Casey Anthony Legal Defense Strategies #2

[Aedrys]

LOL please testify Casey! And yes, I agree with your comments about her anger management issues.

Yep, we all know how much this girl just CANNOT shut up along with her anger issues. She is going to be her own worst enemy at trial.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Yep, we all know how much this girl just CANNOT shut up along with her anger issues. She is going to be her own worst enemy at trial.

Shall we start a poll? If I knew how to do that I would....
Will Casey testify? I say a resounding NO. There is no way they could let her get up and be cross examined. She can't keep her stories straight now, what would it be like in Court?

 

[Aedrys]

Shall we start a poll? If I knew how to do that I would....
Will Casey testify? I say a resounding NO. There is no way they could let her get up and be cross examined. She can't keep her stories straight now, what would it be like in Court?

I definitely think they'll try their best to convince her not to. But if she gets angry enough, I think she will defy them and get on that stand. They cannot prevent her from getting up there if she really wants to get up there and tell her story.

It would be the stupidest move she's ever made, and like I said, I think the defense will do their damndest to convince her not to. The question, then, is whether she will believe them the whole trial and not get up there.

 

[LC446]

I keep reading these threads and seeing a number of posters who believe this was an "accidental death".
However, what I haven't seen is anyone post a scenario that makes accidental believable.
How does anyone explain the defense looking for SODDI, the hits on the back yard, the decomp in the trunk, the matching bags, the duct tape, the nanny stories, the dumping of the car, the not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days, the imaginary phone call from Caylee the day the LE started investigating Casey, the imaginary job, and leaving your child so close to home for six months so that the crime scene is so degraded, the tattoo, the lack of remorse or sadness during the jail visit videos, etc. This is a very shortened list.

So, I am sincerely asking. Because the only way I can see the Defense coming up with any defense at all, is to attack the forensic evidence and to come with an accidental death explanation. With a defendant who will refuse to testify.

Will someone please post a 'proposed defense" I can consider. I don't believe the choice for the jury will either be the death penalty or accidental, I think it will be guilty or not guilty. And I just can't see a not guilty charge happening, with what we know to date.

Remember Baez said we will all understand what happened, at trial.

I agree! I too have asked the persons who believe it was an accident to give me a plausible explanation of how the evidence we have so far fits that scenario and I haven't gotten one. So I tried to come up with one of my own and this is what I came up with so far...

Caylee died by some accident (pool) while Casey was being negligent (on the phone, computer). She realizes what has happened and begins trying to cover up what happened by coming up with a scenario that will garner her the most sympathy and make the focus on her. So she comes up with pretending that Caylee was kidnapped by the nanny because parents of missing children are generally treated with much sympathy. The problem with this so far is that it doesn't explain the computer searches, not reporting her missing and the partying.

Ok, so let's say she freaks and puts the duct tape on her face to make it look like a kidnapping and dumps her near suburban. The problem with this is that she used items from the house (tape, bags). So this would mean the kidnapper had to have access to her house.

This is as far as I've been able to make it...because IMO trying to come up with some accident theory that fits ALL of the situation is next to impossible! It makes my head hurt!

That's why I think we will not be hearing about an accident theory from the defense. I believe they will continue to look for others on which to place the blame.

 

[nort]

Yes, I agree - however can the personality disorders be brought in on the guilt or innocent phase or in the penalty phase.
My understanding is, although I could be wrong, she has been declared competent to stand trial. So I'm not seeing the defense being able to claim "somewhat crazy". In fact although I stated above that I think this will be a guilty or innocent(not guilty) trial, I actually believe it will be a guilty of murder 1 or aggravated manslaughter and there isn't a whole lot of difference in the sentencing, if you leave out the DP.

I'm not arguing not guilty at all, since I've seen nothing to say she isn't guilty, however I was just asking the true proponents of "accidental" to lay out a convincing sequence that I could consider and perhaps find believable.

They wont be able to claim crazy but they could use her personality disorders to explain away her bad behavior. As far as what the accident was she could say anything because there is no proven cause of death. IMO

 

[nort]

Shall we start a poll? If I knew how to do that I would....
Will Casey testify? I say a resounding NO. There is no way they could let her get up and be cross examined. She can't keep her stories straight now, what would it be like in Court?

I beleive your poll would prove your point again the other team has not shown up to the game its an easy win so far.

 

[logicalgirl]

I agree! I too have asked the persons who believe it was an accident to give me a plausible explanation of how the evidence we have so far fits that scenario and I haven't gotten one. So I tried to come up with one of my own and this is what I came up with so far...

Caylee died by some accident (pool) while Casey was being negligent (on the phone, computer). She realizes what has happened and begins trying to cover up what happened by coming up with a scenario that will garner her the most sympathy and make the focus on her. So she comes up with pretending that Caylee was kidnapped by the nanny because parents of missing children are generally treated with much sympathy. The problem with this so far is that it doesn't explain the computer searches, not reporting her missing and the partying.

Ok, so let's say she freaks and puts the duct tape on her face to make it look like a kidnapping and dumps her near suburban. The problem with this is that she used items from the house (tape, bags).

This is as far as I've been able to make it...because IMO trying to come up with some accident theory that fits ALL of the situation is next to impossible! It makes my head hurt!

That's why I think we will not be hearing about an accident theory from the defense. I believe they will continue to look for others on which to place the blame.

Agree with all of the above - plus what I can' t make sense of all of it PLUS carrying little Caylee's dead body around in the trunk of her car to me just does not make sense. This was her daughter for heavens sake. The accidental folks also claim Casey loved Caylee and was a good mother.

 

[nort]

I agree! I too have asked the persons who believe it was an accident to give me a plausible explanation of how the evidence we have so far fits that scenario and I haven't gotten one. So I tried to come up with one of my own and this is what I came up with so far...

Caylee died by some accident (pool) while Casey was being negligent (on the phone, computer). She realizes what has happened and begins trying to cover up what happened by coming up with a scenario that will garner her the most sympathy and make the focus on her. So she comes up with pretending that Caylee was kidnapped by the nanny because parents of missing children are generally treated with much sympathy. The problem with this so far is that it doesn't explain the computer searches, not reporting her missing and the partying.

Ok, so let's say she freaks and puts the duct tape on her face to make it look like a kidnapping and dumps her near suburban. The problem with this is that she used items from the house (tape, bags). So this would mean the kidnapper had to have access to her house.

This is as far as I've been able to make it...because IMO trying to come up with some accident theory that fits ALL of the situation is next to impossible! It makes my head hurt!

That's why I think we will not be hearing about an accident theory from the defense. I believe they will continue to look for others on which to place the blame.

I would claim the computer searches for chloroform were because of her friends computer image and that perhaps that led to household weapons, self defense neckbreaking and so on. Chloroform could be a household weapon as it can be made. (I dont believe she ever made it) I have searched on my computer and have ended up with plenty of things I did not count on. The rest of the evidence from the house would fall into she wrapped her up . The nanny story is already dead its never going to fly and I'm sure her attorneys are well aware of that. That just makes her liar..and we already know that. IMO

 

[nort]

Agree with all of the above - plus what I can' t make sense of all of it PLUS carrying little Caylee's dead body around in the trunk of her car to me just does not make sense. This was her daughter for heavens sake. The accidental folks also claim Casey loved Caylee and was a good mother.

Not this accidental folk..and again I dont beleive it but I think the defense has to try something. She did not know what to do with the body I dont think she thinks very far ahead of her actions. I think she was trying to form a plan but the decomp started and she made a rash decision. I dont think she counted on all that especially after she wrapped her the way she did.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

If it were an accident and she were trying to cover it up by making it look like a kidnapping (duct tape) then wouldn't she have immediately gone into the "OMGosh, Help, Help, Help me please. Someone's kidnapped my daughter" mode?

 

[chefmom]

Ok, guys! I got one! In March of 2008, KC decides to have a talk with her dad about the abuse he has wreaked upon her these many years and let him know that it must end once and for all. She quietly approaches him in the study where he is on the computer and sees that he is looking at websites for making household weapons and chloroform. Fearing for the safety of herself and her young child, as well as her mother, she starts making plans for a getaway. She knew her father had a bad temper and a short fuse as he had thrown his own father through a plate glass window in the past. So she starts to put together some getaway money. Unfortunately, the only way she could get this money was to steal it from her family and friends. She had almost put the money together and was preparing to leave when a big fight broke out on the 15th of June. Her mother had caught her stealing from her grandmother and was angry. KC couldn't tell her why she had done it because her dad was standing right there. He grabbed KC by the throat and shoved her against the wall and she fled, leaving little Caylee behind. She ran to her brothers house a few blocks away, almost being caught by a friend who saw her "jogging" that day. She didn't want to see anyone as upset as she was. She stayed with her brother and his roommate that night and went the next day to get her clothes and her car. No one was home. She tried unsuccessfully over the next few weeks to get little Caylee from her parents, but her dad kept telling her that she was an unfit mother and couldn't see her anymore. Her car started to stink a few days after leaving the house and she returned home for some cleaning materials. Upon finding none in the garage, she returned with TonE and broke into the shed, where she helped herself to some gas. However, the next day when she went to return the cans, she met up with her dad who was angry that she was there and showed her that the smell was Caylee, who he had bagged and placed in her trunk. He threatened her and told her that if she didn't say the nanny had taken Caylee, he would harm her, CA, and LA and then do himself in. He told her to leave the car at Amscot and he would take care of everything. KC stayed away from the house, hiding out with her boyfriend until CA caught up with her that fateful evening. CA had been under the impression that KC had picked Caylee up the very next morning after the fight. Her dad must have done something to little Caylee and placed her in KC's trunk the evening of or morning after the big fight. KC could never tell anyone what had actually happened because she was now locked up and her dad was out there with her mom and brother. When she said she was protecting the family she meant from him.

Ok. Not saying I find this plausible, just one of the ways the defense could try to twist things around.

 

[shotgun09]

If it were an accident and she were trying to cover it up by making it look like a kidnapping (duct tape) then wouldn't she have immediately gone into the "OMGosh, Help, Help, Help me please. Someone's kidnapped my daughter" mode?

On that note, this makes no sense, EXCEPT, I wonder if the JB gang will take this theory and run with it, using the "poor poor Casey story" regarding her horrific "fear" of telling her own Mother. I opine that this may be what they are trying to say, since they have put motions forth regarding keeping their penalty phase info out of the trial phase. They are planning the big bus roll against CA during the penalty phase, using an accident gone crazy theory as the defense.

 

[nort]

If it were an accident and she were trying to cover it up by making it look like a kidnapping (duct tape) then wouldn't she have immediately gone into the "OMGosh, Help, Help, Help me please. Someone's kidnapped my daughter" mode?

No they may have found Caylee too early and the real cause of death and perhaps the smoking gun evidence were looking for might have been found. She was stalling the searching as much as she could 31 days worth. They will throw up her dysfunctional family and her personality disorders to expain why she couldnt bring herself to admitting she was neglectful. She has never taken responsibilty for anything wrong she has done and they will explain that didnt change even under these circumstances. IMO

 

[LambChop]

KC's trifecta: I was on my way to work like any normal day, stopping to drop Caylee off with the Nanny at Sawgrass. She was not there so I ran over to JBP and that is when Nanny knocked me down, sippy cup gang running off with Caylee. I was running late because I had to meet TL so I thought I could handle this later. I called Nanny told her it was okay that she had Caylee because I was planning to leave town anyway and she was actually doing me a favor and Nanny agreed to keep Caylee until I could steal....I mean get enough money together. But, as normal, things just kept coming up, the beer, I needed some new clothes for my beautiful life and, oh, my tattoo. So, I thought everything was just okay, hunky dorey so to speak but we all know what happened.....just can't get good help these days. FYI: This is the new theme for my book...the one after "What it's like to be ME."

jmo

 

[logicalgirl]

No they may have found Caylee too early and the real cause of death and perhaps the smoking gun evidence were looking for might have been found. She was stalling the searching as much as she could 31 days worth. They will throw up her dysfunctional family and her personality disorders to expain why she couldnt bring herself to admitting she was neglectful. She has never taken responsibilty for anything wrong she has done and they will explain that didnt change even under these circumstances. IMO

Maybe in the penalty phase for sentencing this information could be brought up, but they would would be admitting aggravated manslaughter then wouldn't they? And that carries a thirty year sentence.

I can see this might be a win for A.Lyon.

 

[shotgun09]

I agree, that running with the 'accident' theory makes the most sense at this point for the defense. The withholding of info regarding the whereabouts of Caylee was not done out of malice, but out of fear of her Mother, whom she avoided at all costs.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I agree! I too have asked the persons who believe it was an accident to give me a plausible explanation of how the evidence we have so far fits that scenario and I haven't gotten one. So I tried to come up with one of my own and this is what I came up with so far...

Caylee died by some accident (pool) while Casey was being negligent (on the phone, computer). She realizes what has happened and begins trying to cover up what happened by coming up with a scenario that will garner her the most sympathy and make the focus on her. So she comes up with pretending that Caylee was kidnapped by the nanny because parents of missing children are generally treated with much sympathy. The problem with this so far is that it doesn't explain the computer searches, not reporting her missing and the partying.

Ok, so let's say she freaks and puts the duct tape on her face to make it look like a kidnapping and dumps her near suburban. The problem with this is that she used items from the house (tape, bags). So this would mean the kidnapper had to have access to her house.

This is as far as I've been able to make it...because IMO trying to come up with some accident theory that fits ALL of the situation is next to impossible! It makes my head hurt!

That's why I think we will not be hearing about an accident theory from the defense. I believe they will continue to look for others on which to place the blame.

IF she sticks with the Zanny story she already set it up that Zanny had access to the house because she had a key:sick: If she is going with SODDI defense then I don't know how she would explain access to the house.

 

[logicalgirl]

Ok, guys! I got one! In March of 2008, KC decides to have a talk with her dad about the abuse he has wreaked upon her these many years and let him know that it must end once and for all. She quietly approaches him in the study where he is on the computer and sees that he is looking at websites for making household weapons and chloroform. Fearing for the safety of herself and her young child, as well as her mother, she starts making plans for a getaway. She knew her father had a bad temper and a short fuse as he had thrown his own father through a plate glass window in the past. So she starts to put together some getaway money. Unfortunately, the only way she could get this money was to steal it from her family and friends. She had almost put the money together and was preparing to leave when a big fight broke out on the 15th of June. Her mother had caught her stealing from her grandmother and was angry. KC couldn't tell her why she had done it because her dad was standing right there. He grabbed KC by the throat and shoved her against the wall and she fled, leaving little Caylee behind. She ran to her brothers house a few blocks away, almost being caught by a friend who saw her "jogging" that day. She didn't want to see anyone as upset as she was. She stayed with her brother and his roommate that night and went the next day to get her clothes and her car. No one was home. She tried unsuccessfully over the next few weeks to get little Caylee from her parents, but her dad kept telling her that she was an unfit mother and couldn't see her anymore. Her car started to stink a few days after leaving the house and she returned home for some cleaning materials. Upon finding none in the garage, she returned with TonE and broke into the shed, where she helped herself to some gas. However, the next day when she went to return the cans, she met up with her dad who was angry that she was there and showed her that the smell was Caylee, who he had bagged and placed in her trunk. He threatened her and told her that if she didn't say the nanny had taken Caylee, he would harm her, CA, and LA and then do himself in. He told her to leave the car at Amscot and he would take care of everything. KC stayed away from the house, hiding out with her boyfriend until CA caught up with her that fateful evening. CA had been under the impression that KC had picked Caylee up the very next morning after the fight. Her dad must have done something to little Caylee and placed her in KC's trunk the evening of or morning after the big fight. KC could never tell anyone what had actually happened because she was now locked up and her dad was out there with her mom and brother. When she said she was protecting the family she meant from him.

Ok. Not saying I find this plausible, just one of the ways the defense could try to twist things around.

Chefmom! Good work! So Casey, who has never lifted a finger to clean her car before realized it stunk and went home to get some cleaning products at which point George showed her it was Caylee whose body was making the smell. But Casey hadn't popped the trunk for anything before then? Umm, were the remains still in the trunk at that point and who slung them just off road a block or so away?
So if Casey was following George's orders, she had time to place some of Tony's garbage in the trunk before she dropped the car off at Amscott?

So the welfare of CA and Lee were more important to her than her grief over the loss of her daughter? If someone killed a child of mine - and I knew it - nothing would stand in the way of my anger and grief - nothing!
She could have gone to the OCPD, explained the situation, have them pick up George, and there's the issue of safety solved.

But excellent try, thanks.:blowkiss:

 

[nort]

Maybe in the penalty phase for sentencing this information could be brought up, but they would would be admitting aggravated manslaughter then wouldn't they? And that carries a thirty year sentence.

I can see this might be a win for A.Lyon.

It would be a win for Casey as well no death penalty. I think they know there will be charges, they are just trying to save her life. I dont see Casey making it in general population if thats where she ends up. There are people in there that feel the same way we do and they are not afraid of getting in trouble I think she will get hurt, badly. IMO

 

[LambChop]

Chefmom! Good work! So Casey, who has never lifted a finger to clean her car before realized it stunk and went home to get some cleaning products at which point George showed her it was Caylee whose body was making the smell. But Casey hadn't popped the trunk for anything before then? Umm, were the remains still in the trunk at that point and who slung them just off road a block or so away?
So if Casey was following George's orders, she had time to place some of Tony's garbage in the trunk before she dropped the car off at Amscott?

So the welfare of CA and Lee were more important to her than her grief over the loss of her daughter? If someone killed a child of mine - and I knew it - nothing would stand in the way of my anger and grief - nothing!
She could have gone to the OCPD, explained the situation, have them pick up George, and there's the issue of safety solved.

But excellent try, thanks.:blowkiss:

GA is ex-LE...he would have torched the car.