CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #15

[mck16]

If Dylan's phone stopped working or would not charge on Sunday night-he would have told his father. He would have wanted a new phone, or a loaner or something. Clearly if his father was texting him on Monday, he did not know of any problem with Dylan's phone, if he is telling the truth. Phone stopping working does not work for me.

As far as someone knowing he was coming to town to visit his Dad, why on earth would they think he might be home alone at any time, much less the very first morning, to come by and abduct him?

From personal experience if your battery is gone and you don't realize it is completely dead, you can put it on the charger and it does not hold that charge. You would not know it until the next morning when you took it off the charger and the battery was still dead. This is a valid possibility. jmo

 

[cluciano63]

I don't understand why Dylan would not call his dad to tell him if he had another ride or was going to go out for a while and not to leave without him if he (Dad) came back early. This all goes back to the phone for me; I don't believe it stopped working on Sunday without Dad knowing about it and I also don't believe Dylan would have been awake any length of time and not contacted his friends to tell them why he was late, when he would be there, etc.

So, unless the phone coincidentally expired on the morning he disappeared, I just don't know what to make of any of this. And anyway didn't LE say it stopped pinging/wasn't on as of Sunday night at 8pm? I doubt they were even home yet, so Dylan would have noticed.

I am obsessed with the phone.

 

[katydid23]

Not necessarily. Dylan was supposed to arrive on Saturday. So.. speculating here .... Dylan made plans to see his friends Sunday, then his flight was delayed and he didn't arrive until Sunday. Dad said too late to go see his friends, so Dylan makes quick plans to go see them Mon. morning early. Dylan had plenty of time prior to the plane trip and even on the plane to make other plans. Maybe someone made plans to go fishing with him at some point prior to the trip, on Monday. Dylan forgot in his excitement to see his friends and rescheduling his time with them.

So the person shows up early Monday, because most fishermen go fishing early or late in the evening when the fish are biting. Dylan thinks - oh cool - we can go fishing for an hour or so and then he/she will take me to my friends house.

This could have been a crime of opportunity for the person - no way he would have known that Mark wouldn't be there (unless it is a friend of Mark's that Mark might have said something too?).

Now... honestly, I think if Dylan had made plans to go fishing with someone, Mom and/or Corey would know, especially if Dylan made the plans before departing on his trip. 13-year olds talk about things like that generally. Or he would have told his friends when he made the Sunday plans. Yeah, I'll come hang out with you on Sunday and then Monday I'm going fishing with blah, blah in the morning, but maybe I can come over in the afternoon. So... I don't know.

I'm pretty convinced that Dylan was at Dad's house given the articles of clothing and the Ipod. What I'm not convinced of, is what happened after that.......

Salem





She did on Nancy Grace - said it was an older, flip phone and he had it smoking.

I don't see why the clothing and i-pod prove that Dylan was ever there. Couldnt someone have taken them out of his backpack on Sunday night and brought them home?

 

[jennapuppy]

I didn't read it that way, I took it as he would spend time with his friends monday and tuesday, not stay over necessarily.

and if he was staying over you would expect MR to have a phone number for where he was staying, you would think he would ring first but he went to another of dylans friends places in vallecito first before going to bayfield

Maybe he stopped by the friend's house that was closest, to see if he'd heard anything from Dylan and save himself a trip all the way to Bayfield. Maybe he had the phone number and address of the friend in Vallecito, but not of the friend in Bayfield.
imo

 

[cluciano63]

I don't see why the clothing and i-pod prove that Dylan was ever there. Couldnt someone have taken them out of his backpack on Sunday night and brought them home?

Considering we don't even know if it was Dylan's ipod, and that the clothes could have been there from Labor Day, who knows? Dad may have put out clothing he had at the house for Dylan to use while there before he even picked him up airport. Doesn't mean he did anything to Dylan, but it could mean he never unpacked anything at all.

 

[tiredblondy]

All I know is this looks like a hurting individual and my heart aches for him.

 

[tiredblondy]

If I have to eat crow I make a good crow stew. I sure had to do it after what I said and thought about Clint Heichel. (Whitney's husband) ( and so did all those body sign language experts too)

 

[katydid23]

That doesn't seem contradictory to me. There has been a LOT of criticism against him for not reacting faster, but if he wasn't alarmed he wasn't alarmed. Sounds like he did a quick look around and then just assumed he was with friends and only started to get alarmed when hours passed with absolutely no contact. Sounds pretty reasonable to me, actually.

MAybe I am judging him unfairly. I just get a weird feeling about his explanations. I am probably too cynical and jaded these days.

 

[mck16]

She said it was a flip phone, and not that it was old.
I also don't think she meant it was literally flaming when he was texting - rather that he used it a lot.

Okay. It's late and I don't feel like going to look for the video of his mother's comments. But if it was a flip phone we know it was old. It would not have to be old for the battery to die anyway. Faulty battery, lots of use, there are a number of reasons it would go dead. And it is something I would rather believe than that his father ripped it out of his hands and destroyed it or something even more sinister. jmo

 

[scorekeeper]

Dylan is my focus.

 

[momrids6]

Here's something that came to mind, in earlier articles (can't find which one) it was mentioned that clothing had to be brought from Colo Spgs. for the search dogs.

"The next morning, Dylan was sleeping on the couch where Mark Redwine now sits and where Dylan's blankets still lie jumbled. Mark said he waited until 7:30 a.m. but still couldn't rouse his son, so he told him he would return about 11. When he got back at 11:30, his son's dirty cereal bowl was beside the sink. The television was on Nickelodeon. His son's fishing pole was gone. So was his black-and-gray backpack. A few articles of clothing were left behind on the couch" (this was from Denver Post article 12/02/12 forgive me I'm learning how to do all this posting)

Why couldn't a scent be obtained from the couch, the sheets or the clothing left behind? Obviously those items weren't taken into evidence, the interview was after the 2nd search. Would his scent be on the sheets if he slept on or over them all night?

covered here:
No sheets- just blanket- too many people's things mixed together:

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[Confusion]

If he thought he was spending the night, then why did he go at 4:30 and say ' where is my son?'

I will try and explain it better:

when I ask why Dad wasnt more concerned when he came home at 11, and Dylan was gone, people say because he figured he got a ride and everything was fine.

Well then, why did he tell people that he went to look for him and then went to Bayfield?

Why didn't he go immediately to see if he made it to his friends? Thats what I dont get.

I don't remember him actually saying he looked for him before going to the first friend's house, that was just speculation (on my part, and probably others). I don't think he was real worried because he thought he was with the friend in Vallecito. He may have gone over there to bring him to the other friend's house in Bayfield when he didn't come home asking for a ride and hadn't been responding to his texts. Once he got there and found out that Dylan wasn't there, he went to Bayfield looking for him, figuring he found a ride there somehow. When he found out nobody had seen or heard from him, he called Elaine and reported him missing to the Marshall. I don't find that so out of line. MOO

Is WS giving anyone else problems?

Other than my headache? Yes.

I didn't read it that way, I took it as he would spend time with his friends monday and tuesday, not stay over necessarily.

and if he was staying over you would expect MR to have a phone number for where he was staying, you would think he would ring first but he went to another of dylans friends places in vallecito first before going to bayfield

It's possible that it was both. MR thought he'd be going for the day, and DR thought he was spending the night. MOO

Regarding the protective order - Is MR saying when his adult son beat him he didn't know he was being beaten and aware of what was happening to him? Why not? And where did this happen?

Is MR saying his adult son attacked him when he was unable to defend himself and he left him alone to die, but he regained consciousness?

Is this what Cory did to his father?

People have been saying that he didn't remember because he was drunk. It could be that or it could be because he was beaten badly enough to be unconscious for hours.

 

[cluciano63]

I hope that somehow LE can tell exactly what happened with the phone, even if they won't tell us. I wonder if they can tell if it was shut off while being used, as in mid-text, or mid-dial? Probably not.

Doesn't LE know how crazy they are making us, lol

 

[jennapuppy]

If I have to eat crow I make a good crow stew. I sure had to do it after what I said and thought about Clint Heichel. (Whitney's husband) ( and so did all those body sign language experts too)

I had to do the same with Sierra Lamar's mom and bf.

 

[mck16]

Not necessarily. Dylan was supposed to arrive on Saturday. So.. speculating here .... Dylan made plans to see his friends Sunday, then his flight was delayed and he didn't arrive until Sunday. Dad said too late to go see his friends, so Dylan makes quick plans to go see them Mon. morning early. Dylan had plenty of time prior to the plane trip and even on the plane to make other plans. Maybe someone made plans to go fishing with him at some point prior to the trip, on Monday. Dylan forgot in his excitement to see his friends and rescheduling his time with them.

So the person shows up early Monday, because most fishermen go fishing early or late in the evening when the fish are biting. Dylan thinks - oh cool - we can go fishing for an hour or so and then he/she will take me to my friends house.

This could have been a crime of opportunity for the person - no way he would have known that Mark wouldn't be there (unless it is a friend of Mark's that Mark might have said something too?).

Now... honestly, I think if Dylan had made plans to go fishing with someone, Mom and/or Corey would know, especially if Dylan made the plans before departing on his trip. 13-year olds talk about things like that generally. Or he would have told his friends when he made the Sunday plans. Yeah, I'll come hang out with you on Sunday and then Monday I'm going fishing with blah, blah in the morning, but maybe I can come over in the afternoon. So... I don't know.

I'm pretty convinced that Dylan was at Dad's house given the articles of clothing and the Ipod. What I'm not convinced of, is what happened after that.......

Salem





She did on Nancy Grace - said it was an older, flip phone and he had it smoking.

Thank you Salem. I knew I wasn't nuts and I didn't want to have to go find it. ty

 

[SmoothOperator]

oh my you guys..the phone was in flames...the phone was actually, LITERALLY smoking??...really??.. I would really like to know who has really seen a cell phone while in use go up in flames..yet was still functioning and fully usable after the phone had flames coming from it??...really?

who has seen a cell phone go up in flames while in use or immediately after its used, period?..the same goes for a cell phone with smoke billowing from it?

IMO without a shadow of a doubt mom in talking about what an avid and heavy texter that Dylan was used the phrase the "phone would be left smoking" due to Dylan's having been burning it up with the amount texting he was doing..

Seriously a cell phone that has had flames emitting from it..smoke literally exuding from the actual cell phone yet the phone was still fully functioning??..not to mention functionimg to the extent that mom who is in continued contact with her youngest son sends him on the first court ordered visitation with an ex spouse who per her documented court docs has been violent and volatile in the childrens presence prior..she sends him with her only form or way of contact is that cell phone that has been in flames and/or smoke literally billowing from the actual device??

IMO there is just no way in this world that is true..IMO it obviously was a figure of speech used to describe her sons extreme use of texting on his cell phone..jmo

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I hope that somehow LE can tell exactly what happened with the phone, even if they won't tell us. I wonder if they can tell if it was shut off while being used, as in mid-text, or mid-dial? Probably now.

Doesn't LE know how crazy they are making us, lol

see my post a while back about to paraphrase, you'll find whats in your words in that

 

[carolyndenver]

Some interesting facts about the Redwine family. Elaine Redwine inherited their home near the Vallecito Reseivour.
During the time frame of the divorce of Elaine and Markn she sold said home to Mark for a very nominal amount, less than 20 dollars. He became the sole owner. She completed this action with a "quit claim" deed. Mark hired a restoration company for the home, at a later point in time the restoration company put a lien on the home for work that he did not pay for.
So where and how did I find this, easy, La Plata County records. Many legal transactions are a matter of public record.
So how would these facts figure into the current case, well not too much. But anyone quit claiming a deed to a home is could be very kind or desperate to sever all contact with the other party. Or there are many other possible reasons. It is a reflection of the relationship that Mark and Elaine had and could have some bearing on their missing child.

 

[Salem]

I don't see why the clothing and i-pod prove that Dylan was ever there. Couldnt someone have taken them out of his backpack on Sunday night and brought them home?

Well, sure. If someone thought that far ahead. There are other things though that make me think MR is telling the truth. The story about how he kind of laughed at Dylan for making the 6:30 a.m. plans, knowing Dylan wasn't going to get up just rolled naturally and I found it convincing. Also, the cereal bowl and the tv. Those are little things, not likely to be mentioned if they aren't true - in my mind anyway.

Also, in one of the interviews, MR talks about his interview with LE and says they went over everything "moment by moment." I think this is important and that he puts it out there makes it ring true to me.

I admit I'm on the fence. There are some things that also raise my hinky meter but a lot of those things are things that came out early in the case and have been proven/or almost proven to be untrue.

There are things we just don't know - it is very possible that Dylan used the landline at MR's house and that info has not been released. I am finding it odd that LE is not calling him a suspect if they have any evidence against him. A week or so ago, it really sounded like LE was going to come out at any moment and name MR a suspect - then they searched the house with a warrant, did the polys, interviewed MR and went over "moment by moment" and hauled his trucks away. Now it feels like LE is backing off that position and turning their attention elsewhere.

I think things are happening behind the scenes but I'm not getting the feeling that they are related to MR? I don't know.....

Salem

 

[aust amateur slueth]

oh my you guys..the phone was in flames...the phone was actually, LITERALLY smoking??...really??.. I would really like to know who has really seen a cell phone while in use go up in flames..yet was still functioning and fully usable after the phone had flames coming from it??...really?

who has seen a cell phone go in up flames while in use, period?..

IMO without a shadow of a doubt mom in talking about what an avid and heavy texter that Dylan was used the phrase the "phone would be left smoking" due to Dylan's having been burning it up with the amount texting he was doing..

Seriously a cell phone that has had flames emitting from it..smoke literally exuding from the actual cell phone yet the phone was still fully functioning??..not to mention functionimg to the extent that mom who is in continued contact with her youngest son sends him on the first court ordered visitation with an ex spouse who per her documented court docs has been violent and volatile in the childrens presence prior..she sends him with her only form or way of contact is that cell phone that has been in flames with smoke literally bellowing from the actual device??

IMO there is just no way in this world that is true..IMO it obviously was a figure of speech used to describe her sons extreme use of texting on his cell phone..jmo

you and I both understand if the phone was really smoking then she would have said it was actually smoking