Canada was drawn on the map along the 49th parallel, with the exception of Vancouver island. Again, less values and more “how do we divide the land between British North and the US?”


What US got south of the border were the territories that now are Oregon, Washington, Idaho, tiny parts of Montana and Wyoming.


What Canada got was mostly BC and Vancouver Island (it makes sense if you drive there, like I did to Banff. BC is a very long state).

At that time, Canada even didn’t have its name. The territory I am talking about was called British North. Canadian confederation with four provinces got its name in 1867. Time-wise, as the country, Canada formed even longer than the US so the culture in different provinces differs.

As to American NW in general, it really grew with the Alaskan gold rush. Then the territories around the huge ports such as Seattle and Vancouver expanded. Jack London wrote about it. There is also in interesting museum in Cashmere, 8 miles East of Leavenworth, WA. One gets an idea how it looked like before the Oregon Treaty.

I think it makes more sense if we look at presidential elections.


The gap was wider in 2016 when all big cities except for Indianapolis voted blue.

Where I live: Western WA is “mostly” progressive, Eastern “mostly” redneck. The distinction is geographical but essentially, the same trend seems to exist in every country. US, Canada, France, Germany. You name it.

Western Washington turned blue with Microsoft and other IT. But any megapolis that has many jobs requiring education eventually turns progressive.

Eastern Washington is behind the Cascades. Different climate, not unlike parts of California. Farmland. More physical distance between people. Here is your redneck area because of the geography and the trade.

I drove to Banff via Seattle-Spokane-Idaho panhandle- crossed the border - a part of BC - Alberta farmland - Banff. And then we drove to Calgary. Tell me if I am wrong, but I thought I noticed the difference between “farmland” BC and “farmland” Alberta. (Yes I did: cell coverage, apps to avoid fires downloadable for BC but not for Alberta). Calgary looked beautiful and “progressive enough”.

BTW, I don’t use “rednecks” negatively. Lots of my great-grandparents were rednecks. I think “culture” is more defined by what climatic and economic conditions people have to survive.


You could drive a truck through some of this history lesson! :cool:
 
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Dbm
 
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  • #907
It isn't only the Danes who fall about laughing at Trump.. the entire United Nation meeting did, when he got up to blither about his wonderfulness.. Don't worry about the Danes laughing. .. there are bigger laughs going on elsewhere..

( no fake, either )
 
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From memory, a terrific percentage of Americans felt they were worse off BEFORE Trump took office , the entire nation must be a gathering of moaning, howling, sobbing folks, calling out to Gard for help and relief.... I notice Paula White, the current scammer in charge of religious babbling at the White house, is promising REAL SOLID RETURNS on money she requires you to send in, I think it's a 1000 bucks, and guess what? you get a PROMISE!! yes.,.. a real promise of.. I don't know. a weeks worth of Macdonalds, a month of ice cream and Ben and Jerry's.. all for only $1000... a bargain, ey???

Really.. tell me, honestly,.. do AMericans fall for this stuff?? Really??
Only the you know who's probably. Plus I never understand how people feel worse off, (oh never mind, I do NOW) or better off depending on who is pres. I mean the regular go to work, improve your standing if needed and able to, financially, people. Obviously if unskilled for whatever reasons, and have low paying jobs here and there, I would think that was on them. I understand the economy regarding businesses and the trickle down, closings, etc, that def. affect. It just makes me think those for people who like t, blame the president/s at THE TIME they feel and are failing in what they would like and how to live. The big economic picture yes, but not the day to day. Now, things are and will be worse than can be imagined for most of the people. Jobs trashed, thousands of them, healthcare, social services, all of it. The human side, the peaceful living in the world side, the fear of war and retribution from p. The psychotic m and t in power. The 'bootlicking' congress and justice department. Just thinking around. There are states that have always been in horrible condition in so many levels for generations in USA. Who is doing that and have always gotten away with it. The ones in the roles of government and economics of those states I'd say. Complicated and horrific. Especially a few of those southern states, a lot of people live deplorably.
 
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Perhaps you could provide a proper link to clear thinks up.
It's a video of Danish Parliament having a laugh. It doesn't show what they are laughing at. It's a joke. An Internet joke. Regardless of whether they are laughing at Trump or at something else, it's still a joke and it's still funny to many of us.
 
  • #912

Yes, it was 2019 and yes that’s when Trump first spoke about buying Greenland.

Thank you Lovely G.

Here’s the BBC article.
 
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  • #913
The video is what I’m referring to. It’s something posted by Cindy Garmaise. I don’t know who she is but she’s posting a video making a false claim.
She's not making a false claim. She's posting a video with a funny caption. We can all do with a little humor these days.
 
  • #914
It's a video of Danish Parliament having a laugh. It doesn't show what they are laughing at. It's a joke. An Internet joke. Regardless of whether they are laughing at Trump or at something else, it's still a joke and it's still funny to many of us.
Fair enough. It should be stated as such. imo
 
  • #915
She's not making a false claim. She's posting a video with a funny caption. We can all do with a little humor these days.
I suppose I got used to the threads being fact based. I always thought random FB pages weren’t allowed.;)
 
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From memory, a terrific percentage of Americans felt they were worse off BEFORE Trump took office , the entire nation must be a gathering of moaning, howling, sobbing folks, calling out to Gard for help and relief.... I notice Paula White, the current scammer in charge of religious babbling at the White house, is promising REAL SOLID RETURNS on money she requires you to send in, I think it's a 1000 bucks, and guess what? you get a PROMISE!! yes.,.. a real promise of.. I don't know. a weeks worth of Macdonalds, a month of ice cream and Ben and Jerry's.. all for only $1000... a bargain, ey???

Really.. tell me, honestly,.. do Americans fall for this stuff?? Really??
No, only a certain subset of Americans gullible enough
 
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In the article there is a table of US national debt year by year with the explanation.


Interesting to look at.

Indeed, each tax cut is accompanied by increased national debt.

But so are wars. Ask how much “war on terror” and “Iraq invasion” cost US taxpayers. (I remember 2002. I was telling people, I saw USSR war on Afghanistan ending. You’ll be stuck there and leave the country to a tribal war. In return, I heard, no, we are bringing them democracy…)

Bush/Cheney’s fiscal policy was abysmal. The 2008-2009 crisis was the result of it.

Fluctuations in oil prices cause increase in national debt.

But then, Obama’s economic policy was bad. Perhaps bailing out banks was wrong. Iceland went the opposite way and it survived. I voted for Obama, so I am responsible.

Trump’s past time was marked by increase in national debt for two reasons: 1) tax break; 2) COVID. (COVID-19 was an objective thing, I suspect that the whole world suffered equally, can’t blame the politicians for not trying. We survived, after all.)

But if you look at Biden’s government spending, it drastically increased the national debt. Again, I voted for him.

So the question is “who did it?” and “where did the money go?”

This being said, I bet if we look at other countries, we’ll see similar patterns.

My conclusion: Solid knowledge of macro- and microeconomics should be a must for any political candidates. They have to take an exam instead of useless debates.
well DJT wants the debt limit raised:

Trump tells Senate GOP he wants a debt limit increase in ...​

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Politico
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5 days ago — Trump tells Senate GOP he wants a debt limit increase in his tax bill. The issue is expected to come up again at a White House meeting on ...


Trump wants to extend US debt ceiling, says he doesn't ...​

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Jan 7, 2025 — President-elect Donald Trump said on Tuesday that he wants the U.S. Congress to extend the nation's debt ceiling, adding that he did not ...

So realize that any single President or resident is not "responsible" for the debt. Congress sets the limit....
 
  • #918
She's not making a false claim. She's posting a video with a funny caption. We can all do with a little humor these days.
Well, this didn’t happen either, but it cracked me up.
From a site called “Humor”
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  • #919

Yes, it was 2019 and yes that’s when Trump first spoke about buying Greenland.

Thank you Lovely G.

Here’s the BBC article.

OK what does one do if he sees a land with many precious and rare metals but it is belonging to another country? Short of not yelling that you are after them, of course.

Exactly…
 
  • #920

This isn't a fake. though... this is from todays headlines...

Now a new poll shows only 23 percent of Americans feel they are better off financially since Trump took office despite his promises to help get the economy back on track.

This is a blow to the current administration considering the same CBS/YouGov polling taken in January shows that 42 percent expected Trump's policies to improve their pocketbooks.

The numbers essentially flipped on their heads with 28 percent of Americans predicting they would be worse off financially with Trump in office compared to the 42 percent who say they are now feeling the squeeze – an increase of 14 percent.

At nearly twice the rate, Americans feel that they are feeling worse off than better off compared to when Trump took office and now.


And economists are now warning that the administration's new tariffs, set to be rolled out on Wednesday, will only worsen the financial state for struggling Americans with prices set to increase on many major goods from cars, to tech to oil and gas.


( the temptation to feel a bit sorry for MAGA voters is not easy to resist, however, I am managing to do that, so far... what a clown show this current USA government is, the cruelty to Americans, as much as it is to everyone else is monumental. And useless. And ridiculous. And despicable . And a clear sign of insanity. )
You know where the problem lies?

You can tell people, you have made a mistake, admit it! They may agree. But then they go home, switch on Fox News and get brainwashed again.
 
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