CO - 3 killed in shootout near/at Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs, 27 Nov 2015 *Arrest*

[margarita25]

I think that was because Planned Parenthood had a crisis plan and it was so effective law enforcement officers were all he had left.

IMO he knew darned well he'd be facing a standoff and shootout with LE. In the last shooting rampage in CO Springs a month prior, LE was on the scene in virtually minutes, if not seconds.

 

[margarita25]

So, did this guy have a cell phone?

 

[Treelights]

[video=twitter;671028496118910977]https://twitter.com/markpmeredith/status/671028496118910977[/video]

 

[Elley Mae]

Staff at the center, which has in the past been the target of anti-abortion protests, took steps they had been taught including silencing their cellphones. Managers also put word out to colleagues not to call those in the building in case any telephones would still ring.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/29/colorado-shooter-security-idUSKBN0TI02H20151129

Police and sheriff's deputies exchanged gunfire with the suspect inside the building as authorities tracked their movements from room to room by watching live video feeds from security cameras within the clinic.

Officers gained entry to the building with an armored Bearcat vehicle and used it to carry the wounded and others to safety, police said in a statement on Saturday.

 

[PeregrineFaulkner]

Can anyone think of another meaning for "no more baby parts" that fits the crime he committed?

IMO, I'm comfortable with making the simple connection between the words he spoke and the actions he took. Occam's razor, and all that.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Also from the above link:

"He was an independent art dealer with a degree in public administration from a Midwestern college, she said, who struck deals with artists, mostly Southern ones, who painted Charleston, S.C., street scenes, Old South plantation tableaus, magnolias and pictures of the Citadel campus. He tended to buy the rights to paintings, commission 1,000 or so prints, then market and sell the prints and keep the proceeds.


"He was born in Charleston and grew up in Louisville, Ky., but he had strong ties to South Carolina. His father was a graduate of the Citadel, Charleston's famous public military college. Robert Lewis Dear Sr., the father, died in 2004. He was a Navy veteran who served in World War II and worked 40 years for the Liggett & Myers Tobacco Company. ..."

*father was a military vet. Interesting...

BBM

Why is it interesting that Dear's father served in the military during WWII?

 

[K_Z]

Officer Garrett Swasey had been a prominent ice skater earlier in his life.

Nancy Kerrigan 'devastated' by Colorado officer's death

Swasey, 44, was a former competitive ice dancer who competed in three U.S. championships. Kerrigan, 46, is a former U.S. singles champion and two-time Olympic medalist.

Kerrigan credited the man she called "Ugh" — she told the Herald he called her "Yuck" — for her success during one of her skates at the U.S. championships. As she was about to begin skating before a hushed crowd, she heard him cry out "Go Yuck!"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-devastated-colorado-officers-death/76525180/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/figure-ska...ends-slain-colorado-officer/story?id=35475192

 

[Chuz Life]

Can anyone think of another meaning for "no more baby parts" that fits the crime he committed?

IMO, I'm comfortable with making the simple connection between the words he spoke and the actions he took. Occam's razor, and all that.

Very well stated.

 

[margarita25]

This NPR article compiles a few snippets from other publications:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-about-the-alleged-planned-parenthood-shooter

What We Know About The Alleged Planned Parenthood Shooter

Its good. Kind of like a Reader's Digest article for people who don't like to be bothered actually reading whole articles.

Also from this link:

"He was generally conservative, but not obsessed with politics. He kept guns around the house for personal protection and hunting, and he taught their son to hunt doves, as many Southern fathers do. He believed that abortion was wrong, but it was not something that he spoke about much. 'It was never really a topic of discussion,' she said."

Snip

"'He complained about everything,' said another neighbor who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity, saying that he feared for his security. 'He said he worked with the government, and everybody was out to get him, and he knew the secrets of the U.S.A. He said, "Nobody touch me, because I've got enough information to put the whole U.S. of A in danger." It was very crazy.'"

 

[Montjoy]

Can anyone think of another meaning for "no more baby parts" that fits the crime he committed?

IMO, I'm comfortable with making the simple connection between the words he spoke and the actions he took. Occam's razor, and all that.

I think that statement is proof positive that this was a terrorist attack.

 

[K_Z]

Can anyone think of another meaning for "no more baby parts" that fits the crime he committed?

IMO, I'm comfortable with making the simple connection between the words he spoke and the actions he took. Occam's razor, and all that.

Exactly. I don't particularly care whether it was his politics, or his mental "state". I wish he was dead. I think it's unlikely he was involved in any vast conspiracy here. It's pretty clear he acted alone. Whether he became "radicalized" by his beliefs in his loner lifestyle is interesting, I suppose, but nothing we can do anything about.

 

[margarita25]

BBM

Why is it interesting that Dear's father served in the military during WWII?

Earlier I had asked about any military history. Not sure what his father's military history has to do with him, if anything, but worth poking at imo. Guns, war, politics, family history, just trying to get a bigger picture, that's all.

 

[bluesneakers]

Can anyone think of another meaning for "no more baby parts" that fits the crime he committed?

IMO, I'm comfortable with making the simple connection between the words he spoke and the actions he took. Occam's razor, and all that.

IMO it's obvious what he was thinking and what he was trying to do. How he got there I don't know.

 

[KaaBoom]

I assumed he shot the police officers who provide security for the Planned Parenthood, in order to gain access to the building? Those buildings aren't easy to get into, due to how often they are threatened and attacked, and they do, in my experience, have a number of LEOs on-site for just this type of incident.

I believe the officers he shot were responding to 911 calls of his shooting. They were not providing security for PP.

 

[K_Z]

Earlier I had asked about any military history. Not sure what his father's military history has to do with him, if anything, but worth poking at imo. Guns, war, politics, family history, just trying to get a bigger picture, that's all.

Does Dear himself have any military history? That *might* be more pertinent, depending on his history.

It bothers me greatly as a veteran, to see an insinuation that the father of a 57 year old man (a violent murderer), a father who most likely served this country honorably in the military, going back to WWII, could somehow contribute to an excuse, or even an "explanation" for this kind of radical violence.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Earlier I had asked about any military history. Not sure what his father's military history has to do with him, if anything, but worth poking at imo. Guns, war, politics, family history, just trying to get a bigger picture, that's all.

At this point I don't see how his father being a vet has anything to do with his recent behavior. JMO

 

[bluesneakers]

At this point I don't see how his father being a vet has anything to do with his recent behavior. JMO

No, but it's part of his history and his life. We want to know about his career, education, religious beliefs, and earlier crimes and previous relationships, so it's natural to also look at his upbringing.

 

[K_Z]

No, but it's part of his history and his life. We want to know about his career, education, religious beliefs, and earlier crimes and previous relationships, so it's natural to also look at his upbringing.

Why? Why does it matter?

 

[K_Z]

I would feel the same about this guy if it had been a convenience store, a hospital, a college, an airport, etc. Planned Parenthood was definitely his target, but what he did there isn't any different than if he had gone to some other place and taken hostages and shot the place up.

The politics surrounding PP are just a smokescreen/ cover for his BEHAVIOR and ACTIONS. Looking for anything to explain or make an excuse for why he stormed a commercial health care building and started shooting the place up. The man is a rampage murderer. Period, end of story. He's not any kind of martyr for a cause.

 

[KaaBoom]

Also from this link:

"He was generally conservative, but not obsessed with politics. He kept guns around the house for personal protection and hunting, and he taught their son to hunt doves, as many Southern fathers do. He believed that abortion was wrong, but it was not something that he spoke about much. 'It was never really a topic of discussion,' she said."

Snip

"'He complained about everything,' said another neighbor who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity, saying that he feared for his security. 'He said he worked with the government, and everybody was out to get him, and he knew the secrets of the U.S.A. He said, "Nobody touch me, because I've got enough information to put the whole U.S. of A in danger." It was very crazy.'"

That about all we have to know right there.