Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #55 *ARREST*

[MyBelle]

Here you go. No hats or crow for you.

FEB 19, 2019
Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Prosecutors are saying K was in the back room while the murder happened. They say Kelsey was killed in the living room. Blame the courtroom acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #ParrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

Again, that is from the affidavit and not the preliminary hearing. At the preliminary hearing, the testimony from Agent Slater specifically stated KK told him PF told her that the murder was in the back room. No mention of the baby being in the playpen.

See item #66. It was not introduced at the preliminary hearing.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...lication and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf
Affidavit details events leading up to Berreth’s death

JMO

 

[GordianKnot]

*DBM:
Duplicate post.

 

[GordianKnot]

Can you please answer my question as to where the baby went in that 7 minute time period, and show the evidence you believe proves that K was at Sheila’s house at this time?

The baby being present is mentioned in the arrest affidavit.

In light of first degree murder charges, piling on charges like “child endangerment,” is completely frivolous.

The charges themselves are not, as you seem to be implying I believe. Just here.

Right.

That whole idea of PF taking the baby to Ma F's and then coming back to murder KB makes no logical sense.

I don't get it.
Is this some kind of attempt to humanize PF by insinuating he didn't want Baby K on the premises when he bludgeoned her mother to death with a baseball bat?

I sure hope to heck not, because if so: Deliver me.

The timing doesn't work, as you've pointed out.

The logic isn't there, either.

KB thought the 3 of them were spending Thanksgiving Day together, as evidenced by what she told her mom and by her final text to PF.

Even if PF had somehow managed to magically teleport himself from Walmart to the franch and then back over to KBs in that 7 minute time period, as soon as he'd walked back into her house without Baby K, KB would have immediately freaked out and demanded to know what happened to the baby.

It's also hugely problematic to think that PF dropped Baby K off with Ma F. prior to the murder b/c that means that PF would have had to either invent a story for both SF1 and SF2 about why he was dropping the baby off there for several hours on Thanksgiving Day and then returning himself later on, OR both SF1 AND SF2 would have had to be party to PF's plot.

I'm not seeing it at all.

JMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

Again, that is from the affidavit and not the preliminary hearing. At the preliminary hearing, the testimony from Agent Slater specifically stated KK told him PF told her that the murder was in the back room. No mention of the baby being in the playpen.

See item #66. It was not introduced at the preliminary hearing.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/Application and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf
Affidavit details events leading up to Berreth’s death

JMO

What? Sam was at the preliminary hearing on Feb 19. That's where the tweet came from. Why would he be tweeting from the affidavit at the preliminary hearing?

FEBRUARY 19, 2019
Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing
Patrick Frazee, the man suspected of killing his fiancée Kelsey Berreth, is appearing in court for a preliminary hearing Tuesday morning.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM You're in error.

It was misreported and then corrected; one of several. Most of the reporters tweeted that they were having trouble hearing. Here is the correction:

FEB 19, 2019
Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Prosecutors are saying K was in the back room while the murder happened. They say Kelsey was killed in the living room. Blame the courtroom acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #ParrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

No, it wasn't misreported. I just posted a link to the arrest affidavit which was signed by Chris Adams. Both were released around the same time. Sam Kraemer didn't misreport anything. Adams made the statement in item #66 in the arrest affidavit and application but he testified at the preliminary hearing and made no mention whatsoever that the crime was in the living room.

Here it is again:
Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...lication and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf

 

[MassGuy]

Again, that is from the affidavit and not the preliminary hearing. At the preliminary hearing, the testimony from Agent Slater specifically stated KK told him PF told her that the murder was in the back room. No mention of the baby being in the playpen.

See item #66. It was not introduced at the preliminary hearing.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/Application and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf
Affidavit details events leading up to Berreth’s death

JMO

Bear with me as I explain this.

Sam initially Tweeted incorrect information. This information was included in the KOAA live update as well.

When he realized he Tweeted incorrect information, he Tweeted a correction.

In this correction, he explained the courtroom acoustics caused the error.

 

[MyBelle]

9 a.m.

The prosecution has filed three additional charges against Patrick Frazee, including tampering with a deceased human body and crime of violence, which is a sentence enhancer.

The documents regarding those new charges have not yet been made public by Colorado Courts.

Tuesday’s court appearance is a preliminary hearing, which means the prosecution will attempt to show the judge that there is enough evidence for the case to go to trial.

The prosecution tried to call Patrick Frazee's mother Sheila Frazee as its first witness, however, her attorney argued that she should not be compelled to testify, citing her Fifth Amendment rights.

The judge ruled in favor of Sheila Frazee and she will not testify at this point, though he has asked that she leave the courtroom.

BBM. Yes, I believe that is what I posted.

 

[PommyMommy]

No, it wasn't misreported. I just posted a link to the arrest affidavit which was signed by Chris Adams. Both were released around the same time. Sam Kraemer didn't misreport anything. Adams made the statement in item #66 in the arrest affidavit and application but he testified at the preliminary hearing and made no mention whatsoever that the crime was in the living room.

Here it is again:
Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/Application and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf

Yes, Sam misreported a couple of times. Posters here just about ran him into the ground over it.

Below is another tweet that mentions the bad acoustics. Several of the reporters were tweeting that they couldn't hear. I was here all day that day and remember it clearly. MOO

Replying to @SamKraemerTV
It sounded like Nash Ranch or Dash Ranch. Again, bad acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney
Sam Kraemer@SamKraemerTV

 

[PommyMommy]

Bear with me as I explain this.

Sam initially Tweeted incorrect information. This information was included in the KOAA live update as well.

When he realized he Tweeted incorrect information, he Tweeted a correction.

In this correction, he explained the courtroom acoustics caused the error.

And the live blog that you keep quoting, @MyBelle, was never corrected. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

And the live blog that you keep quoting, @MyBelle, was never corrected. MOO

Exactly. The Tweets were the basis for the live blog, and a couple were wrong.

 

[PommyMommy]

Exactly. The Tweets were the basis for the live blog, and a couple were wrong.

Yep, and every time there's a court appearance we hear complaints here about "trial by tweet" because the reporters couldn't hear. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Yep, and every time there's a court appearance we hear complaints here about "trial by tweet" because the reporters couldn't hear. MOO

Trial is going to be a nightmare.

Atleast everyone now knows that the arrest affidavit did jibe with Slater’s courtroom testimony.

The murder is believed to have occurred in the living room, and not in the back office.

Nothing has changed.

 

[steeltowngirl]

BBM. Yes, I believe that is what I posted.

My apologies, apparently we were agreeing. I thought you were saying Mrs Frazee had not cited 5th Amendment.

 

[susiQ]

Right.

That whole idea of PF taking the baby to Ma F's and then coming back to murder KB makes no logical sense.

I don't get it.
Is this some kind of attempt to humanize PF by insinuating he didn't want Baby K on the premises when he bludgeoned her mother to death with a baseball bat?

I sure hope to heck not, because if so: Deliver me.

The timing doesn't work, as you've pointed out.

The logic isn't there, either.

KB thought the 3 of them were spending Thanksgiving Day together, as evidenced by what she told her mom and by her final text to PF.

Even if PF had somehow managed to magically teleport himself from Walmart to the franch and then back over to KBs in that 7 minute time period, as soon as he'd walked back into her house without Baby K, KB would have immediately freaked out and demanded to know what happened to the baby.

It's also hugely problematic to think that PF dropped Baby K off with Ma F. prior to the murder b/c that means that PF would have had to either invent a story for both SF1 and SF2 about why he was dropping the baby off there for several hours on Thanksgiving Day and then returning himself later on, OR both SF1 AND SF2 would have had to be party to PF's plot.

I'm not seeing it at all.

JMO.

Funny you should mention that. WAS SF1 party to the plot? Did she pick up baby K at Walmart? Did PF lie to KK about the baby being at the condo? Is that why she needs to plead the 5th? If this sounds really crazy, forgive me I’m just trying to understand how she could incriminate herself by taking the stand and answering some simple questions. She can’t plead the 5th to help PF, right?

If this makes no sense, just ignore me. I think my brain wants to go to bed now!

 

[PommyMommy]

My apologies, apparently we were agreeing. I thought you were saying Mrs Frazee had not cited 5th Amendment.

That is what she said. BBM

SF didn't take the fifth at the Preliminary Hearing. Her attorney advised she would do so if required to testify and the Judge decided her testimony wasn't needed at the prelim. As for other hearings, I'm not aware so please provide a link. Thanks.

JMO

1:33 p.m.


Judge Sells says he thinks the evidence the state seeks from Sheila can be presented from other witnesses. She is still sequestered, so she is not allowed in the courtroom.


1:32 p.m.


The state wants to ask Sheila about the phone call on Nov. 22 from Patrick, witnessing the burn, and more. Judge reviewed the case law citations. He says this is not the time & place for Sheila’s testimony.

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

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[MyBelle]

Sam Kraemer's blog makes specific notes when he is unable to hear precisely and he offers corrections. NOWHERE on this blog on Feb. 19 does reporter Kraemer claim he could not hear what Agent
Slater testified KK told him she was told by PF that the murder took place in the backroom/bedroom nor did Kraemer he offer a clarification because he couldn't hear. I welcome anyone to provide a link that Kraemer did so. I will contact him and request an explanation and will post his response right here.

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

 

[MyBelle]

And the live blog that you keep quoting, @MyBelle, was never corrected. MOO

That's right, it was never corrected. Which I believe is because the reporter relied on the testimony at the preliminary hearing rather than the arrest affidavit, which isn't testimony.

 

[k-mac]

I absolutely agree. She told Slater she deliberately left on her cell phone during the trip back to Idaho yet when LE first spoke with her, she refused to turn it over.

she must have forgot to turn it off in her sleep deprived mania.
wonder what the last conversation was between PF and kk as she left for Idaho.....
my guess would be she had some delusional idea that her true love had proved himself and they would some how live happily ever after.

also wonder if there is any evidence of her making plans to move to Colorado?
we know she was livin it up in vegas having a good time when she came on police radar.

be pretty damning if there is anything linking her to a move south.
blow up the I was so afraid scenario if she was bustin her butt to get to the franch......

**wild speculations** moo

 

[MyBelle]

My apologies, apparently we were agreeing. I thought you were saying Mrs Frazee had not cited 5th Amendment.

Her attorney cited it and stated to the court why and the judge agreed with him and concluded it wasn't needed at that point. I haven't heard Mrs. Frazee cited the 5th at any other hearing as some posters here have claimed without supplying links. At this point, I view her as a victim of her son's choices.

JMO

 

[k-mac]

You are thinking like you, not like PF. He’s demonstrated time and time again that he’s nothing short of a complete dumbass.

There is no evidence that he dropped the baby off anywhere, and the timeline is tight.

The timing of the murder is crystal clear, if one doesn’t chose to ignore that massive lie which was proven by surveillance video and the cell phone data of two phones.

imo he had decided to kill her the night before in the wilderness and chickened out.

would have been kinder and smarter if he had of shot her out there.
the brutal way he killed her so horrific.
but I guess he couldn't chance somebody hearing a gunshot in the closely confined condo.


moo