Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #55 *ARREST*

[MyBelle]

Trial is going to be a nightmare.

Atleast everyone now knows that the arrest affidavit did jibe with Slater’s courtroom testimony.

The murder is believed to have occurred in the living room, and not in the back office.

Nothing has changed.

Slater's testimony at the prelim was that KK told him that Frazee said the murder occurred in the back room/bedroom. I've repeatedly posted the links. You haven't posted any links to support your opinion...which isn't fact without links.

JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

Sam Kraemer's blog makes specific notes when he is unable to hear precisely and he offers corrections. NOWHERE on this blog on Feb. 19 does reporter Kraemer claim he could not hear what Agent
Slater testified KK told him she was told by PF that the murder took place in the backroom/bedroom nor did Kraemer he offer a clarification because he couldn't hear. I welcome anyone to provide a link that Kraemer did so. I will contact him and request an explanation and will post his response right here.

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

Let's try this.

Here is Sam's original tweet about where the murder took place. This is directly from Twitter, okay? Not the blog.

Sam's original tweet where he misreported where Kelsey was murdered:

ORIGINAL TWEET
Sam Kraemer on Twitter
The murder, according to Kenney (through Frazee), happened in a back office/second bedroom, Slater said. When Kenney went back to Frazee’s home, Slater says Frazee gave Kenney the cell phone. Kenney took Berreth’s purse & took it. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee
2:12 PM · Feb 19, 2019

THEN...Sam, as well as other reporters, clarified and corrected earlier tweets that were incorrect due to the acoustics in the courtroom.

Again, here is the correction to the tweet above.

CORRECTION TO ABOVE TWEET
Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Prosecutors are saying K was in the back room while the murder happened. They say Kelsey was killed in the living room. Blame the courtroom acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #ParrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

Here is an example of another tweet where Sam mentions the bad acoustics:

Replying to @SamKraemerTV
It sounded like Nash Ranch or Dash Ranch. Again, bad acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney
Sam Kraemer@SamKraemerTV

​

 

[steeltowngirl]

Again, that is from the affidavit and not the preliminary hearing. At the preliminary hearing, the testimony from Agent Slater specifically stated KK told him PF told her that the murder was in the back room. No mention of the baby being in the playpen.

See item #66. It was not introduced at the preliminary hearing.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/Application and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf
Affidavit details events leading up to Berreth’s death

JMO

This is a video of the press conference after the prelim hearing.
Around 8:00 there is discussion of the baby in the back room.

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[MassGuy]

Slater's testimony at the prelim was that KK told him that Frazee said the murder occurred in the back room/bedroom. I've repeatedly posted the links. You haven't posted any links to support your opinion...which isn't fact without links.

JMO

No it was not. Pommy has posted links that prove this.

Hanging your hat on incorrect Tweets just to make a point, isn’t going to work.

It will end up confusing people.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Her attorney cited it and stated to the court why and the judge agreed with him and concluded it wasn't needed at that point. I haven't heard Mrs. Frazee cited the 5th at any other hearing as some posters here have claimed without supplying links. At this point, I view her as a victim of her son's choices.

JMO

I can understand that viewpoint of Mrs Frazee as a victim of her son’s choices.

But here’s the thing. She’s alive. The true victim is Kelsey Berreth. She’s gone.

Mrs Frazee has the opportunity to speak and tell the truth and provide testimony of how she too was a victim. Do the right thing. Help bring justice. Staying silent will keep her locked forever as another victim of Patrick’s.

 

[MyBelle]

she must have forgot to turn it off in her sleep deprived mania.
wonder what the last conversation was between PF and kk as she left for Idaho.....
my guess would be she had some delusional idea that her true love had proved himself and they would some how live happily ever after.

also wonder if there is any evidence of her making plans to move to Colorado?
we know she was livin it up in vegas having a good time when she came on police radar.

be pretty damning if there is anything linking her to a move south.
blow up the I was so afraid scenario if she was bustin her butt to get to the franch......

**wild speculations** moo

I agree, I think KK forgot to turn off her cell phone and having her's and KB's ping at the same time on the Idaho tower was her undoing. KK was incredibly delusional. She told one of her Idaho pals she was finished with PF yet she told Agent Slater he was the love of her live and she still loved him. I doubt PF felt the same way because he met KB on an online dating site.

JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

Sam Kraemer's blog makes specific notes when he is unable to hear precisely and he offers corrections. NOWHERE on this blog on Feb. 19 does reporter Kraemer claim he could not hear what Agent
Slater testified KK told him she was told by PF that the murder took place in the backroom/bedroom nor did Kraemer he offer a clarification because he couldn't hear. I welcome anyone to provide a link that Kraemer did so. I will contact him and request an explanation and will post his response right here.

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

I have posted the correction that Sam tweeted.

I've explained to you that the blog was not corrected.

We went over and over this in February and I have to assume that you missed it.

Several reporters at the prelim had the same problem; they couldn't hear.

The accoustics in the courthouse are bad.

Sam and other reporters, issued corrections.

The tweet posted above is one of them.

The preliminary hearing revealed that the murder occurred in the living room.

Sam got it wrong the first time and later corrected it.

I have posted the correction.

If you want to contact Sam, have at it. MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

That's right, it was never corrected. Which I believe is because the reporter relied on the testimony at the preliminary hearing rather than the arrest affidavit, which isn't testimony.

??? Testimony at the preliminary hearing isn't testimony?

 

[MassGuy]

This is insanity. Ignoring the fact that a correction was issued, let’s look at this logically.

The account of the murder occurring in the living room came from KK.

This account appeared in the affidavit.

Agent Slater testified in court as to where KK said the murder occurred.

This information came from KK, and isn’t going to change. It was simply a regurgitation of the facts presented in the affidavit.

I’m speechless (which clearly doesn’t impact my ability to type this).

 

[MyBelle]

Let's try this.

Here is Sam's original tweet about where the murder took place. This is directly from Twitter, okay?

Sam's original tweet where he misreported where Kelsey was murdered:

ORIGINAL TWEET
Sam Kraemer on Twitter
The murder, according to Kenney (through Frazee), happened in a back office/second bedroom, Slater said. When Kenney went back to Frazee’s home, Slater says Frazee gave Kenney the cell phone. Kenney took Berreth’s purse & took it. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee
2:12 PM · Feb 19, 2019

Sam, as well as other reporters, clarified and corrected earlier tweets that were incorrect due to the acoustics in the courtroom.

Again, here is the correction to the tweet above.

CORRECTION TO ABOVE TWEET
Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Prosecutors are saying K was in the back room while the murder happened. They say Kelsey was killed in the living room. Blame the courtroom acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #ParrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

Here is an example of another tweet where Sam mentions the bad acoustics:

Replying to @SamKraemerTV
It sounded like Nash Ranch or Dash Ranch. Again, bad acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney
Sam Kraemer@SamKraemerTV

​

That tweet references the arrest affidavit. Sam never clarified or corrected his postings on the blog that pertained to Agent Slater stating KK said the murder happened in the back room/bedroom.

In fact, his tweets also speak for themselves. If there is a clarification or correction, then please cite a link.
raemer @SamKraemerTV

· Feb 19, 2019

Replying to @SamKraemerTV


It sounded like Nash Ranch or Dash Ranch. Again, bad acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney



Sam Kraemer @SamKraemerTV

The murder, according to Kenney (through Frazee), happened in a back office/second bedroom, Slater said. When Kenney went back to Frazee’s home, Slater says Frazee gave Kenney the cell phone. Kenney took Berreth’s purse & took it. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee



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4:12 PM - Feb 19, 2019

 

[GordianKnot]

No it was not. Pommy has posted links that prove this.

Hanging your hat on incorrect Tweets just to make a point, isn’t going to work.

It will end up confusing people.

I don't know about you, but I ain't confused.

KB was murdered by PF in her living room.

Baby K was present in a back room at the time of the murder.

The only thing I'm confused about is why people are relying on a reporter's tweets over the official court documents or the actual testimony from sworn witnesses?

As I frequently like to remind the people around me, the root word for Twitter is "Twit."

'Nuf said.

JMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

That tweet references the arrest affidavit. Sam never clarified or corrected his postings on the blog that pertained to Agent Slater stating KK said the murder happened in the back room/bedroom.

In fact, his tweets also speak for themselves. If there is a clarification or correction, then please cite a link.
raemer @SamKraemerTV

· Feb 19, 2019

Replying to @SamKraemerTV


It sounded like Nash Ranch or Dash Ranch. Again, bad acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney



Sam Kraemer @SamKraemerTV

The murder, according to Kenney (through Frazee), happened in a back office/second bedroom, Slater said. When Kenney went back to Frazee’s home, Slater says Frazee gave Kenney the cell phone. Kenney took Berreth’s purse & took it. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee



64
4:12 PM - Feb 19, 2019

How many times would you like me to post the link? Maybe you should read back since I've already posted it three times now?

It doesn't matter that the blog wasn't corrected. Sam tweeted a correction.

The original (wrong info) tweet was from the courtroom; he was not tweeting from the affidavit. Yes, that's where the information originally came from.

 

[PommyMommy]

{Respectfully snipped and bolded in purple font by me}

Sam Kraemer @SamKraemerTV

The murder, according to Kenney (through Frazee), happened in a back office/second bedroom, Slater said. When Kenney went back to Frazee’s home, Slater says Frazee gave Kenney the cell phone. Kenney took Berreth’s purse & took it. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

See the bolded purple font? That is the tweet that was in error and later corrected. Posted two or three times now upthread.

 

[PommyMommy]

BBM. No, you have not posted a correction. I'm aware the blog was not corrected. Despite your incredibly personally condescending post, I will continue to believe the reporter because I have yet to see a link to the reporter correcting his post. You have failed repeatedly to provide THAT link. Here is his entire blog postings for Feb. 19. Please point out the posting where he claims to have "got it wrong" and the his posting that the murder occurred in the living room. Thanks.

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

Here is the first time I posted it:

BBM You're in error.

It was misreported and then corrected; one of several. Most of the reporters tweeted that they were having trouble hearing. Here is the correction:

FEB 19, 2019
Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV

Prosecutors are saying K was in the back room while the murder happened. They say Kelsey was killed in the living room. Blame the courtroom acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #ParrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

Here's the second time I posted it:​

Let's try this.

Here is Sam's original tweet about where the murder took place. This is directly from Twitter, okay? Not the blog.

Sam's original tweet where he misreported where Kelsey was murdered:​

ORIGINAL TWEET
Sam Kraemer on Twitter
The murder, according to Kenney (through Frazee), happened in a back office/second bedroom, Slater said. When Kenney went back to Frazee’s home, Slater says Frazee gave Kenney the cell phone. Kenney took Berreth’s purse & took it. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee
2:12 PM · Feb 19, 2019

THEN...Sam, as well as other reporters, clarified and corrected earlier tweets that were incorrect due to the acoustics in the courtroom.

Again, here is the correction to the tweet above.

CORRECTION TO ABOVE TWEET
Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Prosecutors are saying K was in the back room while the murder happened. They say Kelsey was killed in the living room. Blame the courtroom acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #ParrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

Here is an example of another tweet where Sam mentions the bad acoustics:

Replying to @SamKraemerTV
It sounded like Nash Ranch or Dash Ranch. Again, bad acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney
Sam Kraemer@SamKraemerTV
​

Steeltowngirl even posted a video for you. Kelsey was murdered in the living room. We have known this since February.

This is a video of the press conference after the prelim hearing.
Around 8:00 there is discussion of the baby in the back room.

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But, here it is one more time. Sam's correction to the tweet that Kelsey was murdered in the back room which is incorrect. Which is why he tweeted a correction. The correction never made it to the blog.
FEB 19, 2019
Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Prosecutors are saying K was in the back room while the murder happened. They say Kelsey was killed in the living room. Blame the courtroom acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #ParrickFrazee #KrystalKenney ​

 

[PommyMommy]

BBM. No, you have not posted a correction. I'm aware the blog was not corrected. Despite your incredibly personally condescending post, I will continue to believe the reporter because I have yet to see a link to the reporter correcting his post. You have failed repeatedly to provide THAT link. Here is his entire blog postings for Feb. 19. Please point out the posting where he claims to have "got it wrong" and the his posting that the murder occurred in the living room. Thanks.

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

T h e c o r r e c t i o n w a s m a d e i n a t w e e t. I t i s n o t i n t h e b l o g.
You're welcome. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Here is the first time I posted it:

Here's the second time I posted it:​

Steeltowngirl even posted a video for you. Kelsey was murdered in the living room. We have known this since February.

But, here it is one more time. Sam's correction to the tweet that Kelsey was murdered in the back room which is incorrect. Which is why he tweeted a correction. The correction never made it to the blog.
FEB 19, 2019
Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Prosecutors are saying K was in the back room while the murder happened. They say Kelsey was killed in the living room. Blame the courtroom acoustics. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #ParrickFrazee #KrystalKenney ​

Pommy, I’m going to ask a rhetorical question: Did we ever hear about blood being found in a back room?

 

[PommyMommy]

Pommy, I’m going to ask a rhetorical question: Did we ever hear about blood being found in a back room?

KK moved the baby gate to the back room when she was cleaning (it was one of the places she said she left blood) and they did find a spot or something on it. MOO

No, they didn't find a murder scene in the back room.

 

[GordianKnot]

Pommy, I’m going to ask a rhetorical question: Did we ever hear about blood being found in a back room?

"Ooh, ooh, ooh!"

IANAP (I Am Not A Pommy), but it's a rhetorical question, so I'll go ahead and answer it:

NO.

 

[MassGuy]

KK moved the baby gate to the back room when she was cleaning (it was one of the places she said she left blood) and they did find a spot or something on it. MOO

No, they didn't find a murder scene.

Exactly. The affidavit said the living room was the murder scene.

Courtroom testimony also said the living room was the murder scene (going as far as to describe probable blood under the floorboards, on a fireplace, and under some chairs).

 

[katydid23]

The DA can't excuse everybody. My opinion IS based on the evidence that was presented at the preliminary hearing and I've repeatedly posted the link. You really think I'm the only one who formed opinions based on what has been reported by the media?

JMO

At the trial, you will not be able to form opinions based upon the preliminary hearings.
Those hearings are 'preliminary' ---as in pre-test results coming back and pre-new witnesses, pre-further investigation,etc etc

Preliminary hearings are outdated by the time the trial comes around.