CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #56 *ARREST*

[GordianKnot]

Will Patrick take the stand and testify?
Any thoughts - yay or nay?

When pigs fly over frozen ponds in Hell.

Translation: N-O.

Final Answer.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Agreed.

You mentioned CW. I've been giving that some thought, and now I'm wondering:
CW murdered his wife and daughters in CO in August, 2018.
It was huge news everywhere...there's no way PF didn't hear about it.

PF reportedly began to solicit KK to murder KB around the beginning of September:
Affidavit details events leading up to Berreth’s death
SFA:
Between Sept. 1 and Nov. 22, 2018, Frazee solicited Kenney on at least three separate occasions, according to the affidavit.
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I wonder if the Watts case planted the evil seeds in PF's mind re: murdering KB.

PF's takeaways from the Watts coverage may very well have been the following (incredibly ignorant) ideas:
"CW's mistake was in killing the daughters along with the wife. He should have just made it look like the wife decided to take off and leave them all."
"Note to Self: CW got caught because he got his hands dirty. If I get KK to do the killing for me, my hands will be clean. The cops will never be able to trace it back to me."

I wonder if the Watts case is the only reason Baby K is alive today.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the analysis of PF's digital footprint reveals online searches and articles r/t the Watts case.

JMO.

Totally possible, I think there is going to be a lot of incriminating evidence especially between KK and PF from their computers.

 

[Kapua]

When pigs fly over frozen ponds in Hell.

Translation: N-O.

Final Answer.

I am stealing that line!

 

[Seattle1]

I still ponder how WPPD got the wrong Sheila Frazee in their arrest warrants. How did that happen? Hopefully it will become clearer at the trial.

Search warrants in Patrick Frazee case released to the public

COLORADO SPRINGS – The 4th Judicial District Attorney’s Office has released 22 of the search warrants used in the investigation into Kelsey Berreth’s disappearance.

Among the new information found in the documents included a screenshot of a Facebook post has a similar name to Patrick Frazee’s mother that reads “YAY the witch is dead” along with a photo of a television playing the “Wizard of Oz.” However, the D.A. has confirmed with News 5 that Facebook page does not belong to Frazee’s mother Sheila.

The post was dated Nov. 22 at 4:36 p.m., several hours after Kelsey Berreth was last seen at a Safeway store and on the afternoon that investigators said Berreth was killed in her townhome.

Woodland Park Police said they received the screenshot via Facebook message on Dec. 12, 2018. That was two days before a search of the Frazee property.

This was based on a tip to WPPD -- why is this significant?

PD investigated tip utilizing search warrant (as required with fb) and found the info not credible as account belonged to other. Simple case of mistaken identify.

 

[Seattle1]

Well because the defendant's mother asserted the fifth amendment privilege for fear that what she said would incriminate herself. That's a pretty big deal. I'm sure you can figure out it's a big deal because it means the woman with whom he lives and where he supposedly spent the evening burning Kelsey's body, knows a lot and may have participated in something illegal.

I recall SF was called as first witness. I've no doubt she tampered with evidence, at a minimum. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Someone upthread wondered why PF didn't solicit one of his 'buddies' to kill KB instead of reaching out to KK. I think it was because KK, unlike his 'buddies', was an expendable patsy to him.

^^SBM

I doubt PF could finance a hit man, and KK didn't cost a thing -- probably not even gas money. ( I bet KK paid for the pizza too).

PF lived with mother, and allegedly did not have financial ability to make a home for his child and fiancee. I believe KB was tired of waiting on PF, and purchased her own home for herself and daughter.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

No, the timeline does not work, for KK being the one who took KB's phone on Thanksgiving day.

KK was not at the condo when the phone was tracked leaving the premises. But PF was. And KB's phone traveled alongside PF's phone for a couple of days. Until he finally sent it on it's little road trip with KK.

I'm convinced that even if KK's minor children took the stand and testified that mommy made them breakfast and tied their shoes on Thanksgiving morning -- some will be insist that KK was in Woodland Park that day. (Never mind KK's dad, ex, and Michelle are cited in the docs).

I have no idea why the evidence doesn't speak for itself...

MOO

 

[MassGuy]

I'm convinced that even if KK's minor children took the stand and testified that mommy made them breakfast and tied their shoes on Thanksgiving morning -- some will be insist that KK was in Woodland Park that day. (Never mind KK's dad, ex, and Michelle are cited in the docs).

I have no idea why the evidence doesn't speak for itself...

MOO

I’d throw in cell phone location as well.

Even if she is shown to be in Idaho, the timeline would move to the right.

PF merely kidnapped Kelsey, and KK was the one who finished her off with her friend’s gun.

A case would be built around loose ends.

 

[Dave F.]

This was based on a tip to WPPD -- why is this significant?

PD investigated tip utilizing search warrant (as required with fb) and found the info not credible as account belonged to other. Simple case of mistaken identify.

From December 17, 2018 to March 6, 2019? That's a very thorough investigation, IMO
Police Look Into Strange 'Witch is Dead' Post Made Hours After Brutal Murder by Alleged Killer's Mom

 

[MassGuy]

From December 17, 2018 to March 6, 2019? That's a very thorough investigation, IMO
Police Look Into Strange 'Witch is Dead' Post Made Hours After Brutal Murder by Alleged Killer's Mom

The search warrants were released on March, 6.

Who said law enforcement was investigating this that entire time?

 

[katydid23]

I don't think PF will dare take the witness stand, unfortunately.

He knows Dan May and Company will be at his throat, clamouring for answers. Answers that don't make sense and will be shown as blatant lies. Even PF realises he screwed up when talking to the CPS worker. And when revealing all his murder plans to KK.

I wish to HeLL he would testify. That would be an epic fail. I'd love to see it. But I think we will have to be satisfied with watching him squirm in his chair, while the damming evidence is presented in open court.

 

[MsBetsy]

From December 17, 2018 to March 6, 2019? That's a very thorough investigation, IMO
Police Look Into Strange 'Witch is Dead' Post Made Hours After Brutal Murder by Alleged Killer's Mom

That person had nothing to do with the investigation. It was another person with the same name who made that comment, referring to the movie, which is aired every year at Thanksgiving. Imo

 

[MassGuy]

I don't think PF will dare take the witness stand, unfortunately.

He knows Dan May and Company will be at his throat, clamouring for answers. Answers that don't make sense and will be shown as blatant lies. Even PF realises he screwed up when talking to the CPS worker. And when revealing all his murder plans to KK.

I wish to HeLL he would testify. That would be an epic fail. I'd love to see it. But I think we will have to be satisfied with watching him squirm in his chair, while the damming evidence is presented in open court.

Yeah, PF testifying would be a prosecutor's dream. There would be no way to explain away his lies, and he’d quickly find himself backed into a corner.

His lies to law enforcement put him there in the first place. Even though he lawyered up shortly after he spoke to law enforcement, the damage was already done.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Supporting documentation for the search warrant at the ranch was based in part on mistaken identity.

Kelsey Berreth case search warrants released

 

[?mysterian?]

The search warrants were released on March, 6.

Who said law enforcement was investigating this that entire time?

Yeah, it was reported, investigated, and ruled out. Documents about it released March 6 after judge approved.

Not understanding the significance of this now--it's not relevant to the case.

 

[MassGuy]

Supporting documentation for the search warrant at the ranch was based in part on mistaken identity.

Kelsey Berreth case search warrants released

That was the most minor part of the justification.

If the search was based solely on that, then there would be a huge problem.

It wasn’t, and that mistake is wholly irrelevant.

They didn’t get that search warrant because of a case of mistaken identity, and the defense hasn’t filed a motion to exclude the evidence that was found as a result of that warrant.

 

[?mysterian?]

dbm

 

[Deleted member 718]

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...erest/2018CR330/002/18-111 Search Warrant.pdf

 

[Dave F.]

That was the most minor part of the justification.

If the search was based solely on that, then there would be a huge problem.

It wasn’t, and that mistake is wholly irrelevant.

They didn’t get that search warrant because of a case of mistaken identity, and the defense hasn’t filed a motion to exclude the evidence that was found as a result of that warrant.

Perhaps the defense isn't contesting the search warrant of the franchette because they have no objection to any of the evidence gathered there. None was introduced in the cause hearing. IMO

 

[MassGuy]

Perhaps the defense isn't contesting the search warrant of the franchette because they have no objection to any of the evidence gathered there. None was introduced in the cause hearing. IMO

They couldn’t know what the lab results said at that point. Swabs were taken of cleaning solutions and a Swiffer, and they came back positive presumptive for blood.

If lab results confirm that blood to be Kelsey’s, then they are in huge trouble.

Not only that, but electronic items were seized, to include a laptop, phone, and tablet.

There’s plenty of stuff there that could prove problematic, and I can’t imagine that the defense would just take PF’s word for it that nothing incriminating was found.

If there was an objection to be made, I’m sure they would have made it. But like I said, that Facebook post took up a few lines of a 30 page document that outlined dozens of reasons justifying that search.

Nothingburger.