CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #19

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I'm not a NG fan - promise! But I keep going back to her transcripts because at least they are word for word what ER actually said. And I'm not quoting them as criticism of ER - just as viable "facts"

GRACE: Now, you didn`t hear from him since he touched down 7:06 PM. You didn`t hear from him the next morning. What did you make of that at the time?
REDWINE: You know, I didn`t really think anything of it just because, you know, when he`s been with his dad here before, which was over Labor Day weekend was the most recent since we`ve moved -- you know, he kind of did his own thing as far as with his friends. And so I would text him and be, like, you know, Are you having fun? And it wouldn`t be a prescribed time. It would just kind of be more throughout the day, just me, you know, telling him I loved him and just kind of reaching out to him.

To me that sounds like this recent trip and the Labour Day weekend weren't isolated visits. My ex visits with our sons every weekend (he rarely takes them away to sleep over at his place though) and I think he doesn't know them very well anymore - definitely not as well as I do at least!

REDWINE: Well, not necessarily going to sleep, but he would let me know where he landed for the night. So like, if he was hanging around with his friends in Bayfield, you know, he would let me know what friend he was sleeping with that night or whatever the case may be.

IMO if MR had said anything like that - implying that he didn't necessarily know where Dylan was going to be spending the night until a phone call was made - people would have been screaming what a lousy parent he was.

She also said that he didn't spend much time with his dad. I don't remember the exact words, but something to the effect that he didn't exercise his parenting time much.
 
  • #503
The case of Brittany Robinson, in the missing support section, is not unlike Dylan's. Her father has been charged with custodial interference and jailed. He claims she is alive but won't say where.

She is African American...wondering if this is why I have never heard about her case. She has been missing for months and is one of two people missing in AL near Brittany Wood, where remains have been found.
 
  • #504
There was another message from ER a couple of days ago when she said they had Dylan's presents waiting and that the family weren't opening presents until he was there. So very, very sad for that whole extended family as I imagine none of them would be feeling festive at all right now. :(

I agree. I also believe that none of his family is hiding an alive and well Dylan anywhere.

Either he was abducted by a stranger, or something went wrong between him and his father. This beautiful child did not run away, and he was not hidden in a safe place by any relatives. (imo) People are suffering because this child disappeared. Someone needs to fix this. Now.
 
  • #505
The case of Brittany Robinson, in the missing support section, is not unlike Dylan's. Her father has been charged with custodial interference and jailed. He claims she is alive but won't say where.

She is African American...wondering if this is why I have never heard about her case. She has been missing for months and is one of two people missing in AL near Brittany Wood, where remains have been found.

The father of the Skelton boys.
Gabriel Johnson's mother.
Casey Anthony

I'm sure there are others, but...many parents claim that their children are safe...they just can't prove it.
 
  • #506
Is the Hess lady the only person in the area that knows him? Heck, the guy he buys his cigarettes from didn't even say anything positive. It's not like he moved there in July...No one is supporting this guy. Why?

You know if he had been quoted in the media on the Tuesday after Dylan was reporting missing asking for help in finding his son, asking neighbors if they saw anyone suspcious and answering calls and texts, I might feel different about him....but he ignored everyone and then put the blame on ER for not getting together with him because their son was missing-JMO.

There was no reason for him to "wait" on Elaine......he had a whole week to ask for help from the media before she talked to ABC.....the way it has played out, he gets to play the "poor, poor pitiful me" card....always blaming someone else

JMO/MOO

bbm - I know.. right? THAT'S the person who gives a quote about MR? The guy who ocassionally sells him his cigarettes?! I can hear the response already, "He just can't win no matter what." Not true. At least for me.

This is his community, his son's community, the community that he claimed was "great" (in the same breath he declared ER his problem), the community that's been so supportive and is rallying to bring Dylan home. Where are his friends and co-workers? Neighbors? Casual pleasant acquaintances (other than cigarette guy)?

I would think he'd be especially frustrated that his son was abducted from or near HIS home on a rare visit with him while he was out running errands, but I'm not seeing it. I guess my expectation of urgency would be higher if my child was missing, but that's just me and it's not fair to expect MR to act the same way.
 
  • #507
O/t (kind of)-- MSNBC is airing a documentary on Johnny Gosch who went missing in 1982, at age 12 while on his bike route. His mother's advocacy in trying to find her son helped launch the Nat'l Center For Missing & Exploited Children.

Interesting on its own but of course Dylan on the mind.
 
  • #508
And just an observation, but if this was his normal routine when he was at his Dad's, it can be understood why MR wasn't immediately concerned when he returned home and DR wasn't there.

I think so too. I think it was his normal routine at home with mum too. And I don't think there is anything wrong with that in either case. My teens love doing that typical boy stuff outside with mates - swimming, running around hiding in bushes, building stuff with junk, fishing and looking for critters. I love it too because it gets them away from computers and other technology for a while. This is another horrible reminder for all of us who might feel that living in a small town or in a rural area doesn't guarantee their safety from bad people while they enjoying simple freedoms. :(
 
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bbm - I know.. right? THAT'S the person who gives a quote about MR? The guy who ocassionally sells him his cigarettes?! I can hear the response already, "He just can't win no matter what." Not true. At least for me.

This is his community, his son's community, the community that he claimed was "great" (in the same breath he declared ER his problem), the community that's been so supportive and is rallying to bring Dylan home. Where are his friends and co-workers? Neighbors? Casual pleasant acquaintances (other than cigarette guy)?

I would think he'd be especially frustrated that his son was abducted from or near HIS home on a rare visit with him while he was out running errands, but I'm not seeing it. I guess my expectation of urgency would be higher if my child was missing, but that's just me and it's not fair to expect MR to act the same way.

Seriously we get the picture though surely - MR is the kind of person who is dealing with this particularly horrible stressful event by holing up inside. He's a man who lives on his own and guilty or not, he wouldn't be trusting too many people right now IMO. His every word and expression have been picked apart and slammed so far. The cigarette guy just happens to be the local that particular reported decided to give a couple of lines to in that article. Doesn't anyone think we would be reading about it in bold headlines if reporters were getting lots of negative quotes from locals about MR? Honestly I read that comment and thought - yes... he probably looks gaunt and sick with worry and is probably sitting at home chain smoking and hoping for good news too.
 
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Seriously we get the picture though surely - MR is the kind of person who is dealing with this particularly horrible stressful event by holing up inside. He's a man who lives on his own and guilty or not, he wouldn't be trusting too many people right now IMO. His every word and expression has been picked apart and slammed so far. The cigarette guy just happens to be the local that particular reported decided to give a couple of lines to in that article. Doesn't anyone think we would be reading about it in bold headlines if reporters were getting lots of negative quotes from locals about MR? Honestly I read that comment and thought - yes... he probably looks gaunt and sick with worry and is probably sitting at home chain smoking and hoping for good news too.

Exactly. I keep thinking of the song by John Meyer, Waiting on the World to Change. There's a line that says, "When they own the information, they can bend it all they want..."
 
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Seriously we get the picture though surely - MR is the kind of person who is dealing with this particularly horrible stressful event by holing up inside. He's a man who lives on his own and guilty or not, he wouldn't be trusting too many people right now IMO. His every word and expression has been picked apart and slammed so far. The cigarette guy just happens to be the local that particular reported decided to give a couple of lines to in that article. Doesn't anyone think we would be reading about it in bold headlines if reporters were getting lots of negative quotes from locals about MR? Honestly I read that comment and thought - yes... he probably looks gaunt and sick with worry and is probably sitting at home chain smoking and hoping for good news too.

Like I said in my post

I can hear the response already, "He just can't win no matter what."


And I'd love to hear some unbiased parties, not associated with MR or ER, come out and talk about the wonderful relationship MR has with Dylan, how great MR is with his son, ..something like that.

I'm pretty sure if we were hearing negative things about MR in those big bold headlines from local reporters, some folks would have a meltdown at the finger-pointing.
I think the community is staying silent both ways in the MSM regarding MR. I think we WOULD hear glowing, wonderful, rave reviews about him more so than bashing of him.
I think when the family friend was on NG and she was asked about MR's potential involvement or what she thought happened to Dylan her stumped, evasive, somewhat silent answer summed up that people in the area are just looking for Dylan and aren't paying MR much attention.
I think the locals are probably going pretty darn crazy that this case is so incredibly hush-hush, whether MR is involved or not, because this precious boy is missing and LE is either sitting on a potential POI or they have no idea whatsoever what transpired.
I think they're walking on eggshells and I think that the family and community are being kept in the dark, for what reason, I'm not sure, but I don't see how any of it is helping Dylan.

And I think that if MR has any awareness of himself and this situation, he would probably realize that scruntiny of someone in his position is part of the process, he hasn't necessarily done himself favors, LE isn't necessarily doing him any favors, but in the grand scheme of things so long as LE is doing their job .. F everyone else since his son is the only thing that matters.
 
  • #512
Yeah, I don't get this top secret attitude of so many LE agencies regarding missing kids. It is the number one fear for most parents. I really think all LE is sadly unprepared to handle these cases, especially when child was last known to be with a parent. Sometimes I can almost see them shrugging as if to say, well we have our suspicions but there is nothing we can do about it.

If Dylan is no longer alive, I am not even sure that finding him will provide answers. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I know, rights and all that, but I wish there were ways to deal with the adults in these cases to enable LE to really either clear them or not. In every case I know of where they have been unable to rule out a parent or step, the child remains missing. I think LE figures those parents, if guilty, are not a threat to other children so they can just sit on it and hope for luck one day.

I don't have any answers but I know I would be begging police to test me, interrogate me, whatever, just get past me and move on. I remain astounded by the parents of some missing kids that seem to just fade away. Why aren't they all picketing the local media and police station? I don't think I could do anything else. Organize marches, protests, anything to drum up interest and support.

If police are stumped, they need to admit it and hold a PC and ask for help.
These cases are costing me my sanity. And children remain missing and soon fall out of the news altogether as though they never existed.

I think that out of all the cases that got some national coverage when they happened in recent years, the ones that won't become obscure as years go by, will be the ones with pro-active parents. I am not saying these parents will be able to get on TV whenever they want or that the victim's name will be stay well-known. But think about cases like Jacob Wetterling or Johnny Gosch or Morgan Nick. Those cases are still very well-known in their local areas, and they have almost a presence within the missing person "community". And every once in a while, there is something on a national level about them. For example, in the past 5 years, Morgan Nick's case was featured on Extreme Home Makeover and E! Investigates. And that is due to the actions of the parents to keep these cases alive. I honestly feel like as long as a case received some media interest when it happened, there is no reason for it to ever become obscure as long as the parents do *something* to keep it alive. Especially in this day and age. So I feel like even if the national media isn't interested anymore (they don't publicize new developments), there is no reason for a case to become obscure and forgotten.
 
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I think that out of all the cases that got some national coverage when they happened in recent years, the ones that won't become obscure as years go by, will be the ones with pro-active parents. I am not saying these parents will be able to get on TV whenever they want or that the victim's name will be stay well-known. But think about cases like Jacob Wetterling or Johnny Gosch or Morgan Nick. Those cases are still very well-known in their local areas, and they have almost a presence within the missing person "community". And every once in a while, there is something on a national level about them. For example, in the past 5 years, Morgan Nick's case was featured on Extreme Home Makeover and E! Investigates. And that is due to the actions of the parents to keep these cases alive. I honestly feel like as long as a case received some media interest when it happened, there is no reason for it to ever become obscure as long as the parents do *something* to keep it alive. Especially in this day and age. So I feel like even if the national media isn't interested anymore (they don't publicize new developments), there is no reason for a case to become obscure and forgotten.

Johnny and Jacob's cases are also more known, IMO, due to the rarity of hearing about such crimes at the time they occurred. But to be honest, none of my sisters or friends, all who have kids, have heard of any of them. I still think that unless you live in the community, most remain unknown. The only truly national names are the two girls who came home, Elizabeth and Jaycee, and Jon Benet, IMO. Those three names are known by most everyone, IMO.

I have two sisters in Texas and neither knew the amber alert originated there.

You really have to be interested in missing persons to recognize the names, IMO. I don't think your average person knows who Marc Klaas or Tim miller is either.
 
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I think that out of all the cases that got some national coverage when they happened in recent years, the ones that won't become obscure as years go by, will be the ones with pro-active parents. I am not saying these parents will be able to get on TV whenever they want or that the victim's name will be stay well-known. But think about cases like Jacob Wetterling or Johnny Gosch or Morgan Nick. Those cases are still very well-known in their local areas, and they have almost a presence within the missing person "community". And every once in a while, there is something on a national level about them. For example, in the past 5 years, Morgan Nick's case was featured on Extreme Home Makeover and E! Investigates. And that is due to the actions of the parents to keep these cases alive. I honestly feel like as long as a case received some media interest when it happened, there is no reason for it to ever become obscure as long as the parents do *something* to keep it alive. Especially in this day and age. So I feel like even if the national media isn't interested anymore (they don't publicize new developments), there is no reason for a case to become obscure and forgotten.

I agree. I also think that some cases have parents that would rather the case just fade into obscurity for whatever reason. I'm not at ALL implying this is the case here.
 
  • #515
I agree. I also think that some cases have parents that would rather the case just fade into obscurity for whatever reason. I'm not at ALL implying this is the case here.

The guilty ones would, of course. Many others may just feel helpless and worn out by the lack of movement or action by LE.
 
  • #516
Like I said in my post

I can hear the response already, "He just can't win no matter what."


And I'd love to hear some unbiased parties, not associated with MR or ER, come out and talk about the wonderful relationship MR has with Dylan, how great MR is with his son, ..something like that.

I'm pretty sure if we were hearing negative things about MR in those big bold headlines from local reporters, some folks would have a meltdown at the finger-pointing.
I think the community is staying silent both ways in the MSM regarding MR. I think we WOULD hear glowing, wonderful, rave reviews about him more so than bashing of him.
I think when the family friend was on NG and she was asked about MR's potential involvement or what she thought happened to Dylan her stumped, evasive, somewhat silent answer summed up that people in the area are just looking for Dylan and aren't paying MR much attention.
I think the locals are probably going pretty darn crazy that this case is so incredibly hush-hush, whether MR is involved or not, because this precious boy is missing and LE is either sitting on a potential POI or they have no idea whatsoever what transpired.
I think they're walking on eggshells and I think that the family and community are being kept in the dark, for what reason, I'm not sure, but I don't see how any of it is helping Dylan.

And I think that if MR has any awareness of himself and this situation, he would probably realize that scruntiny of someone in his position is part of the process, he hasn't necessarily done himself favors, LE isn't necessarily doing him any favors, but in the grand scheme of things so long as LE is doing their job .. F everyone else since his son is the only thing that matters.

I think we are all getting pretty good at anticipating each others responses.

I also think that MR has in fact accepted the scrutiny as part of the process - I believe he used almost those exact words when asked directly about the suspicion surrounding him. Of course I'm not sure if has been telling media to f-off since then, but at the time I thought he handled those questions in a dignified manner. Heck it's frustrating enough going around in circles here in these threads - I can't imagine actually living it.
In all fairness I also think that within a community, mums probably have the more public profile. Just the everyday routines of shopping, school visits, browsing in local stores, dropping off kids at friends etc, are all often still handled by mums in a lot of families - even when mum has her own full time job. I wonder if people might know of MR, but not really have had too much to do with him as a single man in town?
 
  • #517
I think that out of all the cases that got some national coverage when they happened in recent years, the ones that won't become obscure as years go by, will be the ones with pro-active parents. I am not saying these parents will be able to get on TV whenever they want or that the victim's name will be stay well-known. But think about cases like Jacob Wetterling or Johnny Gosch or Morgan Nick. Those cases are still very well-known in their local areas, and they have almost a presence within the missing person "community". And every once in a while, there is something on a national level about them. For example, in the past 5 years, Morgan Nick's case was featured on Extreme Home Makeover and E! Investigates. And that is due to the actions of the parents to keep these cases alive. I honestly feel like as long as a case received some media interest when it happened, there is no reason for it to ever become obscure as long as the parents do *something* to keep it alive. Especially in this day and age. So I feel like even if the national media isn't interested anymore (they don't publicize new developments), there is no reason for a case to become obscure and forgotten.

In this particular case ER seems to feel MR very well could be responsible, so I am not sure what national media will do to help find Dylan. As much as I try & put myself in her shoes, in this case, I don't know what I would do. I would assume (myself) I would go between rage & grief & everything in between. No doubt, she wants her son brought home & I understand that some people don't believe the public will search, but I believe they will. There are many, many cases where the public did indeed search for a child months & months later in the woods, in fields, etc. that they knew they weren't looking for a lost/live child. I do have faith in that people understand a missing person still has to be found & the person responsible brought to justice. It does take LE or a parent, loved one etc. to make sure that happens though once it fades from the media.
 
  • #518
I really think we will not see any more physical searching before April or so and that is unacceptable in so many ways. I know there are dangers, etc. but it just feels so wrong. But if this is the case, LE should say so. This state of nothingness comes across, IMO, as inept.
 
  • #519
Johnny and Jacob's cases are also more known, IMO, due to the rarity of hearing about such crimes at the time they occurred. But to be honest, none of my sisters or friends, all who have kids, have heard of any of them. I still think that unless you live in the community, most remain unknown. The only truly national names are the two girls who came home, Elizabeth and Jaycee, and Jon Benet, IMO. Those three names are known by most everyone, IMO.

I have two sisters in Texas and neither knew the amber alert originated there.

You really have to be interested in missing persons to recognize the names, IMO. I don't think your average person knows who Marc Klaas or Tim miller is either.

I definitely agree. But what I was trying to say was that although those cases I mentioned aren't household names or even close to it, they aren't completely obscure. For example, Jacob's case has received some national coverage in the past two years if you do a search on the websites for ABC, CNN, CBS, FOX, and MSNBC. I have seen his 20/20 on WE episode rerun frequently. And someone mentioned that MSNBC was showing a TV special about Johnny Gosch today. If the parents of these children weren't still active to this day, I doubt you would see anything about these cases in the 2000s-2010s decades.
 
  • #520
Unrelated case I know but one I got caught up in recently, moreso than many other cases because she's literally right up the street from me, I thought some of us might like to read a happy ending: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193739"]Found Safe CA- Analyce Dominguez, 15, missing on her way to school 14 Dec 2012 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame].

I keep on hoping for a happy ending for Dylan.
 
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