CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #46

[NC Analyzer]

LE doesn't "require" custody of a child to file a missing person report. They may request the legal parents be notified immediately, but anyone can file a missing person report. If someone is caring for a grandchild while the parents are on vacation and that child goes missing, no one is expected to sit around and wait for the parents to return before a report is filed. A missing child is a missing child. In this case, I believe there were "hints" about Dylan being a runaway, not a missing child. Elaine was certain that Dylan wouldn't run away so LE acted on her sense of urgency. If MR exhibited any urgency about the situation, the Marshal's office would have contacted the Sheriff's office and a report would have been made. He didn't.

 

[azgrandma]

Given the way Mark speaks, he may have thought he said, "Please file a missing persons report on my son." And what the Marshall actually heard was...something completely different.

ETA: I think he went to the closest LE and also may have been thinking if Dylan had gone anywhere it would have been to Bayfield.

Ok, I'll go with that, he said please, thank you, sir & maam. Once LE didn't start writing, asking him for description, taking information, etc. wouldn't it be reasonable, regardless of the verbage MR used, for MR to say "Please, I'm giving you this information about my son, I can't find him, I haven't seen him since 7:30 am, I'm scared and I'm worried for his safety. You've GOT to do something, you've GOT to HELP ME FIND MY SON. Thank you." and LE would have said, "OMG, you mean he's missing? Here, talk to this officer so he can take a missing persons report" and take a report?

IMO, LE hears people describe events, circumstances in varied ways and they are keen on picking out the point.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Ok, I'll go with that, he said please, thank you, sir & maam. Once LE didn't start writing, asking him for description, taking information, etc. wouldn't it be reasonable, regardless of the verbage MR used, for MR to say "Please, I'm giving you this information about my son, I can't find him, I haven't seen him since 7:30 am, I'm scared and I'm worried for his safety. You've GOT to do something, you've GOT to HELP ME FIND MY SON. Thank you." and LE would have said, "OMG, you mean he's missing? Here, talk to this officer so he can take a missing persons report" and take a report?

IMO, LE hears people describe events, circumstances in varied ways and they are keen on picking out the point.

EXACTLY!! That "sense of urgency"...not "oh by the way, I haven't seen my kid all day, if you spot him can you bang him on the head and have him "communicate" with someone". :banghead:

 

[SuperMom1995]

Yes, Mark's phone, but possibly a spare and not his primary phone.

yes, it could have been a throw away, maybe.

 

[NC Analyzer]

yes, it could have been a throw away, maybe.

Which could also lead to sooooo many nefarious scenarios....:furious:

 

[TxJan1971]

With Dylan, apparently. Mark has offered to help Elaine with many fundraising events, but has been denied at every turn. There's 3 sides to every story, remember this. Elaine isn't an angel when it comes to Mark.

Do you have a MSM link that MR has offered to help ER with "many" fundraising events but has been denied at every turn, or is that just a rumor?

Thank you -

I'm trying to keep an updated record of the facts as known/reported and this would be helpful to know.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Yes. It means that through their investigation, LE has determined xyz...

It's called validating or invalidating the information told to them.

And also if LE is reading here (which we have been told they do) they probably could not anguish through any more of our "back and forth" on those issues they have now clarified, JMO

 

[Emma Ems]

EXACTLY!! That "sense of urgency"...not "oh by the way, I haven't seen my kid all day, if you spot him can you bang him on the head and have him "communicate" with someone". :banghead:

I have to disagree here just for one point. Mix mentioned the Sam and Lindsey case and I was just reading up on that one. TP went to LE very panicked about what she feared happened to her children while in their father's custody and they didn't seem to be too concerned in the beginning.

So sometimes urgency doesn't seem to push them into filing a report either in some cases. I could see them telling him to check with his mother first to make sure she didn't have him, even though she lived so far, even though Mark may not have considered that a possibility at the time. Perhaps they were thinking, "Maybe he called mom to come get him and she did."

 

[azgrandma]

Honestly I don't see a shred of evidence PERIOD. There is nothing except circumstantial and plenty of it to go any direction. I just hope one of those tests produced an actual physical ' shred' of something. :moo:

Nobody has seen a shred of evidence, except LE. I've never seen or heard of a case where LE displayed evidence to the public before an arrest, before a trial or anytime.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Investigators are asking for information from anyone who may have been at their Vallecito homes or traveling in Vallecito on CR 500 or CR 501 between 7:00 PM Sunday, November 18th and 7:00 PM on Monday, November 19th

BBM

For some reason this statement struck me.

Why on County road 500 and 501 in the Vallecito area?

Did they not travel Florida Road home but went thru Bayfield?

Why an hour before Mark and Dylan supposed arrived at Mark's house?

Why approximately up to 2 hours after Mark was at the Marshal's office?

Did Mark leave the Marshal's Office and go directly back home, never stopping or talking to La Plata Co. SO?

maybe an accomplice laying in wait? The same someone who came in to support him after the disappearance could have been there earlier helping? IMO

 

[Emma Ems]

Do you have a MSM link that MR has offered to help ER with "many" fundraising events but has been denied at every turn, or is that just a rumor?

Thank you -

I'm trying to keep an updated record of the facts as known/reported and this would be helpful to know.

I know you are talking to someone else, but if she can't find one I may be able to dig one up in a bit, I have some things to take care of for a bit, but I do recall a statement somewhere by Mark regarding an ATV.

 

[scorekeeper]

Here is my problem with that: Dogs can't talk. :moo:

There are an awful lot of factors that go into working scent dogs. IMO, if no scent was picked up, it was due to dogs being brought in at the wrong time of day, and a whole slew of other reasons. Also, IIRC, there were no items at MR's home that had only Dylan's scent.

Not even a sock....

Dan Bender can't speak for the Marshall's Office.

He can only speak for the SO.

Maybe that would make a difference, would one not think?

I believe La Plata Co. SO is lead agency for the investigation concerning Dylan's disappearance. So, I think they would speak for all agencies involved. I'm sure they have been in contact with the Marshal's Office.

Here is how I think it went down.

MR goes to T house, no one there, then to Bayfield, Officer says we will keep an eye open go back home and check there, on way back home MR stops at T again, this time he is home and speaks with him.

I can easily see this not being taken seriously.

Is this fact? Link, please.

Or is this a speculation? TIA

 

[song22]

With Dylan, apparently. Mark has offered to help Elaine with many fundraising events, but has been denied at every turn. There's 3 sides to every story, remember this. Elaine isn't an angel when it comes to Mark.

Do you have a link for this? That MR has offered to help with fundraising?

IMO No one is an angel. Just human beings. Some women have the misfortune of being in a relationship with a controlling, angry man. You do the best you can to put boundaries in place, move on, heal and rebuild your life. That's what Elaine was doing. She's not perfect. She's second-guesed herself plenty. Luckily these days most therapists who deal with these types of relationships understand that the blame is not always equally shared. Sometmes the other person has issues with domestic violence or mental illness or bizarre fetishes or personality disorders, for example.

 

[NC Analyzer]

maybe an accomplice laying in wait? The same someone who came in to support him after the disappearance could have been there earlier helping? IMO

I'm confident LE/FBI would have checked her out. I don't believe there was an accomplice.

 

[azgrandma]

Many thanks to LE for releasing that presser. And I think you guys are analyzing it the same ways that I've been reading the information.

I'd like to know how much investigators know about that time frame from when MR went to run errands and when he got back. I don't get a chance to read every post so please fill me in if MR has mentioned what errands he ran that day? The post office was one, right? Or no?

Just catching up so ignore if already answered.
I don't remember PO being mentioned, payroll office and attorney was all, then a call to property management.

 

[SuperMom1995]

What other adults did he know well enough in that area to where he might feel safe getting in to a car with them? Who had been at MR's house in the past when Dylan was there?

The ex girlfriend?

 

[SuperMom1995]

Possibility for one of your questions off the top of my head, the hour before they got home? Maybe to see if someone strange was in the area prior lurking around? It does seem to be somewhat about following Mark's movements but the area before he returned with Dylan is a bit odd to me and it kind of makes me wonder if they were wondering about someone possibly watching Mark???? And that is what I think was nagging my brain about the part about Dylan and Mark's interactions from those two days that do they mean with each other or with other people altogether? As in did they interact with someone strange that maybe Mark didn't remember.

As I see it they are covering both scenerios: 1) if Mark harmed him and 2) If someone else did abduct and harm him

 

[TxJan1971]

Just catching up so ignore if already answered.
I don't remember PO being mentioned, payroll office and attorney was all, then a call to property management.

AZGrandma,
Poster "Lash" previously summed up MR's activities Monday a.m. very nicely. See link.

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[mixologist74]

So then do your own fundraisers , no ? . So the fact he has not leads me to believe IMO he is not trying !

But just like taking another polygraph it seems to much like hard work :cow:

Nobody knows what he "isn't doing" for sure, <modsnip>. It has been said by his family members that he is introverted.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Nobody has seen a shred of evidence, except LE. I've never seen or heard of a case where LE displayed evidence to the public before an arrest, before a trial or anytime.

You must have not followed the Caylee Anthony or the Trayvon Martin case.
Florida's sunshine laws call for almost all discovery to be released as it's given to the defense before trial.

I don't believe that Colorado has the kind of law that allows for the release of evidence before trial, so I don't believe that we will see anything like that in this case even if there is an arrest. MOO.