CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #25

[mijamawi]

I don't know about other parents on here, but if my child were missing? OH MY GOD I would do anything and everything in my power to get my child's face and name in the media. I would never ever stop. I would be contacting every newspaper, every television station, every talk show host, every reporter on this planet. I think in the beginning most parents tend to sit back and let LE do their job. But when it seems LE is getting nowhere they realize this and take matters into their own hands (as much they can). I do believe this is the point that Elaine is at.

Do you though, think that's where ER is? Before this last interview when did she talk to media? Is she contacting every newspaper, talk show, etc? Why isn't she publicly demanding answers from le? Before y'all jump on me, I'm not accusing her of anything I'm just saying why isn't she being held to the same standard y'all are bashing mr for?

 

[raine1212]

Meet for Drinks
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195242&page=11

 

[Salem]

Oh that's right. According to MR, Dylan took a fishing pole and must have drowned in the lake.

Sorry for the snark. Sometimes it is hard to sigh and read and post and agree to disagree and all that.

It's Saturday night again- scotch neat, right? Tonight I think I'm opting for a Sam Adams. Goes better with chili and football.

Normally, I would just remove this post and move on. BUT there has been a LOT of snark in this thread and it needs to STOP. So.... using this post for an example, please don't do this. It is against TOS and will result in a TO.

Just because posters have differing opinions - doesn't make either side right. We should be trying to work as a team here - to do what we can to bring Dylan home. Not barking and sniping at one another because we can't convince them to think the same way we do. If everyone is thinking the same, nobody's thinking.

Group think is easy, just do and say what everyone else does. But thinking individually is much more productive - because it shows how evidence and circumstances can be interpreted by others, and gives others something else to think about - not necessarily to change their mind - that's not the point - it is just to show there are others ways to interpret the same information. Working through all the ideas, opinions, theory and speculation can help us all form a bigger, clearer picture of what might have happened.

Okay that's my lecture for the evening and it is also the final warning on being snarky in this thread. TOs will be handed out, without pm's or further warnings, if you cannot post without being snarky.

This is a very interesting case, with lots of twists and turns, and plausible explanations for much of the circumstancial evidence. I, for one, am very intriqued.

Just alert posts and move on, okay?

Thanks,

Salem

 

[Tennlyn]

To add to it, if you look under the news section on the new Hope for Dylan Redwine website, the video of her ABC interview has been edited to take out her original statements of accusation. I think this link will take you right to the video on the site -

http://finddylan.com/newstoday/good-morning-america-video

Umm...that's the exact same video posted on ABC's website.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...r-colorado-boy-who-vanished-during-dad-visit/

I sincerely doubt that ABC would have picked up an edited video from the family's website. Seems to me that if in fact it was edited, ABC did it. :moo:

 

[Wild@Heart]

When would you stop?

When found!

 

[Tennlyn]

When found!

My tombstone would read: "Please keep searching for my beloved son."

 

[The Cheese]

Umm...that's the exact same video posted on ABC's website.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...r-colorado-boy-who-vanished-during-dad-visit/

I sincerely doubt that ABC would have picked up an edited video from the family's website. Seems to me that if in fact it was edited, ABC did it. :moo:

hmmmm. Thanks, Tennlyn. I remembered it as having Elaine saying something like she was afraid Mark had harmed Dylan, that he might have thought if he couldn't have him, nobody could.

I apologize. I must have been thinking of a different interview. I could have sworn it was ABC. My mistake.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

When would you stop?

<modsnip>. NEVER!!! I would take a bullet for my child...without hesitation. Most parents would.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Do you though, think that's where ER is? Before this last interview when did she talk to media? Is she contacting every newspaper, talk show, etc? Why isn't she publicly demanding answers from le? Before y'all jump on me, I'm not accusing her of anything I'm just saying why isn't she being held to the same standard y'all are bashing mr for?

What if LE has no answers? Then what?

 

[Salem]

When would you stop?

This is a hard question. What does "stop" mean? At some point, depending on your life circumstances, you have to find a way to continue to search, while caring for your other children and ensuring you don't become homeless.

Just because parents don't do what we think they should, doesn't mean they have stopped searching or given up. There are numerous ways to keep the search going while taking care of yourself and your home, so that when you find your child, they have a parent and a home to come back too, kwim?

It is expensive. Donations will take you aways, but if the search lasts for years, 99% of the expense will be up to you.

Each family/parent has to figure out for themselves the best way to use their resources, and if there are other children at home, how best to protect them.

As for media - the media will do as it wants. Parents might beg for coverage and not be able to find any sources that are willing to help them keep the story alive. At some point, media may only be willing to do stories on the anniversaries of the event. Certainly they won't publish stories everyday if they think there is no interest or there is a bigger story. Nothing the parents can do about that, except continue to beg and make sure they have good copy ready and waiting, in case someone agrees to publish something.

What is most important, is keeping LE on the case, imo. Being the squeeky wheel that gets the grease at the local police station.

It sounds like LE is still working this case. I do wish they would let TES or Klaaskids come in and help search - but then again, there may be valid reasons why LE is not ready to contact them?

Salem

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I never said I would quit my job and become homeless while searching. I just said I would never stop!

 

[eileenhawkeye]

From looking at cases where the parents weren't involved, in pretty much all of them, the parents do *something* for their child's case. Not all parents have the privilege of being able to get national media attention or even local media, especially as time goes by, but they will make a website for the child's case, use facebook, post on true crime forums, etc.

 

[princessk]

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Family-of-Missing-Teen-Not-Giving-up-Hope-186259192.html


"I’ve always believed someone has him,” Elaine said Wednesday night. “I am pleading to whoever has him or knows what happened, let us know."

Thanks again. Salem already provided a good link/video that we have been commenting on

 

[SmoothOperator]

I'm sorry, I must have missed this, where did you see him stating this? Thanks!

No, I'm sorry as it appears as tho I wasn't clear as evident by the above post and those who agree..

IMO since my post there actually have been a couple of members post doing a great job of explaining the meaning that I failed to be clear to some about..

I take it that everyone is aware of the suspicion swirling around MR's possible involvement..and definitely not only here at WS, but for example also other members of the public, as well as ER initially spoke out regarding her suspicion of her ex-husband, MR..

So, as for ER(who was your main question about in not understanding).. she does NOT know whether Dylan's no longer being here is a result of her ex-husband, MR..or has Dylan been abducted and met with foul play in a way THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MR..

Therefor IMO quite obvious that ER HAS NO WAY OF KNOWING FOR CERTAIN which of the above two is accurate..(IMO she especially doesn't have a way of knowing when MR has and continues to REFUSE any communication whatsoever with ER/CR)

I am hoping that the above is now clear enough for any who didn't understand my first post.

Because in coming around full circle back to MR IMO my point is blatantly obvious and IMO can't get any more accurate in stating as fact that while ER has NO WAY OF KNOWING FOR CERTAIN if MR is responsible for Dylan no longer being here...

MUCH DIFFERENT is it for MR in he is truly the only human being who knows without a shadow of a doubt whether he is or is not responsible for Dylan no longer being here..

Therefor he has the full knowledge that SOMEOME OTHER THAN HIMSELF has taken his son and is responsible for his son no longer being here.. MR KNOWS THIS WHERE ER DOES NOT..

IMO if I wasn't clear enough in my previous post or in the above description my sincerest apologies to all.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

And I would be calling LE every day. If I were Elaine I would be knocking on MR's door begging for something...anything...help...help finding their son. Like I said, I would want to know everything that happened every second from the time he landed until he disappeared. They obviously cared about each other enough at one point to get married and make babies. Surely she can appeal to him and convince him to help. There should be 2 people in this world that love Dylan more than anyone. Mom and Dad. And those are the 2 that should be working together for Dylan's sake.

 

[princessk]

Do you though, think that's where ER is? Before this last interview when did she talk to media? Is she contacting every newspaper, talk show, etc? Why isn't she publicly demanding answers from le? Before y'all jump on me, I'm not accusing her of anything I'm just saying why isn't she being held to the same standard y'all are bashing mr for?

Because MR was the last seen with Dylan. He has the last pieces of information we have before Dylan's disappearance. Of course he is held to a different standard.

 

[TxLady2]

Question for everyone:

Of all the evidence that we know - meaning things we know are true and not rumors - and MR was charged with this crime, which evidence would be "good enough" to be used at a trial?

You can speak from the DA's perspective ("this will help the jury/judge find the guy guilty") or a jury perspective ("this will help me think that the guy is guilty") - just say which.

And don't consider sentencing which is an entirely different matter. Just guilt or innocence.

EDIT: Let me add that there is no right or wrong answer. I'm not going to debate any responses to my question, and I encourage everyone here to do the same.

How can we answer that when we don't know what evidence they have? This is kind of getting the cart before the horse, isn't it? Someone is going to have to be charged for a crime, and right now we don't know what that crime is. The case would have to be presented to a GJ before they can get an indictment. (I think CO uses GJ's, have to check.)
I don't think this case is anywhere close to charging anyone yet. So, IMO, it's a little premature to start discussing a trial and the evidence.

 

[princessk]

No, I'm sorry as it appears as tho I wasn't clear as evident by the above post and those who agree..

IMO since my post there actually have been a couple of members post doing a great job of explaining the meaning that I failed to be clear to some about..

I take it that everyone is aware of the suspicion swirling around MR's possible involvement..and definitely not only here at WS, but for example also other members of the public, as well as ER initially spoke out regarding her suspicion of her ex-husband, MR..

So, as for ER(who was your main question about in not understanding).. she does NOT know whether Dylan's no longer being here is a result of her ex-husband, MR..or has Dylan been abducted and met with foul play in a way THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MR..

Therefor IMO quite obvious that ER HAS NO WAY OF KNOWING FOR CERTAIN which of the above two is accurate..(IMO she especially doesn't have a way of knowing when MR has and continues to REFUSE any communication whatsoever with ER/CR)

I am hoping that the above is now clear enough for any who didn't understand my first post.

Because in coming around full circle back to MR IMO my point is blatantly obvious and IMO can't get any more accurate in stating as fact that while ER has NO WAY OF KNOWING FOR CERTAIN if MR is responsible for Dylan no longer being here...

MUCH DIFFERENT is it for MR in he is truly the only human being who knows without a shadow of a doubt whether he is or is not responsible for Dylan no longer being here..

Therefor he has the full knowledge that SOMEOME OTHER THAN HIMSELF has taken his son and is responsible for his son no longer being here.. MR KNOWS THIS WHERE ER DOES NOT..

IMO if I wasn't clear enough in my previous post or in the above description my sincerest apologies to all.

Well said.

 

[PaulR]

No, I'm sorry as it appears as tho I wasn't clear as evident by the above post and those who agree..

IMO since my post there actually have been a couple of members post doing a great job of explaining the meaning that I failed to be clear to some about..

I take it that everyone is aware of the suspicion swirling around MR's possible involvement..and definitely not only here at WS, but for example also other members of the public, as well as ER initially spoke out regarding her suspicion of her ex-husband, MR..

So, as for ER(who was your main question about in not understanding).. she does NOT know whether Dylan's no longer being here is a result of her ex-husband, MR..or has Dylan been abducted and met with foul play in a way THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MR..

Therefor IMO quite obvious that ER HAS NO WAY OF KNOWING FOR CERTAIN which of the above two is accurate..(IMO she especially doesn't have a way of knowing when MR has and continues to REFUSE any communication whatsoever with ER/CR)

I am hoping that the above is now clear enough for any who didn't understand my first post.

Because in coming around full circle back to MR IMO my point is blatantly obvious and IMO can't get any more accurate in stating as fact that while ER has NO WAY OF KNOWING FOR CERTAIN if MR is responsible for Dylan no longer being here...

MUCH DIFFERENT is it for MR in he is truly the only human being who knows without a shadow of a doubt whether he is or is not responsible for Dylan no longer being here..

Therefor he has the full knowledge that SOMEOME OTHER THAN HIMSELF has taken his son and is responsible for his son no longer being here.. MR KNOWS THIS WHERE ER DOES NOT..

IMO if I wasn't clear enough in my previous post or in the above description my sincerest apologies to all.

Thanks for the response, but I'm still not aware of MR stating that he knows Dylan was abducted, which was my original question.

Obviously MR knows whether he did it or not - but there's a big difference between MR knowing he is innocent and MR knowing whether DR was abducted or not. If I'm not being clear, please let me know.

 

[Wild@Heart]

And I would be calling LE every day. If I were Elaine I would be knocking on MR's door begging for something...anything...help...help finding their son. Like I said, I would want to know everything that happened every second from the time he landed until he disappeared. They obviously cared about each other enough at one point to get married and make babies. Surely she can appeal to him and convince him to help. There should be 2 people in this world that love Dylan more than anyone. Mom and Dad. And those are the 2 that should be working together for Dylan's sake.

I would camp in front of the police station. If it took me the rest of my life, there would be no rock left un-turned (literally). I would do whatever I could to get on television, even if it was negative attention directed at me...oh wait I have done that for a strangers child!