Cell Phone Activity Timeline as of 11/11

[natsound]

I totally agree with all you said! Just wondering tho did someone state the calls or usage on the phones stop right about the time when 911 was called? i havent been able to keep up and wonder if i missed something on this....thanks

I believe Picerno said the phone became restricted some time on October 3. JI tried to call DB and found out the phone was restricted.

 

[mlc9852]

I believe Picerno said the phone became restricted some time on October 3. JI tried to call DB and found out the phone was restricted.

But the phone could still receive calls but if no one answered, I guess she couldn't retrieve her voice mails. But I know I read somewhere that JI didn't try to call and tell DB he would be late and that she wasn't worried. I need to keep a notebook of where I have read things!

 

[natsound]

Not doubting you but the concept. What sense does it make to steal a phone for the soul purpose of listening to someones vm? :waitasec:

I guess that happens when someone is nosey. lol

It makes a lot more sense for someone who just harmed a baby, either accidentally or intentionally, and then made some desperate calls, to "get rid" of the cell phones to hide their tracks.

I'd love to know what internet sites were searched repeatedly that night on the phone, and the times of the searches.

 

[TxLady2]

Was this somebody you knew? or a total stranger? How can they access your voicemail w/o a security code? And why would they want to? It almost sounds like somebody who was spying on you. What a curious thief!

Our phones do not require a security code to activate voicemail. If there is an option to do this on our phones, we've never used it. Anyone could pick up our phones and listen to our voicemail, all we have to do is hit the link and it comes on. No password/security code required. Maybe all the newer phones do, but ours do not.

ETA: Some people have been known to send themselves a text or a voicemail to remind them of something they needed. It's possible a thief would hope he could get some kind of personal information from a voicemail, like a credit card number or something.

 

[natsound]

But the phone could still receive calls but if no one answered, I guess she couldn't retrieve her voice mails. But I know I read somewhere that JI didn't try to call and tell DB he would be late and that she wasn't worried. I need to keep a notebook of where I have read things!

Picerno did say that JI's call to DB could not go through.. and was sent straight to the Verizon message saying the phone was "not operable". Is that because the phone he called on was also restricted?? I thought his personal phone was at the residence. Doesn't make sense, does it?

 

[katshep]

BBM



completely correct and they can see the phone number the text went to or came from :seeya:

UFED, a device developed in Israel in 2007-2008, is widely in use in the US and will extract all data from a cellphone instantly. http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products/forensic-products/ufed-ultimate.html
Anyone listen to the argument in the Supreme Court about the placement of GPS tracking devices on cars by police? Fascinating. You can listen to the argument on www.ussupremecourt.gov.

 

[mlc9852]

Picerno did say that JI's call to DB could not go through.. and was sent straight to the Verizon message saying the phone was "not operable". Is that because the phone he called on was also restricted?? I thought his personal phone was at the residence. Doesn't make sense, does it?

Nothing in this case makes sense.

 

[TxLady2]

We have Verizon as our service provider. My phone indicates when I have a voicemail and I have to select yes/no to hear it or wait until later. Phone came pre-set with voicemail as number 1 on my speed dial. So all I have to do is hit 1 and "send" and it connects me to vm. I always have to input my password. I didn't want one but it seems to be a requirement for Verizon.

But I just now input *86 and it went to my vm and asked me to input my password. Then it told me I had two old (saved) messages. From there I had many choices ~ one of which was to change my personal options. Thieves might be looking to change the password, etc. But they wouldn't be able to get this far without having the original password first. :waitasec:

So, anyone have a guess about how the thieves would have known that the phones were contracted to Verizon rather than any other provider? :dunno: (If they had first attempted to input another provider's codes ~ would they have shown up on the phone records?)

Thanks, I did not know it was a requirement to have a passcode with Verizon. AT&T does not require that, unless all newer phones do, I have no idea. Strange how much difference there is in various carriers.

 

[artzypantz]

Could be that phone. Don't think that is DB's reflection, shoulders and arms are not rounded enough. And who is sporting the skull or what is it reflecting off of?

The skull is on a shirt of a child standing next to baby lisa in the doorway.....IMO that sure does look like DB face and hair in the reflection

 

[TxLady2]

I don't believe for one minute DB was drunk....drinking yes but not drunk. That was a convenient excuse after LE released that video of her and her brother at the store buying the wine. Also, if she was so drunk she was at the blacking out point, I think LE would have noticed. I know she said she stopped at 10:30 pm and went to bed BUT....from my own experience in my younger days when the hang arounds weren't so bad that on some occasions when I drank entirely too much but had plenty of sleep....I could still be drunk the next morning. I just really don't believe her being that drunk because she sure got sober fast, too fast imo!!

If she went to bed at 10:30 and slept until he came home at 4:00, it's possible she had slept it off. I can drink 2 glasses of wine and not feel the effects of it an hour later. Many years ago, I drank a whole bottle of wine by midnight and was sober the next morning by 6 a.m. Hungover, but not drunk.

 

[tehcloser]

Thanks, I did not know it was a requirement to have a passcode with Verizon. AT&T does not require that, unless all newer phones do, I have no idea. Strange how much difference there is in various carriers.

TX, my old ATT didn't but my new ATT "stoopid" phone does. The pass code when I got it was the last 4 digits of my phone # and then you have to change it.

 

[justamommy]

A neighbor reported that the handyman was taking care of the lawn and the sprinklers were left on till around 11pm that night. So you do have to wonder how he has an aliby when that would put him at the scene.

Fox news- there was a 11:57 pm call as noted above and someone tried to access voice messages that morning.... DB or kidnapper?

bbm

I thought I heard something about a shaky aliby for Jersey. I will see if I can find a link. To me turning off sprinklers could be a shaky aliby. JMO :cow: Going to find a link.

ETA Okay....nevermind.... I can't find the link to what I thought I heard. Maybe it was here, maybe lawyer spin. Please disregard for now. I will go back to reading and coffee. :coffee:

 

[TXredhead178]

One thing I still can't wrap my brain around is: How does an intruder, perhaps seizing on an opportunity in observing an inebriated DB going in to her house for the night, manage to carry out not only a 10-month-old baby who might cry and fuss and certainly has enough motor skills to fidget around a lot (likely requiring the intruder to use both arms & hands to carry her), but also manage to carry out thee cell phones - also entailing the use of both hands? Three phones seems like too much to just stuff in one's pockets. I'm not saying it's impossible, but, IMO, highly improbable to pull this off without dropping something before scurrying out of the house.

 

[cachmo]

Thanks, I did not know it was a requirement to have a passcode with Verizon. AT&T does not require that, unless all newer phones do, I have no idea. Strange how much difference there is in various carriers.

I have Verizon and dont need a password. Thats odd that there are different requirements for different customers.
I have the option to use a password and decline it.
Im not sure the password is important but to me its ALL confusing.
Everytime I think we are getting an answer to a question I end up with more questions.
Where is LISA?
I know JP and JT are lawyers for the parents but I would LOVE LOVE LOVE
to hear him say we are doing this__________ to help bring Lisa home

 

[missy_g]

What kind of phones did they have?

On some phones, voicemails and text messages are gone forever once they're deleted. Now if the phones are blackberries, all text messages, voicemails etc are saved on the blackberry server (I'm not sure for how long).

Doing forensics on smart phones isn't as easy as it used to be. The last time I did research (which was about 2 years ago for my class) there wasn't a way to get much info off of iPhones and the new iPod touches. The old ipods were easy because of the way the phone saved information. It's not as easy now.

I'm sure if you tried to access the internet it would send the info to the phone provider. I had a phone that didn't have a data plan, but I could still access the internet, it would just put the charge on my bill.

And YES not all companies require a 4 digit pin. That is a security feature you can set up yourself. With my voicemail I can hit a button and anyone can hear it.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Google is my friend: http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-news/2011/jul/18/hacking-voicemails-scary-easy-i-did-it/

Please read the whole article, How I (Easily) Hacked Into Voice Mail, it specifically addresses Verizon VM hacking.

"And here's a big red flag: A missed call that looks like it's from your own phone number. That was a byproduct of the trick we used — and a clear sign of our "hacking." (There weren't any missed calls logged from her own phone that we're aware of, are there?)

 

[hambirg]

All the phones I've had through ATT, Sprint, TMobile don't ask for a pin if you call vm from your phone. They assume you are you because they recognize your phone when you call. All mine had the option of securing it with a pin code. I have never used a pin code on any of my phones. Probably half careless half just can't be bothered to have to put the number in each time. I am also not paranoid about that stuff although perhaps I should be.

This is unique to Verizon. From their own website. . .

To access your voice mailbox:

Press *VM (*86) and SEND.
Follow the prompts to enter your password and retrieve your messages.

Note: If you hear your own system greeting when you dial *VM (*86), press # to interrupt it and follow the prompts to enter your password.
To access your voice mailbox (while roaming off-network or from any phone):
Dial your mobile number.
Press # to interrupt the greeting and follow the prompts to enter your password and retrieve messages.
http://support.verizonwireless.com/clc/features/calling_features/basic_voice_mail.html

Plus there are a plethora of posts out there of people asking how to get around this with their Verizon phones. Some people don't like it because it takes too long and it eats up minutes, but it is a security feature.

I can't get past the last phone activity being at 3:32am. . .roughly around the time JI came home. . .depending on if we believe that he was home at 3:30 or 3:45am. If we are going with the call to MW at 11:57 that would mean a stranger (assuming Jersey) would only have had roughly 27 minutes to break in, turn on all the lights, take the phones and baby Lisa and make that call. He was supposedly seen at 12:15 just around the corner. Did he call MW from inside the house? It just doesn't add up for me.

I can't get past that we are only hearing about activity on DB's phone. Was there any activity on JI's phone? If some stranger took the 3 cell phones and BL, why would they attempt to use only one of the phones? Wouldn't it be logical that they would try all three cell phones, especially if they couldn't get service on the first one they tried?

DB herself told us she knew the phones didn't work because she had "tried." When did she try? Are there records of an earlier outgoing phone call?

PN dropped DB off at 5:30pm, but yet says he knew DB was drunk that night. When did he return and how long did he stay?

Things I wish I knew.

:banghead:

 

[Just K]

Yes Androids (droids for short) can be used thru WIFI as can Blackberrys. Androids, Blackberrys and Iphones are all "smart phones".

Yes, but my question is: Can Droids be used the same way that a disconnected (From carrier) IPhone, IPOD Touch or IPAD can be used. No cell service but still, if charged, used by piggybacking someonelse's open connection, to the Internet?

Apple products can be used in the same way as a laptop but can non Apple phones be used that way as well?

 

[Detective Klimpt]

Apparently there is no further phone activity that evening as if there were I think we would know about it if a flurry of calls were made by any one of the phones. JMO

This is an important piece of the puzzle. If DB is responsible for BL's death or disappearance, how was she able to contact an accomplice without leaving a phone trace? She needed help to dispose of BL; don't you all agree? Unless...the brother was living out back in the trailer and she didn't have to call anyone. Brother's whereabouts that evening are not documented anywhere, are they?

I haven't documented my 'theory' on line yet, because there is always a piece of the puzzle left. All pieces need to fit, and getting all this erroneous info from the press and then posters (here and other places) repeating it and making errors/omissions makes it even more difficult to have a theory.

It seems most people are so wanting to hang this on DB that they are ignoring any piece of information that doesn't point to her.

Here's a question that I have. Why would DB try to access the internet on a cell phone? She has a computer in the house. Why would anyone try to access voice mail/or internet when they knew (after trying to call out at 12:58) that the phones didn't work? Not done by DB. MOO.

The cell phone pings were coming from what is said to be a baseball field width from DB's house, leading many to believe the calls were made from inside the house. I believe those calls were made by Jersey (calling Megan) from somewhere close by. Maybe the missing cell phones are not connected to the disappearance of BL. Stranger things have happened. A question to DB would be "when was the last time you saw those cell phones on the counter"?
Jersey (even Shane) could have snatched them up earlier in the evening. Heck, years ago I had a couple over for dinner and later found my husband's expensive watch missing from the kitchen counter. Some thieves are pretty brazen.

 

[justamommy]

I don't understand why anyone would dial *86 on their own phone. If I have a vm I just click on the icon. Why would you dial *86 if your phone is not showing a vm has been received?

I have wondered about the v/m too. Does the *86 get you to the menu to change the recording that a caller will hear when they reach your v/m? IE... "This is so and so, please leave a message at the beep." I don't know, this has just been a thought. Of course, I don't know why anyone would be concerned about changing something like that at 3 am. I don't know why any of the players would have been up at 3am either though. I like sleeping then. lol