CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #36

[TxJan1971]

Completely agree. Never suspected the parents/mom's boyfriend at all and the elements in that case were entirely different than this case.

I know there are many "voices" in the public realm that like to point fingers and say negative things, but I would hope that on a site such as this one, (and many other criminal analysis sites) that people have a better informed grasp on these situations. I do realize that some participants just don't see eye to eye with what others see, but hopefully we are all here to learn and become educated. Things may not be what they appear to be or what we want them to be, but the reality is, we cannot change the truth. It is what it is. JMO

Sorry for asking, but is this the same case where the dad was a RSO and came out pretty early on and admitted all that publicly to clear the way to find the perp?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Hey KId I have this great fishing trip planned your going to go ahead with so N so and ill follow have a few things to take care of with my lawyer! Poof!

Something tells me Dylan would not go for it. His main focus was on getting to his friends. IMO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Sorry for asking, but is this the same case where the dad was a RSO and came out pretty early on and admitted all that publicly to clear the way to find the perp?

Exactly!!!

 

[cluciano63]

Hey KId I have this great fishing trip planned your going to go ahead with so N so and ill follow have a few things to take care of with my lawyer! Poof!

I do not believe Dylan would be interested. He had plans to see his friends. Even MR said that was important to him.

 

[*Lash*]

Oh gosh I never felt like her parents or even the Mom's BF were involved. I know there was speculation and lots of comments about family members words and body language etc, but I never saw anything strange. I thought her Father was about as straight forward as they come. Her Mother looked to me to be distraught and possibly even medicated.

To me this case, is nowhere near the same.

I personally did not suspect anyone in Sierra's family, but many people suspected her mother and BF. Especially after her mother went on Nancy Grace. NG put her on the spot and the way ML responded many took it as very suspicious. Even the expert on the show questioned ML's response. There were many arguments on the thread here at WS. I do believe this is the ONLY area where these two cases are similar. The divide in theories and what each believe happened to the kids.

 

[Eileen730]

Something tells me Dylan would not go for it. His main focus was on getting to his friends. IMO

But if dad wasnt letting him go to his friends and he takes his phone he goes!
Hes 13 MR is his father. He really has no say in the matter. So fishing pole in hand off he goes. happy or unhappy.
At least this scenario has him alive out there somewhere, but thats not what I think happend.

 

[cluciano63]

I think that a lot of complicated, unlikely scenarios are being put forth to have Dylan safely stowed away by a family member, none of which make any sense, or explain why LE cannot figure out the who, if not where. In cases when a family member takes a child, LE almost always knows who had the child, as that person is missing as well.

Imo, either he was abducted by someone with bad intentions or came to grief at the hands of MR. Nothing else makes sense, or is at all likely, IMO, since LE has apparently found no evidence of a scenario that has him being "hidden" and admits to knowing next to nothing.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I know there was a lot of speculation about Samantha Koenig's father too. While I found him to be a little rough around the edges, it was quite apparent to me that he adored his daughter. I never suspected him.

I'm not one to jump on the bandwagon and go with what many might see as the obvious. I know how to wade through the BS and try to figure out what is fact vs rumor.

My biggest red flags with this case are MR's lack of concern/urgency in finding Dylan and his obvious obsession/animosity towards Elaine. His focus is way to much on her and not enough on Dylan IMO. I find this to be extremely disturbing and concerning.

 

[SCHMAE]

I think that a lot of complicated, unlikely scenarios are being put forth to have Dylan safely stowed away by a family member, none of which make any sense, or explain why LE cannot figure out the who, if not where. In cases when a family member takes a child, LE almost always knows who had the child, as that person is missing as well.

Imo, either he was abducted by someone with bad intentions or came to grief at the hands of MR. Nothing else makes sense, or is at all likely, IMO, since LE has apparently found no evidence of a scenario that has him being "hidden" and admits to knowing next to nothing.

I agree with you . That he's stowed away and there is a happy ending at some point is probably a pipedream but it sounds way better than the alternatives.

 

[tlcya]

I agree Cluciano, that is my belief as well. some of the theories being put forth are too complex and convoluted for me to think they are very likely.

Not poo poo ing anyone else, just stating my own thoughts on the matter.

 

[ColdHands]

I suggest everyone keep reading up on family abductions. What I'm finding is interesting. The Department of Justice article I posted above tells the story of abductions from the child's point of view. Absolutely heartbreaking, but yes, in every instance the child went along willingly because it was their parent. Have not found a perfect match to Dylan's story yet but I am still looking.

This site talks about family abduction laws. Colorado processes family abduction as a felony.
http://www.stopfamilyabductionsnow.org/report/4_system_response.html

This paragraph on the site caught my eye though (no disrespect intended to any LE)

Unfortunately, many federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies and prosecutors cited a general lack of knowledge and protocol in dealing with family abductions as the Achilles’ heel in their ability to quickly and effectively carry out their responsibilities. In fact, 70 percent of law enforcement agencies reported that they did not have written policies and procedures governing family abduction cases, and 63 percent did not receive formal training on the handling of family abduction cases.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I just feel like without finding Dylan there are going to be no answers. I hope Wendy and her dogs really are good and really are determined to search for as long as it takes. I think this might be our only hope.

I don't think LE knows where else to search or what else to do. I do think they are keeping their eyes and ears peeled and are still working the case. But unless something breaks, they obviously don't have enough for an arrest.

Going on Dr Phil will get Dylan's name and face out to millions. If he is alive somewhere this is fantastic. Sadly I don't think that's the case. Even if Dr Phil breaks MR down and exposes things it's not going to help LE IMO. Heck even if he were to convince MR to do a polygraph and he out and out fails it won't help LE.

 

[cluciano63]

I suggest everyone keep reading up on family abductions. What I'm finding is interesting. The Department of Justice article I posted above tells the story of abductions from the child's point of view. Absolutely heartbreaking, but yes, in every instance the child went along willingly because it was their parent. Have not found a perfect match to Dylan's story yet but I am still looking.

This site talks about family abduction laws. Colorado processes family abduction as a felony.
http://www.stopfamilyabductionsnow.org/report/4_system_response.html

This paragraph on the site caught my eye though (no disrespect intended to any LE)

Yes, went with their parent, whom they loved and trusted. Did any go with someone other than a parent, or maybe a grandparent, if they were old enough to think for themselves? Some "friend" of a parent? And if so, how long did this arrangement hold?

 

[rosesfromangels]

I agree Cluciano, that is my belief as well. some of the theories being put forth are too complex and convoluted for me to think they are very likely.

Not poo poo ing anyone else, just stating my own thoughts on the matter.

In my heart I know you are most likely right. Kryon too. But there's just that part of me that won't stop praying for miracles, as rare as they are.
: )

 

[Lordeebee]

SO I'm thinking basements ! Who lives in an area where every home has a basement and can tell us about their sturdiness, soundproofing qualities, depths, about how easy it is to make a hidden basement? or an escape hatch in the basement ? Idk, do I watch too many movies? Maybe. But anywhere in CO, I feel a basement is quiet and I don't know can you hear upstairs if someone is in a basement yelling? I don't know that I've ever been inside one, so sorry if the questions are stupid. tks

In the first "cursory" search:
"We were checking the basement and other rooms, we were seeing if there had been something left on the bed, like his cellphone," Bender said. "We weren't doing a very meticulous search."

 

[ColdHands]

More statistics on family abduction:
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/196466.pdf

Dylan's age makes it much more unlikely, as the majority of children abducted by family are under 6. Children age 12-14 accounted for 17%. This article also provides statistics for nonparental abduction -

Table 5 shows that just more than half (53 percent) of children abducted by a family member in 1999 were abducted by the biological father. Twenty-five percent were abducted by the biological mother. Fourteen percent were abducted by a grandparent, and there were also some abductions by a sibling, uncle, aunt, and mother's boyfriend

I am providing these links for my own edification and just in case there are some preconceptions about what family abduction looks like.

 

[asyousay]

I think Dylan is too old for somebody in the family to be involved in kidnapping him to punish the other parent . For a start it does not work when you use that logic for Elaine as she has a wonderful new career, engaged and a brand new home . Also she has custody of Dylan . So why on earth would she be involved in such a plot , IMO its a none starter !

Mark has a lot more to gain by doing this as he has lost . He has no Dylan and he has Elaine enjoying her new life and Dylan also gets a step dad . Mark had the time and the motive but even so its now been 3 months and I would of thought he would of reached out to whoever had Dylan just to make sure everything was ok .. Also when the FBI get involved surely the person Mark has paid off would get cold feet and come forward as why would they risk jail time ?!

Which is why I think Dylan is dead . It's been simply to long for a good outcome IMO

:cow: :moo:

 

[scorekeeper]

In the first "cursory" search:
"We were checking the basement and other rooms, we were seeing if there had been something left on the bed, like his cellphone," Bender said. "We weren't doing a very meticulous search."

BBM

interesting....what bed? Thought Mark said Dylan slept on the couch. Did he show LE Dylan's room first...then another change in story???

 

[mmmagique]

Colorado is an interesting state when It comes to child support and alimony. Even though it's been more then 15 years, my ex had to pay child support even though he didn't have a job. They based it off what he made at previous jobs. I was working at the time. A family member just went and got "sole custody" meaning no visitation, no contact, nothing from the father. All the descisions are hers. He still has to pay child support. A person I know has to pay alimony and up until a few months ago the mortgage on a house she got in the divorce (they sold the house).

Almost all states impute an income if a person is unemployed or underemployed. They go by what you could be making, not necessarily what you are making.

Sole custody generally means you have all the decision making ability, but it does not mean no visitation. (unless something else is going on and was ordered.)

Child support is not an admission ticket to see your child. What that means is, child support does not guarantee you the right to see your child, AND the other way around, even if the parent who is supposed to be paying child support is not, that does not mean you can withhold visitation.

 

[Salem]

I think Dylan is too old for somebody in the family to be involved in kidnapping him to punish the other parent . For a start it does not work when you use that logic for Elaine as she has a wonderful new career, engaged and a brand new home . Also she has custody of Dylan . So why on earth would she be involved in such a plot , IMO its a none starter !

Mark has a lot more to gain by doing this as he has lost . He has no Dylan and he has Elaine enjoying her new life and Dylan also gets a step dad . Mark had the time and the motive but even so its now been 3 months and I would of thought he would of reached out to whoever had Dylan just to make sure everything was ok .. Also when the FBI get involved surely the person Mark has paid off would get cold feet and come forward as why would they risk jail time ?!

Which is why I think Dylan is dead . It's been simply to long for a good outcome IMO

:cow: :moo:

I can see why ER might have scuttled Dylan off. I don't think it is a nonstarter at all, BUT I don't think she did. There was a custody battle going on. ER came out right away and said she felt MR was capable of hurting Dylan. If ER truely felt that way, it makes perfect sense for her to do everything possible to keep Dylan out of harm's way. And who would fault her for that? I sure wouldn't. If I believed that someone would hurt my child, I would do what it takes to protect them (I hope) and not be blindsided by BS.

There was a case several years ago where a mom hid her kids and would not tell the court where they were. She went to jail for awhile, but she didn't give her kids up.

Again, I'm not saying that this happened and I don't think this happened, I'm just saying it is possible. And it does not have to mean anything bad about ER.

Salem