CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #18

[azgrandma]

Instead of begging people to keep an eye out, begging anyone who knows anything to PLEASE come forward, (when the interviewer tells him it's his platform to say anything he wants) he comes up with a whole speech about how the focus shouldn't be on him; it should be on Dylan. WHY didn't he make it about Dylan?

Just like Scott Peterson's interview, imo. (don't look at me...think about Lacie...*whistles*)

Exactly my point, you are being interviewed for tv concerning your missing child and she asked him once what he would say to Dylan and once to say anything, it's his platform, and NOT ONCE did MR say anything that remotely sounded or could be believed to be a plea for the safe return of his son, NOT ONCE did he say, hey I didn't do anything, I don't give a sh#% what my ex says, yeah she's hurting, I get that, but she's full of sh#% and I'm hear to tell you that. Whoever has Dylan, they need to let him go, drop him off somewhere safe and leave. Dylan, if you can see this, we are searching for you, we will never give up.

Everything, every interview, everything is about MR not Dylan. MR tells you the same ole same ole and even that changes, but he has never ONCE said that he is out looking for the SOB that took his son, heck no, he's staying at home in case he calls or comes back. Dylan is 13, if he can get to a phone he's going to call 911 because chances are he doesn't have #'s memorized.

 

[Eileen730]

And I am not sure why they hadn't had a chance to talk about how he liked his new house. He picked him up at 5:40, they drove for awhile, went to Walmart, went to McDonalds, had a long drive home, had time to toss the nerf ball around, and he even laid down in the living room. He was not talking or texting
on the cell during any time after 8 pm. So why didnt he have a chance to talk about his new home? Wouldn't that be one of the first things they talked about?

What did they talk about then? He said they had not had a chance to talk about their vacation plans yet either. Had not decided what to do on Thanksgiving or what to do the next few days. He even said that Monday's plans with friends were not etched in stone, even though they seemed pretty set.

So what did they talk about for their hour ride home? It was only 6 to 8 pm so it was not too late to talk, imo. What did they discuss if not their immediate vacation plans and not D's new house?

Nothing!

JMO

 

[DylansMom34]

Azgrandma, I'm sure you've watched the videos and you've known MR a long time (even though I know you have been apart for him for quite awhile (thank heavens). I'm just wondering how you read his emotions? When he started to kind of tear up and get it together, did that seem genuine to you?

 

[katydid23]

“Well because he was with me for such a short period of time we, we had touch on a few things. One of the things we talked about was going to my brother David’s house in Castle Rock. Um, I know his friends were important to him. So we were wanting to make sure he had adequate time to be with his friends. Um, you know, the the basically the plan was Monday and Tuesday he would spend with his friends. Maybe Wednesday, you know, we had talked a little bit maybe about goin bowling er, or doin something as an activitiy not with just me and him , but with his friends included, an then we’d have Thanksgiving day to ourselves. Or there was the possibility that we could travel on Wednesday and get to my brothers house. So, you know, none of that ever got finalized, I mean we were just focusing on the next day, an what we were gonna do, an how that was gonna take place, an that’s as far as we really ever got. You know, I know his friends are important to him, an I certainly don’t expect him to spend a week with me, an spend every waking moment with me when he’s got his, he’s grown up in this community he has tons of people around that love and care about him “
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As long as I am on the subject of things that bothered me about the weeks plans, the bolded above bugs me.

an then we’d have Thanksgiving day to ourselves.

Does that make any sense? Who wants to be alone with your dad on Thanksgiving? It is the one day that you seek out family and friends to have a big feast with? Would Dylan really want to have a dinner alone with his dad that day? Wouldn't it be a day he and dad would go to a family/ friends celebration and share a Turkey dinner?

That sounds like DAd talking about his wishes and not anything D would have said. I really doubt that D ever said he wanted to spend Thanksgiving home alone with his dad.

 

[jdmyangel]

sorry this is just my opinion only still having a hard time thinking that MR did anything--i can see and understand--but i take him reaching out to ER as something that he felt he should do based on the public getting on him--i guess to me he seemed like (and not meaning it in a bad way) a recluse--or a loner--and ended up doing what he believed the public wanted him to do--i used to be a victim advocate and people react differently--honeslty, i am a loner too and cant say i wouldnt try and fight emotions, and or not be on tv--not sure i could do the publicity--but those are my issues right---guess a fear i have with this all and all this MR this and MR that--and no not just here--but the fear of him drinking himself to death or taking his own life--really sad if he didnt do anything--but just as sad if he did and never told anyone and is gone then--just think everyone reacts differently again just my opinion

 

[azgrandma]

Azgrandma, I'm sure you've watched the videos and you've known MR a long time (even though I know you have been apart for him for quite awhile (thank heavens). I'm just wondering how you read his emotions? When he started to kind of tear up and get it together, did that seem genuine to you?

ok, I have to use the IMO. No, the start to tear up and then regain your composure did NOT seem genuine at all. IMO, it's as if he was trying to make himself cry. IMO, the shaking the head REALLY says a lot. IMO, there is a lot of deflecting and steering, you know the way MR says that everyone is trying to figure out what happened between 730-1130.
IMO, it's all about him and nothing about his son.

 

[ICUDOUCME]

sorry this is just my opinion only still having a hard time thinking that MR did anything--i can see and understand--but i take him reaching out to ER as something that he felt he should do based on the public getting on him--i guess to me he seemed like (and not meaning it in a bad way) a recluse--or a loner--and ended up doing what he believed the public wanted him to do--i used to be a victim advocate and people react differently--honeslty, i am a loner too and cant say i wouldnt try and fight emotions, and or not be on tv--not sure i could do the publicity--but those are my issues right---guess a fear i have with this all and all this MR this and MR that--and no not just here--but the fear of him drinking himself to death or taking his own life--really sad if he didnt do anything--but just as sad if he did and never told anyone and is gone then--just think everyone reacts differently again just my opinion

The part about him drinking himself to death seems as though he might do something like that. The problem threw all of this is that without being able to clear him, many people will and are going to blame him. No one here or anywhere else would want him to drink himself to death(well maybe a few), we just want the truth...we want the holes filled, and what we want most of all is for Dylan to be able to spend Christmas with his family at home were he belongs!

 

[LotusPawprint]

Mark vividly remembers the last vacation he took with his son, a road trip to Boston in August. They visited Fenway Park and went to the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, N.Y. It was a dream vacation for a boy who loves baseball and is a devoted Red Sox fan.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/-1/s

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I have a number of questions and comments about this trip....

Do they have any family in the Northeast in NY or MA?
Anyone they might've stayed with?

Was it just the two of them?

I'm not sure how MR funded this, if he was working or had time off or came into some money, but that's no cheap trip. Cooperstown (both the HOF and lodging) aren't too expensive, but Boston (Fenway + logding) ARE NOT cheap. I think the cheapest seats at Fenway are around $25 a seat, and you add hot dogs, food, drink, souvenirs and whatever else one would think a 13 -year old would be really excited to buy. Especially on this rare and special trip. Wonder if ER gave Dylan spending money to fund part of the trip.

Where are the pictures from the trip? MR might be camera shy or might not like having his picture taken with his son for all I know, but I'd think Dylan would want his picture taken in Fenway at a Sox game. Cooperstown is awesome for photo ops... I'd think they'd be all over that, too. Where are the pics with Dylan in his Boston hat on this dream vacation?? C'mon, dad!


Don't know if they drove or flew from Colorado to the East coast but from the baseball HOF to Boston can be a 4-6 hour trip.

Either way they're travelling alot together -- this was ALOT of alone time together. Especially if it was just MR and Dylan. Hours and hours and hours with nothing to do but talk and bond. Or maybe things began spiralling on that trip.

Flights or car rentals, lodging, ... wow... I'd just love to hear more. MR really sounds like superdad here.


eta: This whole trip is a real head scratcher for me for a guy who was in and out of town trying to keep a good job because that's what "mothers and fathers do" .... and if there are any financial issues between MR and ER regarding Dylan, I'd be REALLY interested in this trip.

 

[Seajay]

sorry this is just my opinion only still having a hard time thinking that MR did anything--i can see and understand--but i take him reaching out to ER as something that he felt he should do based on the public getting on him--i guess to me he seemed like (and not meaning it in a bad way) a recluse--or a loner--and ended up doing what he believed the public wanted him to do--i used to be a victim advocate and people react differently--honeslty, i am a loner too and cant say i wouldnt try and fight emotions, and or not be on tv--not sure i could do the publicity--but those are my issues right---guess a fear i have with this all and all this MR this and MR that--and no not just here--but the fear of him drinking himself to death or taking his own life--really sad if he didnt do anything--but just as sad if he did and never told anyone and is gone then--just think everyone reacts differently again just my opinion

I'm with you on that. People just don't act or react the same way. Just because I would do something a certain way doesn't mean everyone else has to or they don't care or are wrong. I'm an extrovert, hubby an introvert. Obviously, we are NOT going to think or act the same way about anything and we haven't. I cannot expect him to think or act like me. That's ridiculous. He's allowed to have his own thoughts and emotions and it doesn't matter whether they make sense to me or I understand them or not, they are HIS, not MINE.

MR is not everyone else on this board and he shouldn't be expected to behave according to anyone else's standards. IMO

 

[OtherEyes]

See post on Find Missing DR Facebook page - Under recent posts by others - right hand side - about 17th comment down - looks like poster SCN apparently has some information she would like to share with the FB page creator/and also has contacted FBI.

https://www.facebook.com/?sk=welcome#!/FindMissingDylanRedwine?fref=ts

BBM

I did paraphrase .... She wanted to talk to the FB creator and she has already been in contact with FBI.

If you click on her name it takes you to her FB page and on Dec 12, it appears she is talking about it there. She asks if anyone knows of a good computer program that can analyze two peoples data to see the matches in their data... I'm assuming phone data but not sure how this person would have that info to compare?
So who knows what this is all about?:waitasec:

 

[Eileen730]

Well theres not much for a dad and son to do on Thanksgiving!
Go out to eat?
Unless ya have family close its a pretty quiet Holiday.

 

[katydid23]

I have a number of questions and comments about this trip....

Do they have any family in the Northeast in NY or MA?
Anyone they might've stayed with?

Was it just the two of them?

I'm not sure how MR funded this, if he was working or had time off or came into some money, but that's no cheap trip. Cooperstown (both the HOF and lodging) aren't too expensive, but Boston (Fenway + logding) ARE NOT cheap. I think the cheapest seats at Fenway are around $25 a seat, and you add hot dogs, food, drink, souvenirs and whatever else one would think a 13 -year old would be really excited to buy. Especially on this rare and special trip. Wonder if ER gave Dylan spending money to fund part of the trip.

Where are the pictures from the trip? MR might be camera shy or might not like having his picture taken with his son for all I know, but I'd think Dylan would want his picture taken in Fenway at a Sox game. Cooperstown is awesome for photo ops... I'd think they'd be all over that, too. Where are the pics with Dylan in his Boston hat on this dream vacation?? C'mon, dad!


Don't know if they drove or flew from Colorado to the East coast but from the baseball HOF to Boston can be a 4-6 hour trip.

Either way they're travelling alot together -- this was ALOT of alone time together. Especially if it was just MR and Dylan. Hours and hours and hours with nothing to do but talk and bond. Or maybe things began spiralling on that trip.

Flights or car rentals, lodging, ... wow... I'd just love to hear more. MR really sounds like superdad here.

It really did sound like a super organized, expensive, well planned out itinerary.

So how did it happen that just 2 months later, he fights to get him to come to town for a Thanksgiving trip, and he makes ZERO plans for them for the week. The most he had planned was to 'maybe bowl or something on wednesday.'

There is a huge difference between the 2 vacations. Since he knew his son was coming for the week, wasn't there something really fun he could have planned for Tuesday or Wednesday? I only say that now because his August trip makes him look like a planner and a creative dad. But this November trip was a mess.

And I don't believe for a minute that he ever seriously considered going to Dylan's new hometown for Thanksgiving. He may have said it was an option because Dylan probably was pushing for it. imo

 

[Eileen730]

ok, I have to use the IMO. No, the start to tear up and then regain your composure did NOT seem genuine at all. IMO, it's as if he was trying to make himself cry. IMO, the shaking the head REALLY says a lot. IMO, there is a lot of deflecting and steering, you know the way MR says that everyone is trying to figure out what happened between 730-1130.
IMO, it's all about him and nothing about his son.

IMO, I think Mark has some major issues I dont think he set out to harm his son and if it turns out he did I do think it was spontaneous and something he couldnt controll unfortunately. All JMO

 

[katydid23]

Well theres not much for a dad and son to do on Thanksgiving!
Go out to eat?
Unless ya have family close its a pretty quiet Holiday.

I bet there were plenty of D's friends that were having big family dinners that would have loved D and his Dad to join them. If he was planning to spend Mon and Tuesday with his friends, I bet someone would have extended an invitation.

My point is that dad said he could hang with friends mon and tuesday and they all do something wed, but Thanksgiving was for them to be alone together. That just seems odd because THanksgiving is all about gathering together. JMO

 

[Eileen730]

I have a number of questions and comments about this trip....

Do they have any family in the Northeast in NY or MA?
Anyone they might've stayed with?

Was it just the two of them?

I'm not sure how MR funded this, if he was working or had time off or came into some money, but that's no cheap trip. Cooperstown (both the HOF and lodging) aren't too expensive, but Boston (Fenway + logding) ARE NOT cheap. I think the cheapest seats at Fenway are around $25 a seat, and you add hot dogs, food, drink, souvenirs and whatever else one would think a 13 -year old would be really excited to buy. Especially on this rare and special trip. Wonder if ER gave Dylan spending money to fund part of the trip.

Where are the pictures from the trip? MR might be camera shy or might not like having his picture taken with his son for all I know, but I'd think Dylan would want his picture taken in Fenway at a Sox game. Cooperstown is awesome for photo ops... I'd think they'd be all over that, too. Where are the pics with Dylan in his Boston hat on this dream vacation?? C'mon, dad!


Don't know if they drove or flew from Colorado to the East coast but from the baseball HOF to Boston can be a 4-6 hour trip.

Either way they're travelling alot together -- this was ALOT of alone time together. Especially if it was just MR and Dylan. Hours and hours and hours with nothing to do but talk and bond. Or maybe things began spiralling on that trip.

Flights or car rentals, lodging, ... wow... I'd just love to hear more. MR really sounds like superdad here.


eta: This whole trip is a real head scratcher for me for a guy who was in and out of town trying to keep a good job because that's what "mothers and fathers do" .... and if there are any financial issues between MR and ER regarding Dylan, I'd be REALLY interested in this trip.

How do we know how good an employee he was?
Elaine didnt even know what kind of job he has.
I dont think these two spoke to each other at all.
There is definately very bad blood between the two and it has t be pretty horrible for their missing child not be able to mend it JMO

 

[Dee10]

I remember ER saying something to the effect that she didn't think "Mark treated him very well."

 

[TxLady2]

I had a very good, very southern friend, and their family always called the babies "it". Not in a mean way, it was pretty adorable, as in "Awww....look at it trying to crawl" or "Look how cute it is" (you have to hear this in an adorable loving southern drawl.)

I used to call all 3 of mine "it" before they were born, since I didn't know whether "it" was a boy or girl. Can't remember if I ever said that after they were born or not, but it is very common around here to say "that boy" or "this kid" or similar. Means nothing, just an endearment. Unless it's said in a mean or hateful way. I've heard dads yell, "hey, boy! bring me another beer!!" in a hard tone of voice. But most of the time it's just a normal, common way of talking. My husband says it all the time and he is not from the south.

 

[scorekeeper]

Well theres not much for a dad and son to do on Thanksgiving!
Go out to eat?
Unless ya have family close its a pretty quiet Holiday.

Football, football and more football!!

 

[TxJan1971]

AzGrandma - was MR a hunter/fisherman/camper and did he do this with family?

 

[Eileen730]

I bet there were plenty of D's friends that were having big family dinners that would have loved D and his Dad to join them. If he was planning to spend Mon and Tuesday with his friends, I bet someone would have extended an invitation.

My point is that dad said he could hang with friends mon and tuesday and they all do something wed, but Thanksgiving was for them to be alone together. That just seems odd because THanksgiving is all about gathering together. JMO

katy We dont know how these ppl feel about MR. Im sure they would have welcomed Dylan but we just dont know.