CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #40

[YidArmyRach]

BBM IF there are remains in water, and IF MR is responsible, I believe he is relying on the fishing pole/accidental drowning scenario. I've thought from the first that the fishing pole was something to either suggest an accident or to point searchers in the wrong direction. MR was still talking about that fishing pole on Dr. Phil. All MOO

But for the fishing pole/accident story to be believable, then surely Dylan will have to be found to have eaten cereal and died on the Monday - which goes against all the circumstantial evidence which suggests something happened on the Sunday night. And accidental drowning won't be accepted as a cause of death if, as people have suggested, Dylan was killed during an argument and has injuries consistent with this, and no water in his lungs.

Surely even MR would understand basic forensics, and know that a cause of death would be easy to prove if the body had been preserved in icy water.

Either he is incredibly stupid, panicked after a tragic accident/unplanned fight or didn't do it. I can find things to support all 3 - I don't envy LE with this one.

 

[Ronald99]

Well he did put the blame on his good friend Jim Beam for not taking the poly. So I would say yes Jim needs to be put to the top of the list of POI's in this case.

:floorlaugh:

Yea and the excuse it was a small bottle like a pint, Police always ask drivers, How many beers did you drink, Just a couple !!

 

[ColdHands]

The fishing pole is hinky to me, but maybe not for the same reason as others have mentioned. How was that pole identified? "Its owner has been found." How do you find the owner of a broken fishing pole (I'm certain I read it was broken.) I've not seen people put names and addresses on poles before. Who identified it?

Did they collect it as evidence? If they did, would they have been showing it around while they talked to people who were potential witnesses? "Hey, we found this pole up by the dam, is it yours?"

:banghead:

 

[TxLady2]

BBM

We are all entitled to our own opinions - just like those who have their minds made up that "MR done it".
There is still a couple of us that are undecided. Still on that fence, still need evidence.
JMO.

Well said!! If I knew what he was supposed to be guilty of, I might be better able to say he's guilty or he's innocent, but nobody knows what happened. One would have to know what the crime is before one could determine his guilt or innocence.

All I am convinced of at this moment is, he had some reason for not taking that poly. He is either scared that he would fail it or he just wants to make Dylan's mother suffer more. IDK... but he should have taken it. There's no excuse for him refusing to take it. None.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Yea and the excuse it was a small bottle like a pint, Police always ask drivers, How many beers did you drink, Just a couple !!

My ex's answer was always 'I just had A BEER'. He just forgot to include how many rum and cokes he had on top of that. LOL

 

[Eileen730]

Has anybody asked him?

I dont know!
Im sure LE has!

 

[pattywack]

IF it is Dylan in there, and IF MR put him there, then surely MR isn't going to sit around and wait till the divers recover him?

Apologies for the graphic nature of the next bit .....

I mean, the conditions must be perfect for preserving forensic evidence (injuries, proof of drowning/proof of a different cause of death, food in his stomach etc). If its Dylan and he has cereal in his stomach, then MR's story is true as far as Dylan was alive, at the house, and ate cereal on the Monday morning. However, I guess there is the chance that something could have happened AFTER MR's return from his chores, which I don't think has been suggested yet?

How bizarre would it be if the stories of the dead phone, no internet access, Dylan sleeping in and not contacting anyone were true ..... and the actual answer was something nobody had considered. Like MR coming back and saying "Sorry, but I'm really not up for that drive now, I've been on the go all day" and Dylan getting angry having waited all morning? All just brainstorming, not suggesting it happened.

However, if he had McD's in his stomach, then the whole Monday morning story is a pack of lies and can be proven to be. What I'm trying to say is, if its Dylan and if Mark is responsible, why would he be calmly waiting for the truth to come out, if he is guilty. Because its no secret that there is very likely a body waiting to be found in that lake, and no one else appears to be missing.

So, if MR sticks around as he has done so far, surely this could actually indicate that he has done nothing wrong at all.

My theory is that if it is Dylan in the lake MR expected him to be found soon after and in his smugness it would be passed off as an accidental drowning .Hence the fishing pole,his story of the campground and the bridge because he knew he would be found in this area. He figured it would end at that.It's gone much farther than he ever dreamed. I wonder if he is still around.MO.

 

[Ronald99]

BBM IF there are remains in water, and IF MR is responsible, I believe he is relying on the fishing pole/accidental drowning scenario. I've thought from the first that the fishing pole was something to either suggest an accident or to point searchers in the wrong direction. MR was still talking about that fishing pole on Dr. Phil. All MOO

I'm waiting and praying they find Dylan's backpack, MR made a statement Dylan's cell phone was in his backpack with his other devices and chargers.

MR has intentionally on many occasions stated water, river, lake, Dylan's cell phone in the backpack explanation will be interesting.

 

[deoneta]

But for the fishing pole/accident story to be believable, then surely Dylan will have to be found to have eaten cereal and died on the Monday - which goes against all the circumstantial evidence which suggests something happened on the Sunday night. And accidental drowning won't be accepted as a cause of death if, as people have suggested, Dylan was killed during an argument and has injuries consistent with this, and no water in his lungs.

Surely even MR would understand basic forensics, and know that a cause of death would be easy to prove if the body had been preserved in icy water.

Either he is incredibly stupid, panicked after a tragic accident/unplanned fight or didn't do it. I can find things to support all 3 - I don't envy LE with this one.

I don't think he is stupid at all. But I do think his habit of adding extraneous details to create "realism" as he rambles through the timeline could be his undoing. All MOO

 

[ColdHands]

I'm waiting and praying they find Dylan's backpack, MR made a statement Dylan's cell phone was in his backpack with his other devices and chargers.

MR has intentionally on many occasions stated water, river, lake, Dylan's cell phone in the backpack explanation will be interesting.

Mark lives next to a river that feeds a big lake. So I sure wouldn't hold it against him for talking about those things.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

The fishing pole is hinky to me, but maybe not for the same reason as others have mentioned. How was that pole identified? "Its owner has been found." How do you find the owner of a broken fishing pole (I'm certain I read it was broken.) I've not seen people put names and addresses on poles before. Who identified it?

Did they collect it as evidence? If they did, would they have been showing it around while they talked to people who were potential witnesses? "Hey, we found this pole up by the dam, is it yours?"

:banghead:

Yes I can't figure out how they found it's owner either.

On DP Cory did ask MR why he noticed the fishing pole being gone when it's in the garage. MR said it was not always in the garage, sometimes it was in the living room. HUH? Why would he keep Dylan's pole in the living room sometimes? Makes ZERO sense!

Did Dylan take a tackle box too? Lures? Nobody is going to walk that far to fish and not be prepared. Didn't Elaine even say something about Dylan not even knowing how to string a line? Anyone that fishes knows that lines get caught up and break all the time and need to be re-strung and you can't fish without bait or lures and you need other things found in a tackle box. The fishing pole has been an issue for me since the beginning.

 

[deoneta]

I'm waiting and praying they find Dylan's backpack, MR made a statement Dylan's cell phone was in his backpack with his other devices and chargers.

MR has intentionally on many occasions stated water, river, lake, Dylan's cell phone in the backpack explanation will be interesting.

Yes, that is a great point, his belongings gathered up and stuffed in the backpack as opposed to what would be more usual, his phone in his pocket. All MOO

 

[SCHMAE]

My ex's answer was always 'I just had A BEER'. He just forgot to include how many rum and cokes he had on top of that. LOL

Ha ! This reminds me of a super drunk near our old neighborhood. Once he drove his truck into our yard and passed out with his feet sticking out the window. I walked over and said ' did you have a few too many?' and he replied' NOPE,,,,,,just one too many'

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I'm waiting and praying they find Dylan's backpack, MR made a statement Dylan's cell phone was in his backpack with his other devices and chargers.

MR has intentionally on many occasions stated water, river, lake, Dylan's cell phone in the backpack explanation will be interesting.

And this is another issue I have. How did Mark know what Dylan did or did not have in his backpack? He even stated that he didn't bring any games or something like that. How did he know? How did he know there was no jacket in there?

 

[TxLady2]

She said one thing, but mr says another (as does MB's cell phone)

I know for a fact that some providers have service in some areas that other providers do not. If she had a different service provider than MB or Mark did, it could make a big difference.

My son has Verizon, and we have AT&T. My son could not get a signal in some places when he was driving a truck, yet my husband had been in that same area on his route, and had no problem with getting a signal any time.

We have to go outside to get a good signal with our phones. Yet my son can sit on my sofa and call or text with no problem.

 

[Flutterflies]

Yes I can't figure out how they found it's owner either.

On DP Cory did ask MR why he noticed the fishing pole being gone when it's in the garage. MR said it was not always in the garage, sometimes it was in the living room. HUH? Why would he keep Dylan's pole in the living room sometimes? Makes ZERO sense!

Did Dylan take a tackle box too? Lures? Nobody is going to walk that far to fish and not be prepared. Didn't Elaine even say something about Dylan not even knowing how to string a line? Anyone that fishes knows that lines get caught up and break all the time and need to be re-strung and you can't fish without bait or lures and you need other things found in a tackle box. The fishing pole has been an issue for me since the beginning.

I don't have the answers but thought I would add another question on the fishing topic …

Does anyone recall early on in this case it being mentioned that Dylan took a course in fishing, maybe fly fishing, in school? I remember this because I thought that would be a great course to take in school and a plus to living in that area … school courses exploring the natural habitat in the area. This course, I think, was last school year. I don't recall seeing much more about it since the initial report so I wonder where that information came from.

 

[Ronald99]

But for the fishing pole/accident story to be believable, then surely Dylan will have to be found to have eaten cereal and died on the Monday - which goes against all the circumstantial evidence which suggests something happened on the Sunday night. And accidental drowning won't be accepted as a cause of death if, as people have suggested, Dylan was killed during an argument and has injuries consistent with this, and no water in his lungs.

Surely even MR would understand basic forensics, and know that a cause of death would be easy to prove if the body had been preserved in icy water.

Either he is incredibly stupid, panicked after a tragic accident/unplanned fight or didn't do it. I can find things to support all 3 - I don't envy LE with this one.

If he is in a lake, or Dam area, MR could have stopped after getting food at McDonalds as soon as they crossed the Dam, in the uncut interview, MR stated the cell phone reception is received after crossing the Dam.

MR could have gotten out and told Dylan, Let me take a pic of you by this waterway, Pushed Dylan in or struck Dylan hard enough to knock him out or daze him, attach Dylan's backpack to his shoulders, and MR made sure the cell phone was inside the backpack.
There wouldn't be a crime scene noticeable, and MR had a camera laying on the kitchen table durning the reporters interview.

The above is just a theory, and I apologize for posting a posibile theory like the above, and I'm praying Dylan is safe !!

 

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[TxLady2]

I would really like to believe that MR could have someone hiding Dylan, and am serious about anyone who believes this scenario to ask who and how they think this could be done. I do not get the impression MR has a lot of money. He would have to be providing for Dylan's upkeep and presumably for someone to stay with him, as I would think with a kid his age, he could not be left alone for fear of escape, so this person would likely not be able to keep a job. This sounds like a pretty expensive operation to me.

And I still can't figure out the ultimate motive. To go to all the trouble and planning this would entail, it is impossible for me to believe that the "end game" was never discussed. MR may be a lot of things, but I do not think he is insane.

Not saying I believe this scenario either, but I will offer this possibility. What about a good trucker buddy Mark might know, that LE has no idea about? I mean there are probably guys out there who would be crazy enough to think they're helping a buddy out. Unlikely but just throwing it out there.

Or what about some relative nobody on the other side ever thought about? It would be hard for LE to trace his whole family history back to a 4th cousin twice removed or some such, wouldn't it? I'm sure they looked at close relatives, but maybe not ones who are not so close, KWIM?

Like you, I'm afraid that after this long, it's pretty far-fetched to think Dylan is voluntarily staying hidden. I just want no stones left unturned, this child needs to be brought home.

 

[ColdHands]

I don't have the answers but thought I would add another question on the fishing topic …

Does anyone recall early on in this case it being mentioned that Dylan took a course in fishing, maybe fly fishing, in school? I remember this because I thought that would be a great course to take in school and a plus to living in that area … school courses exploring the natural habitat in the area. This course, I think, was last school year. I don't recall seeing much more about it since the initial report so I wonder where that information came from.

I only found this so maybe it's an FB rumor only:
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