CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #12

[Tennlyn]

I just saw this tweet:

9NEWS: 350+ volunteers are helping in the search for #DylanRedwine in La Plata County today. Groups searching 2 mi. stretches of Florida Rd.
https://twitter.com/9NEWS/status/277466503157256192

 

[JaimeSommers]

MR claims he was texting Dylan on Monday. So, if one believes what MR says, MR had to think Dylan's phone was in perfect working order.

If I hadn't seen so many cases of "staged" texts to victims by their perpetrators, I might agree.

 

[jjenny]

I am talking in context of scenarios suggested by some, such as phone was broken, phone got tossed out the window, etc. Why would you text if you know the phone is not working, or the phone and the child are separated?

 

[asyousay]

If today's search doesn't bring any answers, I'd like to see LE amp up the gameplan.

Snow is in the forecast.

We know from 12/6:

Since the warrant was served, the search for Dylan has pared back as far as the numbers of law enforcement
officers working
the case.
But dozens of investigators from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office, Durango police, the FBI and other agencies continue to investigate tips each day, he said.


I feel like we're at a crossroads- this investigation could go quiet, LE could step up the pressure, or they could change their gameplan.

On 12/6, Sgt. Bender said, “We're left with kidnapping and foul play” ... They obviously can't put out an Amber Alert and if they have no leads and Dylan is hours or states away, it seems they need to change the approach. Get the message out, get in front of the story,... something.


I have an idea.... how about a PRESS CONFERENCE?????

But what can they do ?

It seems that he has disappeared off the face of the planet and there is not any evidence of what has happened.

What good would a press conference do if they don't have any clues or leads ?

 

[Dee10]

I am talking in context of scenarios suggested by some, such as phone was broken, phone got tossed out the window, etc. Why would you text if you know the phone is not working, or the phone and the child are separated?

Exactly! Assuming MR is arrested & charged, most of these kinds of cases tend to be circumstantial, no witnesses, maybe no weapon, etc. He may try to say...I he didn't do it & felt the tossing of the cell-phone would make him look guilty...blah, blah, blah. But, both those separate actions (the tossing then calling & texting the next day) will play a big part if it ever reaches that stage IMO.

 

[JaimeSommers]

I am talking in context of scenarios suggested by some, such as phone was broken, phone got tossed out the window, etc. Why would you text if you know the phone is not working, or the phone and the child are separated?

So that you can say to LE, "Why would I text him if I knew his phone wasn't working?" Why do perpetrators frequently join in on searches for their victims when they know they're dead? Why do husbands leave "worried" voice mails for their wives knowing they've just killed them or had them killed? It's an attempt to outsmart, an attempt to appear innocent. One day's worth of Investigation Discovery programming shows that this is not a new strategy.

 

[LotusPawprint]

He certainly said Dylan was the light of his life.

Yes, he said it in that uncut video. It stood out to me because a day or so before, Corey had stated that Dylan was the light of his and his mom's life. I found it interesting that dad chose the same verbiage.

Jumping off the "light of his life" comment....

The reason I'm bothered by what he said, specifically, was the context in which he said this:

R: Do you have anything directly to say to Dylan?

M: Dylan, my prayers are with you and I love you very much. He was the light of my life and he meant everything to me. And I just want him home just like everybody else does. And that's why we've got to keep searching for him. Because somebody knows something. We've got to find him and we need to know he's okay.

I can let alot of the past tense/present tense inconsistencies go,

but I'm struggling to put myself in this specific situation of having the opportunity to speak directly to my missing child for this one moment... this only moment... this is the only time my words and message can possibly get to him if he's alive and able to hear me... if I can speak without breaking down, I want my child to hear me and know that I am speaking DIRECTLY TO HIM, I KNOW HE IS OUT THERE.... I will NOT speak to my child in the past tense, about him in the past tense.... He also goes from a brief address TO Dylan ..to speaking about Dylan as if he's a passive object.

That's jmo. I've envisioned this scenario many times, not just in Dylan's case but too many times when I see parents make a public plea to their missing child and their potential abductor. It makes me very uncomfortable that at that time you would not be consistent and direct to your child, for your child... and that's how I feel. IMO JMO MOO

 

[SCHMAE]

If I hadn't seen so many cases of "staged" texts to victims by their perpetrators, I might agree.

I thought about this the other day and wondered if that phone got tossed out the window in a ditch near,,,,,,,,,say ,,,,,,,,,,,walmart , then MR text it all day long, supposedly, what if he was waiting for it to go straight to VM and then know that its battery had died and after that went to LE to say his son was missing. If the phone went straight to VM then its' got less a chance of a ' ping' right because it's dead battery. If they find it, boot it back up, it's got dozens of calls and txt from dad ..but would also explain all those hours he did NOT report Dylan missing. Food for thought.

 

[asyousay]

Mr Redwine speaking about Dylan in the past tense must of set alarm bells ringing with the police even if they have not come out and directly said anything. It is a very odd thing to do surely in such a case when speaking directly to your son ?

 

[dlc]

I've found out worse news via email.

Worse than your CHILD is missing?


Whatever you found out must have been horrific; I am sorry, Paul.

 

[LotusPawprint]

But what can they do ?

It seems that he has disappeared off the face of the planet and there is not any evidence of what has happened.

What good would a press conference do if they don't have any clues or leads ?

They haven't had one press conference since he went missing.

If they're certain that the family isn't involved and can be ruled out, that Dylan made it home Sunday night, that dad's story is true, that the local RSO's have been ruled out, that cell phone information and video footage can rule out local involvement, and Dylan in fact went missing between 7:30 - 11:30 Monday morning.... these little statements and comments to newspapers here and there left up for interpretation aren't helping anyone and by anyone I mean DYLAN.

They may not have clues or leads but if they can rule out scenario A, B, C, and D they need to make that known so people can quit focusing on that and be turn focus, resources, and attention elsewhere. I really would prefer not to mention MR or any of the family's domestic issues ever again if I knew MR's timeline was accurate.

I don't know why there has been such silence in this case by LE, either they don't have much or they are playing it strategically. I do believe actions speak louder than words, but eventually their words need to be clear if they've run out of leads and need the public's help. If they have nothing, remember, it can take just one person to call in a tip that could help find Dylan. And if that person isn't sitting around following this story or unaware of who Dylan is, LE should probably handle this as officially as possible.


This is jmo and it's mostly from a place of frustration.

 

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[SCHMAE]

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Oh thank you ! But we are not allowed to mention that stuff on this thread right? but can we comment within the scanner thread what is being said? tia

 

[Tennlyn]

They haven't had one press conference since he went missing.

If they're certain that the family isn't involved and can be ruled out, that Dylan made it home Sunday night, that dad's story is true, that the local RSO's have been ruled out, that cell phone information and video footage can rule out local involvement, and Dylan in fact went missing between 7:30 - 11:30 Monday morning.... these little statements and comments to newspapers here and there left up for interpretation aren't helping anyone and by anyone I mean DYLAN.

They may not have clues or leads but if they can rule out scenario A, B, C, and D they need to make that known so people can quick focusing on that and be turn focus, resources, and attention elsewhere. I really would prefer not to mention MR or any of the family's domestic issues ever again if I knew MR's timeline was accurate.

I don't know why there has been such silence in this case by LE, either they don't have much or they are playing it strategically. I do believe actions speak louder than words, but eventually their words need to be clear if they've run out of leads and need the public's help. If they have nothing, remember, it can take just one person to call in a tip that could help find Dylan. And if that person isn't sitting around following this story or unaware of who Dylan is, LE should probably handle this as officially as possible.


This is jmo and it's mostly from a place of frustration.

I'm totally understanding what you're saying and am also frustrated.

Do you think if LE can not rule out Dad, can not place Dylan at Dad's house Sunday, etc., then do you think LE should still have a press conference? If so, do you think they should voice their concerns about MR or keep dodging that subject?

ETA: Strictly a hypothetical question!

 

[mmmagique]

Oh thank you ! But we are not allowed to mention that stuff on this thread right? but can we comment within the scanner thread what is being said? tia

What happens in the scanner thread, stays in the scanner thread. :floorlaugh:

 

[PaulR]

If so, do you think they should voice their concerns about MR or keep dodging that subject?

We don't know if LE has any concerns about MR. If so they haven't indicated this publicly.

 

[dlc]

I also want to mention that it is still in the back of my mind that DR is o.k. and is hiding out somewhere. He obviously preferred to stay in the Bayview area where he previously lived to be with his friends, rather than being uprooted to Colorado Springs. (I know his Mother said he liked it in Colorado Springs, but I have enough experience with boys that age to know they would prefer to be with the friends they have had for years.)

Hi, sorry, but do you have a link for that? We've seen information that states otherwise.

Thank you.


*BBM

 

[Tennlyn]

We don't know if LE has any concerns about MR. If so they haven't indicated this publicly.

I realize that. I was responding to the idea of a press conference and wondered that, IF LE has those concerns, how they should handle them. Entirely hypothetical. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

ETA: I've edited my original post to indicate that I'm asking hypothetically. Thanks!

 

[LotusPawprint]

I'm totally understanding what you're saying and am also frustrated.

Do you think if LE can not rule out Dad, can not place Dylan at Dad's house Sunday, etc., then do you think LE should still have a press conference? If so, do you think they should voice their concerns about MR or keep dodging that subject?

I don't think they will address concerns about MR if they have them.
I don't think they would address that Dylan never arrived at Dad's house on Sunday.

Until/unless they can take definitive action.

Which imo unfortunately kind of stalls further efforts unless they are getting credible tips that lead to searches or POI's or evidence that leads to Dylan's whereabouts.


Another reason why I think a presser would be so helpful is because national reporting (HLN, some big newspapers) is so poor and they either sensationalize or speculate which does so much more harm. We speculate, but if we're basing that on MSM, that's a problem.
I think having LE address the timeline and direct issues directly and answering whatever questions they're able to will cut down on the BS out there, it will eliminate rumors and junk that the NG's and JVMs of the world put out there.
When the Huff Post and AP and ABC News puts out articles based on little bits of info here and there, it's hard to sort out the facts.

Again, just frustrated. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[white rabbit]

http://www.daily-times.com/ci_22150704/volunteers-search-clues-dylan-redwine-case

Volunteers search for clues in Dylan Redwine caseBy Chuck Slothowerdaily-times.com
Updated: 12/08/2012 11:01:37 AM MST


DURANGO, Colo. - Hundreds of volunteers came out Saturday to search for clues that could lead auhorities to Dylan Redwine, the 13-year-old Colorado boy who has been missing since Nov. 19.
Volunteers came from throughout the Four Corners to help, including several people with Farmington connections.

The search led by the La Plata County Sheriff's Office was fanning out along Florida Road, and stretching to Vallecito and Lemon reservoirs, near where Dylan was last seen.

Searchers are looking for any clues that might lead them to Dylan. Investigators have uncovered little evidence since his father, Mark, reported him missing.