Cindy's BoA Checking Account

After reading Val's blog it appears that our precious Caylee died because CA stopped the flow of money to ICA...so much of that money was spent on ICA's cell phone bills...ICA loved her phone more than she loved Caylee. She could live without Caylee but she sure couldn't live without that phone!:furious:

It sure looks that way..
IMO March seems to be a pivotal month...

1) Cindy closes her accounts (after many months of being Casey's personal ATM)

2) Internet search for Chloroform ingredients
iirc Casey was not able to go out and party on St Patrick's and had to stay home with Caylee

3) Casey celebrated her 22nd birthday.
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4) Casey downloaded the child/nanny/kidnapping episode of One Tree Hill.

5) Internet searches:
Chloroform,self-defense,household-weapons, neck-breaking and shovel.

6) Plan B...steal from Grandpa P's assisted living account to pay phone bill.

IMO Casey must have been really :furious: with Cindy for cutting her money supply off and perhaps she was contemplating doing some harm to Cindy but instead Caylee ended up paying the ultimate price

Maybe Grandma P was right Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee.
 
All I can say is may God bless Grandma Shirley for being totally forthcoming with the detectives and offering up her letters, etc. I cannot imagine the pain Caylee's murder has caused her and her sweet husband. The money being the very very least of it.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0[/ame]
I am wholly offended, already, just imagining what the defense can and will try to dig up about them and see what they can blame on Casey's maternal genetics and or how poorly Cindy was raised (theoretically) which translates into how poorly Casey was raised
(allegedly) and therefore mitigates her crimes. If the defense should make any wild accusations and wholly unfounded implications to disparage Casey's grandparents, and the jury gets one look at the frail man humming "You are my sunshine" to the baby.....the jury is going to HATE THEM for it. We do not need to pay a jury consultant to figure this out, but what do you want to bet, they do , do it?

You can reimburse the bank, Jose , but there is no such thing as making Grandma and Grampa whole. I know it is a legal term but in the check fraud trial when they argued that Bank of America and Amy had been "Made whole", I remember gasping out loud. We don't need to understand biochemicals (Body Farm testimony)to know our common sense gut reaction to bs. I am offended, that is the nicest way I can put it. I think the jury, young or old, rich or poor, Anglo Saxon or Hispanic....... will be too.

I imagine any and everything they do to deflect Casey's complicity and premeditation being fully within her control, is going to have to be at the expense of others. Does the defense need Mr. Hornsby to write a few tips in another blog about things that are sure to backfire and alienate the jury, 101?

Cindy's banking being exposed is going to be a picnic compared to how brutal it is going to get in the penalty phase. Once I hear the guilty verdict, I am out. I don't think I could even stand to watch what happens next. Everybody thank their parents for making us walk the line! I remember my Mom marching me and my little friend right back up to the store to tell on ourselves to the manager that we had stole some penny candy. What a wise and strong woman. Everything I am I owe to her parenting. This case has made me appreciate that so very much.

The first time Casey decided to spend money on other things rather than pay her payments she promised to make to Lee, those keys should have been taken and the car parked. There was never any consequences, so she just went on year after year, more and more embolden with her stealing and taking Cindy for granted. The Casey we have in front of us was not made in a day. Neither Ms. Barett, Mort, Jerry Lyon, Mrs. Finnell, nor extra funds from the JAC are going to convince a jury that she was born this way. She learned what she lived.
It wont matter, the juror's religions either, Jewish, Catholic or Southern Baptist, all teach the same core values...Casey was acting on her own free will. So regardless of the lazy, complacent moral teachings, it was still her choice to hurt her daughter. If the jury should find that the evidence does show she covered this little innocent toddler's mouth with duct tape so that she could not scream, or breath, I don't think the defense is going to be able to explain that away to the extent that she does not get found guilty. There are kids of murderers and career criminals, drug addicts, who spend half their lives in jail that miraculously grow up to be upstanding, productive members of society, so we are back to the free will again. Lee didn't kill any children.

The defense likes to say they just need one juror to believe that the one witness who says they searched Suburban Drive and the area was dry is the one to believe. What I like to think is the jury needs just one strong leader who takes to the black board as they start fresh on deliberations, gets out the chalk and writes at the top...
FREE WILL. My money is on the jury foreperson, all day long!!!

As some of our members have told little anecdotes from their lives, with their siblings, parents, etc. we see that everyone likely knows someone who has little Casey tendencies. Perhaps that is why the case affects so many, folks think wow....if not for the grace of God, there goes my friend, or my family member who was on that path.

It is a cautionary tale, of Biblical proportions.
 
TWA, when you write your book on this case can you promise to sign a copy for me? Seriously, you should. (Write the book, not sign one for me tho that would be AWESOME.)

It would have to come with a DVD of the video clips, maybe with your audio commentary.

As always, thanks button just not enough!
 
Lancelot, that is brilliant! Guess why Cindy had to leave early from this meeting? There was somewhere she and George had to be. WTH?
While she has to get to ( a media interview, is my guess ) something more important to her than meeting with the detectives, she has the nerve to criticize LE for not coming to her home daily to brief her on what leads they followed up on that day. She is outraged that tipsters don't get a follow up call to set out what the outcome of their lead was. What in the world? The President of the United States is likely the only one who gets that kind of service. It is just plain dumb to ask for it. George was in LE for years, he knows that is not how things work. I used to believe Cindy purposely was in cover up and the delusion was feigned. The more I see and is revealed I believe that it is not only Casey that has a very poor grasp of reality, or in the words of Tracey, the body guard, "No grasp".

Check out what Yuri tells her in this one. Priceless!! Six minute mark.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYz1ML5mCdE
He continues to point out things SHE has said that are factually wrong , let alone everything, "Every single thing she (Casey) has told us we have proven to be a lie". Although this was in 2008 when he showed her the proof, page by page, she continues two years later t o maintain these stories of Casey's.

Baez wants to attack Yuri saying they botched the investigation by focusing only on Casey. The jury is not going to buy that after hearing all the lies and how she impeded the officers trying to find this child. It just defies common sense. They better come to the jury with something better than, "A liar doesn't make you a murderer".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgwCS94Bh4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-fWby86tIo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7P7bqcJ0W8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1sWCtTSbtE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7yR86-eHak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9VkGVNhq2s
Snipped from a comment under one of the videos
ten minute mark
"Amy could be Zanny. Zanny has brown hair, but that could be code for blonde hair. Zanny could be a generic term for babysitter. Jeff could be a reference to Ricardo. Jeff could be a generic term for boyfriend. If Ricardo introduced Amy to KC, that could be code for Jeff introducing Zanny to KC. The Jacksonville connection could be code for the car at Amscot. Hard Rock Cafe could mean Rock Band. Jeff getting KC's car fixed was code for KC not knowing where the car was". How could this lady have managed a nursing staff?

Another brilliant post! :clap: :clap: :clap:

BBM - Of course LE "botched the investigation by focusing only on Casey." Casey is the only evidence that Zany exists (or not). Because Zany is a figment of ICA's very fertile imagination - an alternate reality, where - in 2008 Caylee was happily spending her time at the beach, Disney and Universal - on ICA's endless supply of funds (and the goodness of Zany's heart) because Caylee is so special, day care providers (AKA invisinanny's) don't need to be paid to care for her.

While I agree, Caylee was very special - everyone has bills (except invisananny's). That aside, I don't know any two (going on three) year olds who would be happy spending a month at tourist attractions. It shows how much disconnect ICA had to "that child" to even think this would have been Caylee's idea of fun.

And now, (in an alternate reality) Caylee is hanging out in NYC - probably playing at the same parks as Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise's little girl - going to opening day at the best plays and movie premiers, the finest tutors and living the high life - on the big bucks ICA provides from her nonexistent job at Universal. Such a valued employe, she is still on the payroll - they just deposit it in a different account now...
 
--respectfully snipped

If TWA's synopsis wasn't so long, I would make it my sig. :clap:

That pretty much sums up CA. That isn't denial...just plum crazy! And to expect anyone to believe that BS is even crazier!!!
What is that Val always says....:waitasec:

For you my friend, I shortened it to fit, if you really want it.
"Amy could be Zanny. Zanny has brown hair, but that could be code for blonde hair. Zanny could be a generic term for babysitter. Jeff could be a reference to Ricardo. Jeff could be a generic term for boyfriend. If Ricardo introduced Amy to KC, that could be code for Jeff introducing Zanny to KC. The Jacksonville connection could be code for the car at Amscot. Jeff getting KC's car fixed was code for KC not knowing where the car was", Cindy Anthony to the lead detectives. Seriously!

:blushing:

The reason those quotes are so hysterical, tears streaming down your cheeks funny ( God knows we need a little levity ), is because she honest to God set there with seasoned homicide detectives, who thought they had heard it all, and told her theories about the codes. To their credit, they managed to keep a straight face. You bet your life, those men deserve a raise! If I lived in that community I would learn how to cook just to bake them some cookies.
 

unbelievable - not that she was ratting GA out or anything - but see how she "cleverly" blames GA for ICA's sticky tendencies...



CA: No. No We’ve talked about eventually going to group counseling and we never did. I think a lot of it was with her struggle with her dad and stuff too trying to get together. I suggested all of us getting together um, not to really rat George out or nothing, but you know there was…he had deceived me for a few years about money, financial things and stuff like that. And he tended to you know cover things up a little bit for a while. And I was starting to see some of those trends with Casey as far as not being truthful. And when I went to the counselor she said that you know sometimes people if they see someone close to them push it then they might do the same thing too.

So, that’s why I thought maybe as a group we might want to talk about it. But that never panned out. I mean it never happened it was never a time issue where we could all get together and all that.
 
It sure looks that way..
IMO March seems to be a pivotal month...

1) Cindy closes her accounts (after many months of being Casey's personal ATM)

2) Internet search for Chloroform ingredients
iirc Casey was not able to go out and party on St Patrick's and had to stay home with Caylee

3) Casey celebrated her 22nd birthday.
.
4) Casey downloaded the child/nanny/kidnapping episode of One Tree Hill.

5) Internet searches:
Chloroform,self-defense,household-weapons, neck-breaking and shovel.

6) Plan B...steal from Grandpa P's assisted living account to pay phone bill.

IMO Casey must have been really :furious: with Cindy for cutting her money supply off and perhaps she was contemplating doing some harm to Cindy but instead Caylee ended up paying the ultimate price

Maybe Grandma P was right Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee.

My friend, when I was reading your brilliant time line, all I could think of for some reason was Cindy always saying "This is key" or "This was a red flag", so very , very often. This one is for you
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzYtMTDqZQ4[/ame]
Can you imagine if this is the flat affect that Casey had when getting drilled by mom about stealing money? [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCX84hgAsQg[/ame] She just lies, lies and lies, non stop, in detail without even catching her breath. Wow.

Did George say Casey loves to shop at Target, with my wife's money? [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGxKL8xM1YI[/ame]

Here is the One Tree Hill episode information. Scary! [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHW3p4hpeE[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ii2dVTJI6M[/ame] Casey apparently googled this exact 100th episode right before Caylee went missing. It was the only One Tree Hill Episode on the computer logs.
 
Casey stole from my wife's bank account. She even stole from Caylee's little piggy bank George told LE. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9YKOye_6Q[/ame]
 
How stupid do you have to be to continually pay those ridiculous phone bills?
She just went on month after month totally uncaring about who had to pay the bill for her.
CA wasn't afraid that KC would take Caylee and leave, she knew her better than that, it was obvious that she wanted to spend as little time as possible with 'the kid' - what CA was afraid of was that if KC was thwarted in any way she would take it out on Caylee... surprise surprise.
 
The video with her rattling off lie, after lie, after lie, is scareeeeee!:eek: but classic KC...you know she ran CA & GA around like this all the time with her double-talk BS...how could they not have know that ICA was sick, sick, sick! CA should have had the girl committed a long time ago!
 
George really needs to learn how to control his eye movements when he is telling his whoopers.
 
All I can say is may God bless Grandma Shirley for being totally forthcoming with the detectives and offering up her letters, etc. I cannot imagine the pain Caylee's murder has caused her and her sweet husband. The money being the very very least of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0
I am wholly offended, already, just imagining what the defense can and will try to dig up about them and see what they can blame on Casey's maternal genetics and or how poorly Cindy was raised (theoretically) which translates into how poorly Casey was raised
(allegedly) and therefore mitigates her crimes. If the defense should make any wild accusations and wholly unfounded implications to disparage Casey's grandparents, and the jury gets one look at the frail man humming "You are my sunshine" to the baby.....the jury is going to HATE THEM for it. We do not need to pay a jury consultant to figure this out, but what do you want to bet, they do , do it?

You can reimburse the bank, Jose , but there is no such thing as making Grandma and Grampa whole. I know it is a legal term but in the check fraud trial when they argued that Bank of America and Amy had been "Made whole", I remember gasping out loud. We don't need to understand biochemicals (Body Farm testimony)to know our common sense gut reaction to bs. I am offended, that is the nicest way I can put it. I think the jury, young or old, rich or poor, Anglo Saxon or Hispanic....... will be too.

I imagine any and everything they do to deflect Casey's complicity and premeditation being fully within her control, is going to have to be at the expense of others. Does the defense need Mr. Hornsby to write a few tips in another blog about things that are sure to backfire and alienate the jury, 101?

Cindy's banking being exposed is going to be a picnic compared to how brutal it is going to get in the penalty phase. Once I hear the guilty verdict, I am out. I don't think I could even stand to watch what happens next. Everybody thank their parents for making us walk the line! I remember my Mom marching me and my little friend right back up to the store to tell on ourselves to the manager that we had stole some penny candy. What a wise and strong woman. Everything I am I owe to her parenting. This case has made me appreciate that so very much.

The first time Casey decided to spend money on other things rather than pay her payments she promised to make to Lee, those keys should have been taken and the car parked. There was never any consequences, so she just went on year after year, more and more embolden with her stealing and taking Cindy for granted. The Casey we have in front of us was not made in a day. Neither Ms. Barett, Mort, Jerry Lyon, Mrs. Finnell, nor extra funds from the JAC are going to convince a jury that she was born this way. She learned what she lived.
It wont matter, the juror's religions either, Jewish, Catholic or Southern Baptist, all teach the same core values...Casey was acting on her own free will. So regardless of the lazy, complacent moral teachings, it was still her choice to hurt her daughter. If the jury should find that the evidence does show she covered this little innocent toddler's mouth with duct tape so that she could not scream, or breath, I don't think the defense is going to be able to explain that away to the extent that she does not get found guilty. There are kids of murderers and career criminals, drug addicts, who spend half their lives in jail that miraculously grow up to be upstanding, productive members of society, so we are back to the free will again. Lee didn't kill any children.

The defense likes to say they just need one juror to believe that the one witness who says they searched Suburban Drive and the area was dry is the one to believe. What I like to think is the jury needs just one strong leader who takes to the black board as they start fresh on deliberations, gets out the chalk and writes at the top...
FREE WILL. My money is on the jury foreperson, all day long!!!

As some of our members have told little anecdotes from their lives, with their siblings, parents, etc. we see that everyone likely knows someone who has little Casey tendencies. Perhaps that is why the case affects so many, folks think wow....if not for the grace of God, there goes my friend, or my family member who was on that path.

It is a cautionary tale, of Biblical proportions.

Great post! All your posts are great but this one just nails it.

Ya know, parents just don't completely grasp what enabeling their children can do to them. My mom always says that's what she thought being a mother meant- you take care of your childrens needs. But there has to come a time where you teach your children to take care of their own needs. Mom's gotta let their kids grow up, no matter how difficult it is to let go of 'em. If they only understood what it feels like to grow up with no identity, no one who cares enough to put their foot down, to teach them to be true to their own selves rather than to mommy and what mommy wants. Nobody prepares them for the future, for their life. the double standards and mixed messages that come with this type of parenting is very confusing for kids. One week Cindy tells her co-workers she has Caylee too much then the next week she's complaining she hardly gets to see her. Wonder how she acted that out when Caylee was around with her passive aggresive nature. No matter what Casey did it wasn't right.

I gotta say, Growing up this way I can understand why Casey just stopped trying and started screwing her over (I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying I get it). It hurts to be hurt and never good enough to the one person in the world who's supposed to love you no matter what (and who pretends she does) while she makes up an entirely different life story for you so her needs can continue to be met, as your life is falling apart. To just ignore your child destroying themselves while you paint this pretty picture of a child who graduated high school, got some freak tumor, works hard at a job she's had since before getting pregnant (even got an award!!) and is engaged to a great guy who bought her a tiffany ring. Yet in reality..

And all the while cuz you are playing your mind games with yourself she is slipping further and further away... hating you more and more, knowing you don't love her and you don't accept her- but in your head she's your best friend (and you can't understand why she doesn't see it that way, Cindy?!). Every lie you make up about her to make her seem "better" then she is tells her you do not love her unconditionally as you claim to. Every time you let her get away with commiting an illegal act shows her that you do not want what's best for her. None of that is what a mothers love is supposed to be about and every time you let her walk all over you it just proved it to her again and again.
 
unbelievable - not that she was ratting GA out or anything - but see how she "cleverly" blames GA for ICA's sticky tendencies...

Such a shame she couldn't find the time to get her child help. God forbid she should have to go out of her way.
 
Hmmm! Having known someone like KC (who did not have a child) I do not believe that the behaviour once established can be simply changed. CA may have enabled it but the subjects reality becomes self fulfilling and the subject manifests their own reality. I believe that is the case here. To us, the prosecution and inevitably the defense understand that KC murdered her daughter. Defense is doing what they have to do. i. e. defend their client. Even if we at large feel it is a lost cause. Other than what may be gained by publicity or a LWOP sentence vs Death is what the defense is weighing as their win over a lost cause. The parents are obviously implicated and witnesses to the charges but ultimately we are dealing with an adult defendant. Mitigation is an entirely different matter as it is entirely about keeping the convicted alive in this case. For the prospective jury, fundamentally, did KC murder her daughter? And if so, shall we take her life too? Wanna write a check of your own on how this is gonna work out?
 
You know, even if CA & GA were wealthy, with no money worry's - this was a ton of cash!

There was also the money that Casey borrowed from Jesse and refunded with a bad check... When this was tossed in Cindy's face by the Rev G, her reply was "Yeah, but she only did it once!!" There's a defense for you!! (How does one respond to that statement?)

Possible second reason behind the searches for household weapons and neck breaking - it was March that Casey asked Cindy to keep Caylee so she could take the PR trip with Amy, Ricardo & JPChatt. Cindy had already scheduled her vacation for May or June (around her BDay), so she said NO!

I guess Cindy just knew without asking that Zany wasn't available to keep Caylee while she worked!

IIRC ICA made the on line reservations for her friends - she must have had a card for those!? Did they all give her cash while she let CA absorb those losses too or was that part of all this?
 
You know, even if CA & GA were wealthy, with no money worry's - this was a ton of cash!

There was also the money that Casey borrowed from Jesse and refunded with a bad check... When this was tossed in Cindy's face by the Rev G, her reply was "Yeah, but she only did it once!!" There's a defense for you!! (How does one respond to that statement?)

Possible second reason behind the searches for household weapons and neck breaking - it was March that Casey asked Cindy to keep Caylee so she could take the PR trip with Amy, Ricardo & JPChatt. Cindy had already scheduled her vacation for May or June (around her BDay), so she said NO!

I guess Cindy just knew without asking that Zany wasn't available to keep Caylee while she worked!

IIRC ICA made the on line reservations for her friends - she must have had a card for those!? Did they all give her cash while she let CA absorb those losses too or was that part of all this?

So it seems she killed her beacause Cindy was finally doing what she should have done ages ago. I was impressed that Cindy shut her down, looks like she was finally standing up for herself and it seems pretty obvious Casey decided she wasn't having none of that. I have to give Cindy a bit of credit after seeing these docs.
 
In CA's interview with the FBI, she indicates that KC took money from her account once and a while, and that she talked to KC about it. That is the sum of how she characterized it.
This is much more than that, and CA did much more than "talk" to KC about it-She resented KC for it. She yelled at KC about it. She threatened KC over it. She knew it was a big problem. She knew KC had a big problem with stealing and she (CA) was ashamed of that.
Once again floored that CA knew what a deceptive, criminal mind her daughter had, yet she chooses to enable KC-even after KC had killed (or at the very least, in CA's mind, refused to help in locating) her only grandchild.
 
Casey stole from my wife's bank account. She even stole from Caylee's little piggy bank George told LE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9YKOye_6Q

Thanks TWA

Putting the Civil Depo and the FBI/LE interviews & Depos side by side goes to prove both Cindy and George (not only lied on National TV) but more importantly lied in Sworn Testimony.

:waitasec: or was that half-truths.
 

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