CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #52

[MissJ]

Here's all the MSM articles about MR & his interaction with DR on Monday morning. I'm sure I may be missing a few more!

Since I'm on an ipad - links available by request (which is why I #'d the articles)

1. Mark said he tried to wake his son the next morning around 7:30 before leaving to run errands, but Dylan was fast asleep

2. DENISE HESS: And that he had gotten up in the morning, stirred around the house, made some noise trying to get Dylan up, and Dylan didn’t want to get up and go into town at that time.

3. Mark Redwine said he was going to give Dylan a ride to his friends’ house and tried to wake him up when he left Monday morning but said Dylan was “out like a light.”

4. The next morning, Dad says at about 7:30 AM, Dylan was still asleep there on the couch. He'd had a bed made up for him there. He said Dylan apparently wanted to sleep in, so dad left, went to go run some errands.

5. “He was sleeping on the couch, and I told him I had to go about my errands,” Mark Redwine said in a Sunday telephone interview. “He said, “OK, I understand.” The focus for him was to go to his friend’s, but I live far back in the canyon.

6. "Before I left I nudged him on the shoulder and he acknowledged that he understood that I needed to leave, and if he needed anything, he would just call me."

7. "The next morning, Dylan was sleeping on the couch where Mark Redwine now sits and where Dylan's blankets still lie jumbled. Mark said he waited until 7:30 a.m. but still couldn't rouse his son, so he told him he would return about 11.

8. MR: You know, I spent 45 minutes… an hour… trying to get Dylan to wake up and, you know, and helping him… saying, you know, “Dylan, I’m going down,” ‘cos he had talked to me about going to see his friend, Ryan …that morning, but he wasn’t having no part of it… which is not uncommon for him. I mean, you can’t get him to bed and you can’t get him up. Pretty much how it is when he’s not at school to deal with, which is most of the time when he’s up here, although he had a school bus stop right down the street, so he could ride the bus from the school up here if I was home, or he could ride it to his mom’s house, which was a thing of beauty because her and I didn’t have to deal with transporting him
AND
MR: Yeah, “Dylan I’m leaving to go down to town and run my errands, if you need anything call me … call me when you get up… if there’s anything you need.” Never heard from him. I’ve sent him text messages, you know… asking him, “hey, Dude, are you up yet?” … you know, “Call me”… “Is there anything you need?”… and then… you know… by the time I got up here it was close to 11:30, probably…

Jumping off your post....I never understood, how, if MR had tried unsuccessfully to reach DR all morning....when MR got home he was not alarmed that his son and all his belongings were gone and :twocents: MR could just go upstairs and take a nap.

 

[asyousay]

Jumping off your post....I never understood, how, if MR had tried unsuccessfully to reach DR all morning....when MR got home he was not alarmed that his son and all his belongings were gone and :twocents: MR could just go upstairs and take a nap.

I have also never understood this . It is another red flag for me in MR version of events . MR has stated he likes to know where he is so he cn check in on him , so what changed that day ?!

 

[Bayou Mistress]

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/profiling/victimology/1.html

Victimology is important in the overall investigative process because it not only tells us who the victims were, their health and personal history, social habits and personality, but also provides ideas as to why they were chosen as victims.

Closely related to victimology are the concepts of method of approach, method of attack and risk assessment. If we know details of the victims' personalities (i.e. they may be naturally cautious), then we may be able to determine, in conjunction with an analysis of the crime scene, how they were initially approached by the offender. The same will apply for the way they were attacked and overpowered. If this information is not distinguishable through the crime scene, then an analysis of the victims' overall risk, that is, the chances of them becoming a victim, may be of some help. If we examine this along with the risks the offender was willing to take to acquire a certain victim, then we will have an overall picture of who the victim was and what drove the offender to choose this particular person as a victim.

 

[The Cheese]

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[asyousay]

The hat in the missing poster , is that the hat he wore at Walmart as I thought that hat was black ??

 

[The Cheese]

Dylan Redwine in August 2012, 3 months before he disappeared

Link for picture (Screen capture from video) http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/42/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

 

[The Cheese]

Dylan Redwine on Sunday evening, November 18, 2012 at Durango airport on right, Durango Walmart on left. Pictures from surveillance videos, released by La Plata County Sheriff's office. Dylan was reported missing the next day, November 19, 2012.

link for picture http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/05/19/still-no-sign-of-dylan-redwine-after-6-months/

 

[The Cheese]

Dylan Redwine in August 2012, 3 months before he disappeared

Link for picture (Screen capture from video) http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/42/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

 

[The Cheese]

Dylan Redwine in August 2012, 3 months before he disappeared

Link for picture (Screen capture from video) http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/42/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

 

[asyousay]

Do we know when the photo of Dylan on the missing poster was taken ?

 

[The Cheese]

Do we know when the photo of Dylan on the missing poster was taken ?

I haven't been able to find a date or timeframe for it.

 

[azgrandma]

IIRC, and I don't have the source material at my fingertips so I can't provide a link, the following was said to have happened.

MR said that LE suggested mediation for MR and ER because of their communication issues.

ER said that she would not attend mediation without LE there.

From data I have heard that people received when getting in touch with LE through the Tip Line, it does not appear that LE is favoring one party over the other or telling one party things that they are not telling the other party. JMO

BBM - Does that mean that LE is telling tipsters the direction of the investigation or who they are investigating? I thought that they simply took the tip, basis contact info of the tipster and then investigate the tip. I had no idea that calling the tip line would get additional investigative information. I understand that you put JMO, just seems interesting to me. MOO

 

[Bayou Mistress]

BBM - Does that mean that LE is telling tipsters the direction of the investigation or who they are investigating? I thought that they simply took the tip, basis contact info of the tipster and then investigate the tip. I had no idea that calling the tip line would get additional investigative information. I understand that you put JMO, just seems interesting to me. MOO

I took Money Girl's post to mean that it appears to her that the tip line callers are treated equally and that no clear interest or investigative focus is divulged at all. I think that is a good thing, as a bias evident to a tipster would not encourage any relevant information from being submitted. I think that Law Enforcement is looking at everything and everyone, still.

 

[Eileen730]

I do not think LE is looking at EVERYONE!
jmo

 

[azgrandma]

I can not accept that. Within the four months prior to his disappearance, Dylan was moved from the community and home he had been a part for at least the previous six years. He suddenly had an unrelated man sharing his home. He left behind childhood friendships and his father. I am not saying he was poorly adjusted, just that he had some adjusting to do. To pretend that all that was easy and he sailed through it without some conflicted feelings is to deny that he was a normal 13 year old boy.

The link I posted above shows that a child can often express angry and resentment to the parent whose love he is sure of. A happy-go-lucky peace-keeping child might displace his upset and conflicted feelings to a person where it is safe to do so. We really don't know anything at all about Dylan's relationship and adjustment to living with an unrelated love interest of his mother's.

I hope this works, it's the quotes that you referred to in your previous post.
Quote:
An essential aspect of therapy with stepfamilies is sorting out and working through conflicts by proxy, whereby family members take on others' emotional work. Typically, children are enlisted to carry their parents' pain, resentment, and guilt, and women to act upon men's unvoiced issues. Because children's misbehavior or pain are often the symptoms that bring families to therapy, clinicians are more attuned to look to the ways they may be caught up in adult conflicts, recognizing that is essential to relieve children of these emotional burdens by inviting adults to take care of the unfinished business in a past marriage or problems with a current partner.
Quote:
One thirteen-year-old boy clearly stated that he enjoyed getting his stepmother worked up; it was obviously safer to provoke her than the father who was stricter, more loved, and more feared. Even as adults, stepchildren may focus on the stepparent as the cause of either childhood or continued unhappiness, diverting their gaze from their parent's complicity in this process

I appreciate the links that you provided and I hope that it appears correctly once this post.
Is there anything that indicates that Dylan was NOT happy with his move, with his relationship with MH and the relationship between EH and MH? I haven't seen anything that indicates it one way or another, MOO. If I recall correctly, CR had mentioned in an interview (it's posted here in quotes from another member and I can't find it right now) that DR knew if he needed to, he could contact CR, EH or MH and they would be there. IMOO that doesn't sound to me like a child that is having troubles with the move or MH. Many people have blended families and they get along wonderfully, IMOO there are times when a blended family is even better for the children. MOO, is that Dylan had a loving relationship with MH and a healthy one. I would imagine that the relationship between EH and MH occurred over a period of time and Dylan had been exposed to MH.

MOO is Dylan had adjusted well and would not have willingly left his life in CS behind. I don't believe he had a choice in leaving MR's house or how he left.

 

[Eileen730]

I believe MR was the only unhappy one In this equation.

JMO

Also in all the months I have been reading here on this thread and others I have never ever read any posts saying what a nice guy MR is. We seem to have heard about all the other family members and why is it MH is most talked about and have yet to hear anything bad about the guy.

The only wrong thing in the picture in my opinion is Mark Redwine!

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I hope this works, it's the quotes that you referred to in your previous post.
Quote:
An essential aspect of therapy with stepfamilies is sorting out and working through conflicts by proxy, whereby family members take on others' emotional work. Typically, children are enlisted to carry their parents' pain, resentment, and guilt, and women to act upon men's unvoiced issues. Because children's misbehavior or pain are often the symptoms that bring families to therapy, clinicians are more attuned to look to the ways they may be caught up in adult conflicts, recognizing that is essential to relieve children of these emotional burdens by inviting adults to take care of the unfinished business in a past marriage or problems with a current partner.
Quote:
One thirteen-year-old boy clearly stated that he enjoyed getting his stepmother worked up; it was obviously safer to provoke her than the father who was stricter, more loved, and more feared. Even as adults, stepchildren may focus on the stepparent as the cause of either childhood or continued unhappiness, diverting their gaze from their parent's complicity in this process

I appreciate the links that you provided and I hope that it appears correctly once this post.
Is there anything that indicates that Dylan was NOT happy with his move, with his relationship with MH and the relationship between EH and MH? I haven't seen anything that indicates it one way or another, MOO. If I recall correctly, CR had mentioned in an interview (it's posted here in quotes from another member and I can't find it right now) that DR knew if he needed to, he could contact CR, EH or MH and they would be there. IMOO that doesn't sound to me like a child that is having troubles with the move or MH. Many people have blended families and they get along wonderfully, IMOO there are times when a blended family is even better for the children. MOO, is that Dylan had a loving relationship with MH and a healthy one. I would imagine that the relationship between EH and MH occurred over a period of time and Dylan had been exposed to MH.

MOO is Dylan had adjusted well and would not have willingly left his life in CS behind. I don't believe he had a choice in leaving MR's house or how he left.

Blended families can become harmonious, but rarely start out that way. The emotional health of the players and their willingness to ferret out sources of conflict, take ownership of their own feelings, and respect the feelings of other parties is important. I stand by my perspective that Dylan was bound to have some conflicting emotions as this major change was exacted in his life, living arrangements, school situation and geographical separation from his father. Was Dylan enrolled in some sort of counselling? The situation seems to warrant it.

 

[nikb]

I believe MR was the only unhappy one In this equation.

JMO

Also in all the months I have been reading here on this thread and others I have never ever read any posts saying what a nice guy MR is. We seem to have heard about all the other family members and why is it MH is most talked about and have yet to hear anything bad about the guy.

The only wrong thing in the picture in my opinion is Mark Redwine!

I'm still on the fence big time but wondering...

Why does MR seem to be unhappy to you? Or the only one unhappy?

 

[asyousay]

I believe MR was the only unhappy one In this equation.

JMO

Also in all the months I have been reading here on this thread and others I have never ever read any posts saying what a nice guy MR is. We seem to have heard about all the other family members and why is it MH is most talked about and have yet to hear anything bad about the guy.

The only wrong thing in the picture in my opinion is Mark Redwine!

Even his own family have only spoken out about once or twice. Where is his support from his family and community ?


We known from Elane's side she is getting masses of support and help which is normal in such situations as people rally around you .


:cow:

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Blended families can become harmonious, but rarely start out that way. The emotional health of the players and their willingness to ferret out sources of conflict, take ownership of their own feelings, and respect the feelings of other parties is important. I stand by my perspective that Dylan was bound to have some conflicting emotions as this major change was exacted in his life, living arrangements, school situation and geographical separation from his father. Was Dylan enrolled in some sort of counselling? The situation seems to warrant it.

how does the situation warrant counselling? Many children have parents that seperate, divorce, repartner and relocate, are there studies that suggest that counselling is necessary for children in blended families? I know many people from blended families, myself included and and none have had counselling for it. Children are generally very adaptable and look on a move and new school as an adventure. Some kids are even eager for changes like those.

Is there any information that Dylan was not dealing with the changes in his life? was he acting out? getting into trouble at school? was he making excuses to not go to school?