Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025 #3

[STAGNUM]

He seems to be in great awe of the dictatorship playbook.

Most of them, if not all were/are insane

 

[STAGNUM]

I agree. I so strongly dislike what I am seeing happen.

If you are not a healthy white person, your chances of a 'good life' in the US are growing pretty slim.

Not long ago, I read about Trump telling his nephew that he should let his disabled son die.

Trump told nephew to let his disabled son die, then move to Florida, book says

imo

Trump and Musk have a total lack of empathy. I don't see how anyone with a tiny bit of empathy to their fellow beings can support these guys. I really think it is a disease spreading.

 

[STAGNUM]

But then again, the first answer I read yesterday was, "so, then we can have Obama?" Because, truly, it either applies or it doesn't.

We have two Houses. Which by now should wake up. IMHO.

We should be looking into how to have a recall election.

 

[Lilibet]

Trump will have to go to war, in all it's madness, because it is not something the Danes, or the Greenlanders will give up voluntarily . Any fool could see that a mile off.

Predictably, Trump has declared that he's looking to violate the constitution and remain supreme leader of the USA for more than 2 terms.

Going to war, along with the economic havoc he’s wreaking, is perhaps part of Trump’s plan to reign for more than two terms. The depression and WWII kept FDR in office for four terms to provide “stability,” which is what led to the two term amendment. It would be just like Trump to manufacture these reasons to insist on a third term. Assuming there are even elections in 2028.

JMO

 

[acutename]

Greenland would be wise to remember what this very thread is actually about.

Canada had a Free & Fair Trade Agreement with the United States of America. The USMCA. That agreement was negotiated by, and signed into effect by President Donald J. Trump in 2020. Absolutely ZERO within that negotiated agreement was changed ... until Trump himself forgot he negotiated & signed it. So he breached it. "Deals" and diplomacy mean diddly squat to him or his regime as evidencd by the fact he didn't even bother to ask Canada to renegotiate that agreement.

Greenland: Don't trust TRUMP - he is and always will be a convicted FELON, a liar, an obnoxious dictator-in-the-making who do not giveth an iota about you, me, anyone else who's not a billionaire or the average American or what is "fair".

If he can do what he did to his own country on January 6th 2021, just slam the door firmly in his face exactly as you did with Vance. Lest you too be pillaged and plundered. Just like Canada and Ukraine, he actually wants to "own" it all ... and is not seeking to actually buy any of it. Full up crooked crook.

IMO.

Did the USMCA have any provisions about breeches?

 

[Lilibet]

The resistance has begun in the Senate…

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/31/politics/booker-senate-floor-speech-trump-protest/index.html

New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker has kicked off what is expected to be a marathon speech on the Senate floor to protest actions taken by President Donald Trump’s administration, saying that he will keep going “as long as I am physically able.”


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[keek]

The resistance has begun in the Senate…

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/31/politics/booker-senate-floor-speech-trump-protest/index.html

New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker has kicked off what is expected to be a marathon speech on the Senate floor to protest actions taken by President Donald Trump’s administration, saying that he will keep going “as long as I am physically able.”


Live coverage

I adore him and was my first choice in the initial primary longgggggggggggggggggg ago, before they started dropping out. Loved listening to his common sense, ah so many like him I HOPE can do the same. He started.

 

[Lilibet]

I adore him and was my first choice in the initial primary longgggggggggggggggggg ago, before they started dropping out. Loved listening to his common sense, ah so many like him I HOPE can do the same. He started.

It will be interesting to see if anyone picks it up when he stops…Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobuchar, Adam Schiff…to name a few.

 

[Trooper]

I adore him and was my first choice in the initial primary longgggggggggggggggggg ago, before they started dropping out. Loved listening to his common sense, ah so many like him I HOPE can do the same. He started.

Yes, him and Beto O'Rourke, I still have high hopes for Beto.. I see he is still hitting the hustings with even more enthusiasm, Texans must be nuts to shrug him off!!.. in my opinion,

 

[Snoopster]

So who holds US debt?

Japan, China and UK are the top 3 holders of US debt.
Canada is not far behind. What if UK and Canada sold off some of those bonds? It would drive up interest rates for the US.

Mark Carney (new Canadian Prime Minister) is an economist and former central banker for Canada and the UK. I think he has a few cards up his sleeve.

Trump shouldn't blackmail Canada. Friends don't blackmail friends.

ETA: Who is the US's top customer, supporting a trade surplus in manufactured goods? Canada is. And this is how the US treats them. Shameful.

 

[LovesPeace2]

Going to war, along with the economic havoc he’s wreaking, is perhaps part of Trump’s plan to reign for more than two terms. The depression and WWII kept FDR in office for four terms to provide “stability,” which is what led to the two term amendment. It would be just like Trump to manufacture these reasons to insist on a third term. Assuming there are even elections in 2028.

JMO

There's so many countries building their army's getting ready for war. Even Germany is prepping for it . all this hostility and drama has every country on watch I don't think all this will end well jmvho

 

[Herat]

So who holds US debt?

Japan, China and UK are the top 3 holders of US debt.
Canada is not far behind. What if UK and Canada sold off some of those bonds? It would drive up interest rates for the US.

Mark Carney (new Canadian Prime Minister) is an economist and former central banker for Canada and the UK. I think he has a few cards up his sleeve.

Trump shouldn't blackmail Canada. Friends don't blackmail friends.

ETA: Who is the US's top customer, supporting a trade surplus in manufactured goods? Canada is. And this is how the US treats them. Shameful.

I think the words foolish, stupid, imprudent could also be used.

I do not think these decisions are fact-based, or data-driven, or carefully-considered.

There is far too much personal investment with showboating and braggadocio with Trump. Shoot first and make someone else pick up the pieces.

April 2 seems to be shaping up as a 3-Ring Circus with Trump the whip-cracking Chief Carninval Barker.

 

[Warwick1991]

Trump is repeating a failed strategy tried by US President Herbert Hoover in 1930. With the Smoot-Hawley Act, the US began a trade war that intensified and prolonged the Great Depression.

Trump’s tariff brinkmanship echoes a 1930s mistake - The Boston Globe

President Trump's “Liberation Day” tariffs on the nation’s major trade partners are a surefire way to kick off a trade war.

www.bostonglobe.com

I apologize if the link does not work for some.

From the editorial in the Boston Globe by Kris James Mitchener:

"History suggests this path forward would be a mistake, and a bad one at that. I’ve conducted extensive research on the mother of all trade wars — the one instigated by the United States in 1930 when it passed the infamous Smoot-Hawley tariff. Things did not end well, either for the incumbent president (Herbert Hoover) or the American economy. And it proved harmful for all major economies, not just the United States."

"▪ Canada and Mexico retaliated by imposing duties on American farm and livestock products, including wheat, oats, potatoes, and fresh meat. Ironically, trade legislation aimed at helping farmers ended up shrinking their export markets.

That retaliation hurt the ability of the United States to export to countries it needed to buy its goods."

We are headed down the same path, and taking much of the world with us.

 

[Trooper]

Cory Booker is still at it!!

 

[otto]

Idk, but sort of has to be, when looking at the last section and the private investors bit?

Moo
dbm - made sense in my head just not typed out

That's what I thought too - special investor privilege for anyone who has a billion dollars to steal natural resources regardless of consequences. Is some of that money is for Greenland?

I really don't understand how the president is able to sit in his office and dictate changes to every aspect of the country. He seems completely separate from the elected government.

 

[Lilibet]

I really don't understand how the president is able to sit in his office and dictate changes to every aspect of the country. He seems completely separate from the elected government.

He has definitely separated himself from the elected government (Congress). He’s losing a lot of court cases but it appears he will just do what he wants anyway. I kind of think that some of his dictates are written and given him to sign by his henchmen. JMO

 

[Trooper]

I read that South Korea, and Japan, have combined with China, to combat Trump's ridiculous tariff garbage.. I thought it was an April Fool thing , what could possibly make South Korea and Japan ALIGN themselves with China, some cataclysmic event, and well. ... that's how it is. That is actually what has occurred.. .that is one hell of a combination, China's huge 1.4 billion astute customers, South Korea's enormous savvy technically advanced mob, and Japan, disciplined, cohesive and clever..

Opinion | In a broken world, China-Japan-Korea cooperation is Asia’s backbone

By blending economic might, technological prowess and cultural bonds, cooperation can be elevated into a transformative, inspiring force.

www.scmp.com

China, Japan, South Korea will jointly respond to US tariffs, Chinese state media says

China, Japan and South Korea agreed to jointly respond to U.S. tariffs, a social media account affiliated with Chinese state media said on Monday, an assertion Seoul called "somewhat exaggerated", while Tokyo said there was no such discussion.

www.reuters.com

 

[Charlot123]

I agree. I so strongly dislike what I am seeing happen.

If you are not a healthy white person, your chances of a 'good life' in the US are growing pretty slim.

Not long ago, I read about Trump telling his nephew that he should let his disabled son die.

Trump told nephew to let his disabled son die, then move to Florida, book says

imo

I am not that shocked. What I didn’t understand from the article is whether Donald shelled out some money for Fred III or not?

I have read Mary Trump’s book. Mary is the sister of Fred III. In short, it all comes down to old rift between the children of Fred II Trump and the rest of the family.

It all started with Fred Trump’s will. A complicated thing, but via a set of trusts and annuities his wealth was distributed between his four surviving children. Fred II Trump, Fred III and Mary’s father, was dead by that time. As there were no separate provisions for grandchildren made, it essentially left Mary and Fred III disinherited. But they were provided with “something” via Trump Organization. That something included health insurance which was important for Fred III whose child had cerebral palsy and seizures. (Mary lost the insurance part when she wrote her book, but I may be mistaken here). Understanding Mary and Fred III’s unhappiness with the situation, I’d venture to guess that the will is exactly what the old Trumps wanted.

The immigrant nouveau riches’ mentality. They expected their children to overachieve. Eventually, the children did, but not Fred. His choice to become a pilot was a “step down” in his parents’ eyes; his choice of a wife, an air hostess, was a step down. He died from alcoholism. Proceed from here. The rest of the children didn’t fail the expectations.

Now, I understand that when Fred III called uncle Don it was probably because the care for his child ran through all insurance. To understand the feelings of the parents of any disabled child is impossible unless you are in the same shoes. The parental guilt, the fear, the battle. It is a hopeless cause, but the loving parents choose to invest the time, the money, in the hope that maybe, one day…Gene surgery, I guess?

But Donald Trump had not walked that way with them. So what he was saying was, “it is a hopeless cause, why?” (He can’t understand that the desperate father needs the money and also, wants to hear that there will be hope, one day.)

So to me, it would be important to know if at least Fred III got financial help from uncle Donald as the result of that call, or none at all?

 

[Charlot123]

Most of them, if not all were/are insane

To be fair, not all. Franco was smart enough not to align himself with the Axis. But one can’t “choose” a dictator.

i just read this article about big dutch companies who do business with the US already preparing for US regulations around DEI policy. it’s sad to see that some of these (unnamed) businesses will probably comply. i would hope businesses would take a stand.. but i guess business is business for them. and it’s saddening that this intimidation and bullying from trump seems to work in cases like this.

the article goes more in depth but i copier and translated a small part!

Nederlandse bedrijven bereiden zich voor op diversiteitsverbod Trump

Voor zover bekend zijn er door de Amerikaanse ambassade in Nederland nog geen brieven aan bedrijven verstuurd, zoals VS-ambassades elders in Europa al wel hebben gedaan.

nos.nl

Dutch companies are preparing for strict US regulations on diversity, equality and inclusiveness. The reason is an executive order from President Trump. He demands that EU companies that want to do business with the US government put a stop to their diversity policies.

NOS spoke with some large companies doing business in the US and with employers' organization VNO NCW.

[…]

NOS talked about it with some of the big Dutch companies. They did not want to be named. Some companies find it difficult to determine their position.

One company says it obviously follows the laws of the country in which it operates. “But in the end, we ourselves are the ones who decide who we hire in the U.S.”

Another company says you have to bring in diversity for the quality of decisions. But the same company also says it does not rule out changing its written-down diversity goals.

Employers' organization VNO NCW confirms the view. “This certainly leads to upheaval at companies,” says a spokesman.

"It is pure intimidation," says Mijntje Luckerath, professor of corporate governance at Tilburg University. She wrote the book "Moral dilemmas in the boardroom”. The White House's anti-diversity requirement leads to such a dilemma, according to Luckerath.

"It's very easy to say you have to stand firm with your diversity and inclusion policy. But when you know that you're losing contracts as a result, it becomes a complicated matter. It's not just about money, it also affects your employees."

So. I don’t know what it means when they hire new people, but what do they do with already existing DEI people? For example, one of •now actively persecuted minorities• is a talented programmer already employed by a Dutch company. Are they going to fire a person for being DEI? Or is it not required? Yet?

The difference might be between “ceasing to be politically correct” and targeting people.

 

[SouthAussie]

So. I don’t know what it means when they hire new people, but what do they do with already existing DEI people? For example, one of •now actively persecuted minorities• is a talented programmer already employed by a Dutch company. Are they going to fire a person for being DEI? Or is it not required? Yet?

The smart companies have been renaming/rebranding their DEI programs. Changing the language, and keeping the intent.

In Trump era, companies are rebranding DEI efforts, not giving up