CASO records

[dexter75]

There's a police report on file? With all that is stated here?

They were not just "across the street". Not sure where you're getting your info, but it is all in the reports.

JS was being choked and badly beaten and feared for her life to the point she called police for help but yet the story is twisted so badly that, once again, SA is the victim in it? That is what really makes no sense!

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[dexter75]

IMO,

LE in this case, needed no help whatsoever and that negative light would have been a shinin' regardless.
All Ricciardi did, was flip on the switch.

Is this why MaM were so one-sided against LE? Were they just miffed that LE didn't want a bar of their film? Neither Teresa's family or friends wanted anything to do with it. Explains why they were cast in such a negative light.

I believe the report regarding Laura (whats-her-name-again?) Starts on page 974.

 

[missy1974]

There's a police report on file? With all that is stated here?

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CASO-Investigative-Report.pdf#page=953

this is a transcription of an interview with Jodi (I like the transcriptions better than the summaries ;-) ) She talks about this incident, which is actually not news, we knew about this, I think from other court documents. This is also where she said "they were parked across the street" (meaning the cops)

ETA: oops, you said police report LOL no... I couldn't find one, and couldn't find that he was even charged (weird eh?)

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Hey BCA, hope all is ok, I was going to send out a search party if I didn't see you tonight LOL

Thing is.... this fire thing, there is so many different stories and versions and times, it's crazy. I wish I had more time, I would try to track them all with the new info (and I'm hoping someone else will because I have read other summaries, but now with new info, I would like to see it all together... I wonder if this is what Zellner's team has been doing too? LOL) Randant says he saw the fire at 4:30, but Earl and Fabian didn't see it... the boys didn't either at that time, even ST said it was later that night. Smelly guy, said he 'heard' and 'smelled' it on the 1st.

I still think.... those bones were moved there, and it's regardless of who is guilty, whether it be SA or someone trying to frame him. There is just so much wrong with that burn pit and lack of documentation. If smelly guy did hear and smell it on the 1st, I would have been looking for a burn site closer to his property, even if you think SA was guilty, would it be that 'out there' that he took her off the property to burn her? I do think that if the prosecution conceded that they could have been moved there, they open up the 'reasonable doubt', so that just couldn't happen.

Anyway.... good to have you back I've been busy the last few days as well, so I haven't even gone back to look at phone records and try to make some sense of it all *sigh*

Thanks for the well wishes, on our way to recovery. Going back to hospital tonight. I've only got to the 1st hundred pages or so. Being that JR was so close to the scene and could have had easy access to Avery land--I wonder why he wasn't checked out further. He also had access to the land during the investigation. Who knows~~SA might have said an off comment to JR about buying up his land or something and gave JR a motive to setup SA. (assuming SA is not guilty, for the record I still think he is) You know those neighborly fights can get pretty ugly. I haven't seen much about him other than his cooperation, I would loved to have seen LE check him out more thoroughly, maybe they did but I just haven't gotten that far yet.

 

[missy1974]

Thanks for the well wishes, on our way to recovery. Going back to hospital tonight. I've only got to the 1st hundred pages or so. Being that JR was so close to the scene and could have had easy access to Avery land--I wonder why he wasn't checked out further. He also had access to the land during the investigation. Who knows~~SA might have said an off comment to JR about buying up his land or something and gave JR a motive to setup SA. (assuming SA is not guilty, for the record I still think he is) You know those neighborly fights can get pretty ugly. I haven't seen much about him other than his cooperation, I would loved to have seen LE check him out more thoroughly, maybe they did but I just haven't gotten that far yet.

:hug:

I have not read anything yet, if I do, I will be sure to share! I have not found any reason for him to have been on the property during the search either, no record of it .... not yet anyway.

Other than the he said/she said reports.... there is some other issues that I will try to figure out before I post them (and thankfully, there are others at reddit that have logged some very good information), but I like to check things out for myself first LOL The burn barrels are a mess.... #4 was taken away from the property, processed, returned to the Avery property, then back to the lab... WHAT?WHAT? It's so very confusing! LOL

They did take a barrel from Randant's deer camp, we knew this though... but following the reports, it's so confusing about what came from what barrel. There was also a bloodhound that tracked from the trailer, through the randant quarry (behind SA/Barb's) and ended at Kuss Rd. Again... I need to do some more reading and see what came of that, if anything.


ETA: I know you think he is guilty, but I do appreciate your openmindedness (is that a word? it's underlined haha) and I like that you are willing to look at the information I do have my moments that I think he did it.... then I scroll and read another page and go pffft LOL

 

[LifeCitizen]

See you when you get back BCA. Best wishes.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

See you when you get back BCA. Best wishes.

Thank you LifeCitizen! Thank you to all my fellow sleuthers. My daughter was in a terrible car accident, she has a cracked vertebrae. From the looks of it---everything seems positive! We will have final prognosis tomorrow and hopefully no surgery. My work has been fantastic--given the time of year. Everyone has been so supportive! I'm sleuthing at the hospital--now that I've caught up on sleep!!! She is resting comfortably! Ok--now on to sleuthing!

 

[BigCityAccountant]

:hug:

I have not read anything yet, if I do, I will be sure to share! I have not found any reason for him to have been on the property during the search either, no record of it .... not yet anyway.

Other than the he said/she said reports.... there is some other issues that I will try to figure out before I post them (and thankfully, there are others at reddit that have logged some very good information), but I like to check things out for myself first LOL The burn barrels are a mess.... #4 was taken away from the property, processed, returned to the Avery property, then back to the lab... WHAT?WHAT? It's so very confusing! LOL

They did take a barrel from Randant's deer camp, we knew this though... but following the reports, it's so confusing about what came from what barrel. There was also a bloodhound that tracked from the trailer, through the randant quarry (behind SA/Barb's) and ended at Kuss Rd. Again... I need to do some more reading and see what came of that, if anything.


ETA: I know you think he is guilty, but I do appreciate your openmindedness (is that a word? it's underlined haha) and I like that you are willing to look at the information I do have my moments that I think he did it.... then I scroll and read another page and go pffft LOL

I got to the bloodhound part--but it was very confusing. Seemed like they tracked it and crime lab came over--but no mention of the outcome after that--or did I miss that somewhere? Then there seemed to be a report of a vehicle near Kuss road--did I read that right??? ..and then an area which appeared to be a shallow grave--which turned out not to be? All seemed a little strange to me. I'll have to go back through and read that again. Maybe I missed something.

To me---really I don't care if SA did it or someone else. What is important to me is that a beautiful young lady lost her life at the hands of a monster(anyone who can take the life of another human to me is a monster) That person needs to be held accountable for their actions. Whether that is SA, BC, ST, RH,anyone in the Avery family, or even someone who has not been mentioned. If they get away with it once--it won't stop---what beautiful young ladywill be next? It might be 5 years from now 10 or 20. This person needs to be locked up and the key thrown away. Right now, all of the evidence points to one person--but there was motive for LE to set him up and flaws in the investigation. Does that mean he is innocent? To me--no. I need to see concrete proof that he wasn't involved before I change my mind. But I want to help in the search for the truth. I loveTricia's quote Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. Buddha SO TRUE SO TRUE SO TRUE

 

[missy1974]

BCA ~ I'm not sure that all of those Kuss Rd things have been tied together or if they are separate, it's all very confusing because nothing goes together, and actually, I see now that not only was there MTSO reports, CASO reports, but there are DCI reports that we don't have now too (and I'm not sure if anyone has requested them), I can't believe they weren't all in one file, it all seems so confusing and convoluted (on purpose?lol)

I have such a nagging feeling about CA now after reading these reports, there is nothing new that we didn't already know about I don't think, but there is just something.

 

[Jaiddie]

Thank you LifeCitizen! Thank you to all my fellow sleuthers. My daughter was in a terrible car accident, she has a cracked vertebrae. From the looks of it---everything seems positive! We will have final prognosis tomorrow and hopefully no surgery. My work has been fantastic--given the time of year. Everyone has been so supportive! I'm sleuthing at the hospital--now that I've caught up on sleep!!! She is resting comfortably! Ok--now on to sleuthing!

So sorry to hear about your daughter and am very happy to hear that you are getting positive feedback on her condition. I know how scary it can be to find out your child was in a car accident. My oldest son was in one, a few years back, on his way home from work (he worked the 3rd shift and the girl he was rideshared with fell asleep at the wheel) and ultimately ended up having to have 47 stitches in his face. Though he is fine now, it was absolutely one of the most petrifying experiences of my life, so I understand what you are going through and my prayers are with you and your family right now.

 

[ZOOL]

<sbm>
[...] this fire thing, there is so many different stories and versions and times, it's crazy. I wish I had more time, I would try to track them all with the new info (and I'm hoping someone else will because I have read other summaries, but now with new info, I would like to see it all together... I wonder if this is what Zellner's team has been doing too? LOL) Randant says he saw the fire at 4:30, but Earl and Fabian didn't see it... the boys didn't either at that time, even ST said it was later that night. Smelly guy, said he 'heard' and 'smelled' it on the 1st.

I still think.... those bones were moved there, and it's regardless of who is guilty, whether it be SA or someone trying to frame him. There is just so much wrong with that burn pit and lack of documentation. If smelly guy did hear and smell it on the 1st, I would have been looking for a burn site closer to his property, even if you think SA was guilty, would it be that 'out there' that he took her off the property to burn her? I do think that if the prosecution conceded that they could have been moved there, they open up the 'reasonable doubt', so that just couldn't happen.

page 79 (Randant observation)

RADANDT stated on Monday,10131/05 at approximately 4:30 p.m., he drove up to his deer camp off of Kuss Road through his gravel pit and observed a fire in the proximity of STEVEN AVERY's residence or on the AVERY property. JOSHUA RADANDT completed a written statement form. (See exhibit section). RADANDT informed Inv. STEIER on Monday shortly after 4:30 p.m., RADANDT was driving to his deer camp through his quarry where he observed a large fire on the STEVEN AVERY property located by the red house. RADANDT indicates he remembers it being right after 4:30 because he had had an employee that had just come to work to take another employee's shift at 4:30 p.m. RADANDT indicated it was a partly cloudy or partly sunny day and he had clear visibility from his location while he was driving to his deer camp. RADANDT indicated he did not observe any people standing next to the fire or any vehicles located on the AVERY properly.

page 289 (Metz observation)

[METZ] indicated that on 11/01/05 at approximately 1730 hours, he had been feeding cattle on his property. He stated he heard a loud "whoosh', and indicated it reminded him of incidents where he had poured gasoline or other highly volatile substances on a fire.

METZ stated that approximately 10 minutes later, he smelled something that was similar to wires burning; however, he indicated the smell was not that. He was unable to describe it but stated it was a very vile smell. He stated the cows had gotten very spooked and he could not get the cows back under control and they had damaged fences.

page 208-209 (Robert Fabian)
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ROBERT FABIAN informed investigators on Monday night, 10131105, ROBERT arrived at the AVERY AUTO SALVAGE yard at approximately 4:30 p.m....After being unsuccessful, EARL and ROBERT proceed back up into the yard and drive down Avery Road toward the residence of STEVEN AVERY....ROBERT indicates STEVEN had changed his clothes. It has appeared STEVEN has cleaned up. STEVEN is now wearing a white short sleeve t-shirt and blue jean shorts. ROBERT FABIAN observes something different in STEVEN AVERY's behavior. ROBERT FABIAN describes STEVEN's behavior as different and more quiet....

ppg 236-238 (Earl Avery)
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[...]On Monday, 10/31/05, EARL states at approximately 4:30 p.m., he sees his brother-in-law, ROBERT FABIAN, in the yard of AVERY'S AUTO SALVAGE...After finding no rabbits to hunt in the lower pit, EARL drives ROBERT in the golf carl down the lane to STEVEN AVERY's residence. EARL first observed STEVEN AVERY standing, staring at his snowmobile, which is on a trailer attached to STEVEN's black pickup truck...EARL describes STEVEN as different and standing very stiff or stiff as a board. EARL states it seems as if something is wrong with STEVEN and he is just standing there staring at the snowmobile....EARL says STEVEN AVERY's look is unusual. He is standing just staring. He states STEVEN is stiff not relaxed....

I am more intrigued by the details of their recollections than the exact times and dates.

Keeping in mind that Avery had gasoline and paint thinner readily available in his garage plus a John Deere skid-steer at hand, I'm inclined to think that the fire, the whoosh, and the vile smell all point to a possibility that Avery began his monstrous destruction of evidence with a large mixture of everything and dumped it quickly into the burn pit behind his trailer, then ignited it.

The result would suddenly explode into a vile smelling and whooshing conflagration that would be as memorable as what is described by both Randant and Metz.

Anyone who is familiar with the descriptions of Auschwitz's crematoriums and the atrocities of the Nazis may understand.

 

[Justiceseeker35]

BCA ~ I'm not sure that all of those Kuss Rd things have been tied together or if they are separate, it's all very confusing because nothing goes together, and actually, I see now that not only was there MTSO reports, CASO reports, but there are DCI reports that we don't have now too (and I'm not sure if anyone has requested them), I can't believe they weren't all in one file, it all seems so confusing and convoluted (on purpose?lol)

I have such a nagging feeling about CA now after reading these reports, there is nothing new that we didn't already know about I don't think, but there is just something.

Ok so I've only made it to about page 400 of this report. Between the all the different accounts of the fires, the now you see it now you don't burn barrels and all the various types bones coming from all over the area. Then there's the suspicious ex lovers, the crazy characters coming in and out of the salvage yard and the deplorable treatment of women by the Avery men. Looks like anyone in the family's wife, SO, girlfriend or step daughter is fair game. And omg all the guns! I'm from Texas and people love their guns here ...but my word! I'm more confused then ever. I sincerely hope Ms. Zellner has something because at this point anyone could have done it or been involved in the cover up.

Here's a few troubling thoughts- in the report one of the officers wrote the about the rav4 tool kit and they found the missing part in the Avery shop. The poster of TH in the office was a little creepy. The guy that wrote about the whoosh and the smell 4 miles away. This part only gave me pause because he mentioned Zander road again. I have this nagging feeling that the road is important to the case. Could SA simply have tried to burn her multiple places? And the fact TH was mixed up in this one couples divorce as the other woman. hmmmm.

 

[missy1974]

Ok so I've only made it to about page 400 of this report. Between the all the different accounts of the fires, the now you see it now you don't burn barrels and all the various types bones coming from all over the area. Then there's the suspicious ex lovers, the crazy characters coming in and out of the salvage yard and the deplorable treatment of women by the Avery men. Looks like anyone in the family's wife, SO, girlfriend or step daughter is fair game. And omg all the guns! I'm from Texas and people love their guns here ...but my word! I'm more confused then ever. I sincerely hope Ms. Zellner has something because at this point anyone could have done it or been involved in the cover up.

Here's a few troubling thoughts- in the report one of the officers wrote the about the rav4 tool kit and they found the missing part in the Avery shop. The poster of TH in the office was a little creepy. The guy that wrote about the whoosh and the smell 4 miles away. This part only gave me pause because he mentioned Zander road again. I have this nagging feeling that the road is important to the case. Could SA simply have tried to burn her multiple places? And the fact TH was mixed up in this one couples divorce as the other woman. hmmmm.

The tool, in the trial they said it was never found... could you imagine how many tools are and were on that property? The poster.... remember the cousin that went there on the Friday, David Beach I think, he left a poster, didn't he? Zander road... omg I read it and googled it right away LOL But I don't think it's anywhere near the address that we already had.... and I did search the full CASO document and didn't find Zander mentioned anywhere else (although the search function in this document isn't always 100%)

As for the first paragraph of your post... ugggh right? The guns.... I thought it was crazy but then I read "elsewhere" and I get the impression that it's not really out of the ordinary considering it was from 4 residences and everyone was a hunter lol I will have to ask my hubby how many guns him and his dad have at his Dad's (I don't like them being kept here, I live in the city and he can't go hunting in out back yard haha)

 

[Limaes]

Not sure who got these records released to the public, but I am sure glad they did. One thing I am seeing on several internet sites is more and more of Avery's supporters are jumping the fence. Finally, people are starting to see Avery for the person he has been for a long time.

When I find the time, I am going to compile a list of every female that has been abused, beaten, molested, threatened and had fear instilled into them by SA and put it all in the one place. Just to show that yes, SA is more than capable of luring an innocent young woman to his home before raping and murdering her.

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[zerbert]

I'm inclined to think the whoosh was something unrelated. I've often been about 3 miles away from when they light off a really, really big natural gas flare. There's not much noise at all. I've been 5 miles away from a refinery when they light off 3 fairly big flares at once (not the regular old run-of-the-mill ones, the big occasional ones). I've never heard them make a noise. For Metz to hear a whoosh from 5 miles away that was so loud it scared his cattle, that would have been a very significant conflagration. I don't think Avery's trailer would have been left standing.

I wonder if Metz had a bone to pick with the Averys.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

So sorry to hear about your daughter and am very happy to hear that you are getting positive feedback on her condition. I know how scary it can be to find out your child was in a car accident. My oldest son was in one, a few years back, on his way home from work (he worked the 3rd shift and the girl he was rideshared with fell asleep at the wheel) and ultimately ended up having to have 47 stitches in his face. Though he is fine now, it was absolutely one of the most petrifying experiences of my life, so I understand what you are going through and my prayers are with you and your family right now.

Thank you Jaddie. So sorry to hear about your son--I hope he has recovered from his injuries--I know it can be a long road to recovery.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

BCA ~ I'm not sure that all of those Kuss Rd things have been tied together or if they are separate, it's all very confusing because nothing goes together, and actually, I see now that not only was there MTSO reports, CASO reports, but there are DCI reports that we don't have now too (and I'm not sure if anyone has requested them), I can't believe they weren't all in one file, it all seems so confusing and convoluted (on purpose?lol)

I have such a nagging feeling about CA now after reading these reports, there is nothing new that we didn't already know about I don't think, but there is just something.

Funny--I had that nagging feeling about him at the very beginning. I'm not sure how I feel about him now though. Haven't given it much thought.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

The tool, in the trial they said it was never found... could you imagine how many tools are and were on that property? The poster.... remember the cousin that went there on the Friday, David Beach I think, he left a poster, didn't he? Zander road... omg I read it and googled it right away LOL But I don't think it's anywhere near the address that we already had.... and I did search the full CASO document and didn't find Zander mentioned anywhere else (although the search function in this document isn't always 100%)

As for the first paragraph of your post... ugggh right? The guns.... I thought it was crazy but then I read "elsewhere" and I get the impression that it's not really out of the ordinary considering it was from 4 residences and everyone was a hunter lol I will have to ask my hubby how many guns him and his dad have at his Dad's (I don't like them being kept here, I live in the city and he can't go hunting in out back yard haha)

OK---I'm intrigued?? What new address on Zander Road? I thought I might have found a cell tower on Zander Road--but then I said what the heck would SA need with a cell tower? As far as the guns--it is a huge hunting area and I was not surprised to see/hear about how many they found. Deer Season is a big deal up there and many people from IL go up there to deer hunt when the season starts. When you drive through the little towns up there, you see lots of businesses advertising deer licks and deer corn etc.

 

[missy1974]

The Zander road ......

Metz (heard and smelled something)... his property is at the corner of Jambo Creek and Zander Road

Hope this link will work, I googled it, I don't think it's the same location as the address we had though.

https://www.google.ca/maps/dir/Aver...db265990401675!2m2!1d-87.6745778!2d44.3129996


Here is another map, with the address on the back of the sign (3302 Zander Rd.), it shows about 3.9 miles east of this intersection (if it's the right one... wasn't there more than one 3302 Zander Rd's?)

https://www.google.ca/maps/dir/3302...db265990401675!2m2!1d-87.6745778!2d44.3129996

 

[missy1974]

I'm inclined to think the whoosh was something unrelated. I've often been about 3 miles away from when they light off a really, really big natural gas flare. There's not much noise at all. I've been 5 miles away from a refinery when they light off 3 fairly big flares at once (not the regular old run-of-the-mill ones, the big occasional ones). I've never heard them make a noise. For Metz to hear a whoosh from 5 miles away that was so loud it scared his cattle, that would have been a very significant conflagration. I don't think Avery's trailer would have been left standing.

I wonder if Metz had a bone to pick with the Averys.

I doubt he had a bone to pick, but he called on the 15th, and at that time, what was being said and shown on the news?

I still think they should have looked closer to the guys property, or maybe they did, I'm pretty sure we are still missing huge pieces of the investigative notes (DCI reports). I still can't find anything on the quarry where the bones were found.