CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #56 *ARREST*

[katydid23]

testing

 

[gitana1]

Why was it such a big deal? The judge decided her testimony wasn't needed. It doesn't appear that SF was called to the stand and actually asserted it herself but an attorney did so with the judge while she was sitting in the gallery of the courtroom. The judge made her leave so hopefully we'll hear what she has to say at trial.

JMO

Well because the defendant's mother asserted the fifth amendment privilege for fear that what she said would incriminate herself. That's a pretty big deal. I'm sure you can figure out it's a big deal because it means the woman with whom he lives and where he supposedly spent the evening burning Kelsey's body, knows a lot and may have participated in something illegal.

 

[pcrum12]

The warrant says that he “was seen on the ATM video from approximately 1244 to 1250 on November 22nd, where he made 4 transactions...The last transaction on November 22nd was at approximately 1513 at Walmart.”

This doesn’t say he was spotted on Walmart video at this time; something that law enforcement would easily be able to verify.

A transaction must have hit his account or something.

Military Time 1050 is:
10:50 AM using 12-hour clock notation,

I see that receipt on page 4 of 26, of Attachment A of the Warrant.

But I think you have the time wrong. What I see is 11/22/18 @1050 hours. Which I see as 1:50 am, correct?
And it is for antacid tablets.
I think this must be from when she was helping PF with stomach problems after midnight, the previous night, when she went with him to check on his cattle.

I can post a screenshot because my pdf not cut and paste.

Military Time 1050 is:
10:50 AM using 12-hour clock notation,

 

[katydid23]

I don't think anyone is saying she (KK) was there on the 22nd and killed her. I think the problems arise with her credibility and i think the jury could just not believe anything she has said. I also think that debating that the possibility that KB was injured but not dead and removed from the condo alive on the 22nd is not all that crazy. It's a workable theory until you guys tear it apart lol. I'm not saying that is what happened, just that it could be possible, maybe? Now tear it apart lol.

It's quite possible she was gravely injured but not quite dead yet, when she was removed from the condo. I have no problem with that theory.

I don't think it changes much of anything, other than explaining why the cadaver dogs didnt hit on the truck or the apartment though

 

[pcrum12]

Sorry, I didn't mean to reply to MassGuy

 

[pcrum12]

It's quite possible she was gravely injured but not quite dead yet, when she was removed from the condo. I have no problem with that theory.

I don't think it changes much of anything, other than explaining why the cadaver dogs didnt hit on the truck or the apartment though

Exactly my point. Thank You

 

[gitana1]

I don't think anyone is saying she (KK) was there on the 22nd and killed her. I think the problems arise with her credibility and i think the jury could just not believe anything she has said. I also think that debating that the possibility that KB was injured but not dead and removed from the condo alive on the 22nd is not all that crazy. It's a workable theory until you guys tear it apart lol. I'm not saying that is what happened, just that it could be possible, maybe? Now tear it apart lol.

Well there's no evidence she was alive after she stopped communicating and except for psychopaths who get sexual pleasure from torturing someone to death or watching them struggle for days of being strangled and brought back to life, etc., perps who want to get rid of someone get rid of them. They don't incapacitate them and keep them alive for awhile. It's makes no sense at all. It only makes it more likely they will get caught and the victim will be able to speak.

It's an interesting theory but respectfully, I don't believe it's workable.

 

[Area52]

I see that receipt on page 4 of 26, of Attachment A of the Warrant.

But I think you have the time wrong. What I see is 11/22/18 @1050 hours.

I'm pretty sure 1050 hours = 10:50 a.m.
Anyone?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I'm pretty sure 1050 hours = 10:50 a.m.
Anyone?

Yes, that’s correct.

 

[MsBetsy]

Cadaverine and putrescine. MOO

Thanks! The other two are skatole and indole which are not as foul smelling. They are also found in feces like the others but the interesting thing is that Cadaverine is also found in urine (I just looked it up) which may explain why the dogs hit on the underwear. But I'm not an expert so of course this is just imo.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't think anyone is saying she (KK) was there on the 22nd and killed her. I think the problems arise with her credibility and i think the jury could just not believe anything she has said. I also think that debating that the possibility that KB was injured but not dead and removed from the condo alive on the 22nd is not all that crazy. It's a workable theory until you guys tear it apart lol. I'm not saying that is what happened, just that it could be possible, maybe? Now tear it apart lol.

I actually do think that some people have made the argument that she could have been there on Thanksgiving Day.

That’s why I have to keep repeating “if she wasn’t there, she wasn’t there.”

As for the idea that Kelsey was taken from the house alive, I think it’s theoretically possible, while being astronomically unlikely.

His goal was to kill her, and taking her alive from that house would have been incredibly difficult, risky, and pointless.

He spent considerable time there for a reason, lied about this, and left blood in the bathroom (and likely other places).

An act of violence occurred there.

We know he had the tote in the back of his truck (surveillance video on the day of the murder), and Kelsey’s body was almost certainly placed in this tote.

It just doesn’t seem to make any sense that he’d put her in there alive, if the evidence even pointed to that (it doesn’t).

He had dinner to attend, and a body to hide.

So if you believe KK’s account, then the theory doesn’t work.

If you don’t believe KK’s account, it still doesn’t make much sense.

In the words of Randy Jackson, “yeah, that’s gonna be a no from me dawg.”

 

[Deleted member 718]

He made a transaction at Walmart at 15:13 Nov 22. I guess there'll be a video of this provided at the trial, if it's indeed correct.

 

[?mysterian?]

testing

What you've linked discusses a WalMart receipt from 11/22/2018 @ 0150, recovered from the front passenger floorboard of a red 2011 Chevy Silverado pickup.

ETA: and was for Tum's antacid

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/image-png.207086/

 

[PommyMommy]

Thanks! The other two are skatole and indole which are not as foul smelling. They are also found in feces like the others but the interesting thing is that Cadaverine is also found in urine (I just looked it up) which may explain why the dogs hit on the underwear. But I'm not an expert so of course this is just imo.

Oh, that's interesting. I learned something new as well as how to spell putrescine. (I had to look that one up, lol.)

 

[MyBelle]

Well because the defendant's mother asserted the fifth amendment privilege for fear that what she said would incriminate herself. That's a pretty big deal. I'm sure you can figure out it's a big deal because it means the woman with whom he lives and where he supposedly spent the evening burning Kelsey's body, knows a lot and may have participated in something illegal.

Sorry, it really is no big deal to me because she was never under oath in order to assert. It will only be big deal if she takes the witness chair and asserts the Fifth at trial. There is no evidence whatsoever that PF's mother did anything illegal.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I will put money on there is photo evidence of KK having thanksgiving with family in idaho the day PF killed KB.
as well as eye witnesses accounting for her presence. we know her father and the friend she borrowed the car from already.
that is pretty damn solid.
without the compelling phone data......

plus there will be cctv all along the way there AND back.......no question .

the prosecution will bring this irrefutable content to the table straight up.
she...was...not...there....

moo

edited to add.....there is already released footage of her at sonic.....tarting herself up after the clean up!

big brother is everywhere. and I am surprised at myself saying.....thankgod!

moo

There may be a photo but unfortunately, there is no evidence KB died on Thanksgiving Day because there is no body therefore there will be no ME testifying.

JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

There may be a photo but unfortunately, there is no evidence KB died on Thanksgiving Day because there is no body therefore there will be no ME testifying.

JMO

The judge believes there is. He ruled Proof Evident, Presumption Great meaning there is clear, strong evidence that PF is guilty of the offense as charged. Proof Evident, Presumption Great is BEYOND Probable Cause and the reason he has no bond.

Bravo to the prosecution!

 

[Gigi3]

We don't know "when" she told Slater this, we just know she admitted it and that drugging coffee with Ambien was her idea. See reporter Sam Kraemer's tweet at 3:54 PM on his blog.
JMO

Sam Kraemer
@SamKraemerTV
Defense pointing out fact that Frazee never blatantly said he wanted Krystal to kill Kelsey Berreth. Slater agrees. Kenney felt like Frazee was just “pulling her chain”. Kenney is the one who suggested putting ambien in the macchiato.
@KOAA
#KrystalKenney #PatrickFrazee

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

Thanks. Then what would PF be “pulling her chain” about I wonder? I think that him wanting KK to kill Kelsey would be the interpretation here, but to each his own. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Thanks. Then what would PF be “pulling her chain” about I wonder? I think that him wanting KK to kill Kelsey would be the interpretation here, but to each his own. JMO

Yes. And this is one instance out of three.

If the first solicitation wasn’t clear, the second two were plain as day.

This wasn’t a joke, and he wasn’t kidding around. Hell, she took it seriously enough to tell certain people close to her about it.

 

[GordianKnot]

Thanks. Then what would PF be “pulling her chain” about I wonder? I think that him wanting KK to kill Kelsey would be the interpretation here, but to each his own. JMO

This, "I thought he was just pulling my chain" comment or whatever KK told Slater is just another example of KK attempting to minimize her own moral culpability.

Saying she thought PF was just kidding about murdering the mother of his child is KK's way of explaining away the fact that she didn't report it to LE or warn KB.

A completely lame, implausible, ineffective, unbelievable way.

There are numerous examples of KK attempting to minimize her role in all of this.

I think that at this point she's reconstructed events in her own mind so that she can somehow portray herself as being an unwilling, unwitting accomplice.

Stating the obvious: KK was neither unwilling nor unwitting.

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JMO.