Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #55 *ARREST*

[MassGuy]

I hate to be picky over choice of words, but PF is the one facing forty years without parole. while KK is getting "that sweet beauty of a deal" and will probably have to go through the bother of phoning in for a while.. It seems like the relationship, whatever it was, worked to her advantage...........at least in sentencing faced.
JMO

That relationship means that she will now be a convicted felon.

Had she not been involved with PF, she would not have been involved in a crime.

I definitely don’t think this worked to her advantage.

 

[Dave F.]

I’m not seeing the portable device mentioned here. Can you please double check.

ETA: This is what Slater said on the stand:

Slater said a CBI analyst conducted a DNA test of the blood found in the bathroom and compared it to Kelsey Berreth’s. The profiles were a match, according to Slater.

Certainly! Sam Kraemer courtroom tweets, February 19, 2019 11:25 am and 11:27 am. Portable DNA devices read in numbers, while full lab testing is a lengthy, mostly verbal report. At 11:27 am: "They said the blood returned with a high number....." pretty wells says it all.
IMO

 

[MyBelle]

Well, she would have to be confident enough to think that LE couldn't identify whose blood it was, then. I'm not sure she would take such a risk.
I can't imagine agreeing to a plea deal knowing that her entire story could be discounted and she could end up in prison for the rest of her life.

IMO

All she did was point out the blood. She didn't take any risk because she already had her sweet deal nailed down. It won't bother me if she ends up in prison for the rest of her life.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

All she did was point out the blood. She didn't take any risk because she already had her sweet deal nailed down. It won't bother me if she ends up in prison for the rest of her life.

JMO

It wouldn’t bother a single person if that were to happen.

It’s merely a fantasy though.

 

[susiQ]

I honestly think KK thought they (PF and her) would get away with this crime and live happily ever after. She had the dirt on him and he would be forever in her debt, but she was also smart enough to keep an ace up her sleeve JIC.

MOO

True, but I have no doubt PF had something up his sleeve too. He would have played along with the "happy ever after" until he'd had enough, and she would likely have ended up dead before she could open her mouth. After all, didn't he tell KK or his previous interest he knew where to hide bodies or something close to that? Had they pulled this off, her days were numbered. JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

I hate to be picky over choice of words, but PF is the one facing forty years without parole. while KK is getting "that sweet beauty of a deal" and will probably have to go through the bother of phoning in for a while.. It seems like the relationship, whatever it was, worked to her advantage...........at least in sentencing faced.
JMO

Yes, ironically that's what happened in the end. I'm sure he didn't anticipate that when he made the decision to get rid of the mother of his child.

He probably thought he orchestrated the perfect crime, making sure KK did a lot of the dirty work, but in the end, apparently, he just couldn't wait any longer.

If things had gone his way maybe he would be the one making the plea deal.

IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

All she did was point out the blood. She didn't take any risk because she already had her sweet deal nailed down. It won't bother me if she ends up in prison for the rest of her life.

JMO

I don't think it would bother anybody.
But that still doesn't mean that she would risk going to prison.

 

[MsBetsy]

That relationship means that she will now be a convicted felon.

Had she not been involved with PF, she would not have been involved in a crime.

I definitely don’t think this worked to her advantage.

Good point. If she had never reconnected with him and he had not convinced her what a horrible mother Kelsey was, she would never have been involved in the first place.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

Totally agree, they bought PF’s lies at the time, and that led to them missing evidence.

He painted this picture of an erratic, depressed alcoholic, who may have taken off and hurt herself.

Nice try.

And the scary thing is, it worked for awhile. They believed his story that she was depressed and drunk and didn't want to be a mom anymore. The probably thought she was trash, just like PF said she was. Just the way he told everyone she was.

So in my opinion, KK saved this case. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

And the scary thing is, it worked for awhile. They believed his story that she was depressed and drunk and didn't want to be a mom anymore. The probably thought she was trash, just like PF said she was. Just the way he told everyone she was.

So in my opinion, KK saved this case. JMO

It did, but those lies will come back to bite him in the .

There is no innocent explanation for one lie, let alone the staggering amount he told.

 

[10ofRods]

I don’t buy it, just like I don’t buy her claiming that she turned her and Kelsey’s phone on at the same time, so law enforcement would be able to track them.

She basically claimed that she wanted law enforcement to figure this out, but then proceeded to lie to the FBI about the whole thing.

Those words don’t jibe with her behavior.

I think she was sloppy in regards to the blood, and knew she had left some behind. She tried to spin that into being an intentional act for noble purposes.

I do think she knew it was there though, as she apparently pointed it out to law enforcement.

Thank you for that answer - I was thinking along those lines. If KK really thought all that through at the time (and throughout all these events), she's a really one-of-a-kind perp, smarter than the average perp, for sure. I have a hard time buying that. It's very hard for me to believe a nurse would show up to clean a fresh murder scene but also deliberately leave blood behind to frame her paramour. But spinning it that way helps her plea bargain.

Sounds to me like there was a lot of blood evidence left behind and she is not only completely without a moral compass, but she's also sly and stupid. Not as stupid as he is, but really ignorant/not a complex thinker. Not suited to a life of crime, at all.

I just don't get how a person can do what she did, as if she was his minion. While her legal stance is interesting, her overall mentality/psychology is absolutely fascinating to me.

 

[?mysterian?]

And the scary thing is, it worked for awhile. They believed his story that she was depressed and drunk and didn't want to be a mom anymore. The probably thought she was trash, just like PF said she was. Just the way he told everyone she was.

So in my opinion, KK saved this case. JMO

But KK lied to investigators initially.

If anyone saved this case, KB's mom should get the credit. She and KB's brother found the blood in the bathroom at KB's town home and got LE back out there. IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

But KK lied to investigators initially.

If anyone saved this case, KB's mom should get the credit. She and KB's brother found the blood in the bathroom at KB's town home and got LE back out there. IMO.

What Kelsey’s mom did, can’t be overstated.

She started a chain of events that led to the discovery of KK.

It was KK that provided evidence as to the underlying crime being a murder.

There’s no telling how this would have played out had Kelsey’s mom not found that blood.

 

[katydid23]

There has been no confirmation it was KB's blood.

There certainly has been confirmation. They would not have arrested PF for murder if there was no confirmation it was KB's blood. JMO

 

[katydid23]

But KK lied to investigators initially.

If anyone saved this case, KB's mom should get the credit. She and KB's brother found the blood in the bathroom at KB's town home and got LE back out there. IMO.

Right. But they didn't arrest anyone after finding the blood.
But the day after they re-interviewed KK, they arrested PF.

 

[MyBelle]

There certainly has been confirmation. They would not have arrested PF for murder if there was no confirmation it was KB's blood. JMO

KB's mother found blood in the bathroom confirmed to be KB's blood.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Right. But they didn't arrest anyone after finding the blood.
But the day after they re-interviewed KK, they arrested PF.

They had also already executed search warrants on PF's property and seized items. The amount of KB's blood found by KB's mother wasn't sufficient to support an arrest warrant for murder.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

But KK lied to investigators initially.

If anyone saved this case, KB's mom should get the credit. She and KB's brother found the blood in the bathroom at KB's town home and got LE back out there. IMO.

Absolutely! It wasn't just that her mom found the blood but also that an attempt had been made to clean up. Mom noticed a bath rug was also missing.

JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

They had also already executed search warrants on PF's property and seized items. The amount of KB's blood found by KB's mother wasn't sufficient to support an arrest warrant for murder.

JMO

They found a sufficient amount of blood in the townhome on the evening of the 20th. PF was arrested the next morning. MOO

 

[katydid23]

They had also already executed search warrants on PF's property and seized items. The amount of KB's blood found by KB's mother wasn't sufficient to support an arrest warrant for murder.

JMO

They had all those search warrants, but no arrests until someone said they had witnessed the body being disposed of, and had been told about the murder by the killer.