CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #56 *ARREST*

[MassGuy]

It can be confusing but a judge won't rule that a person doesn't have to testify based on the fifth amendment privilege unless the person asserts the privilege. Which SF did. The judge then had to rule on her assertion of privilege and whether it was valid.

It was a pretty big deal when it happened.

And telling. Very telling.

 

[katydid23]

You make an excellent point! The cadaver dog alerted on a pair of KB's underwear and near the bumper of KB's car yet nowhere else in the condo that, according to KK, had been soaked with human blood for two days before she arrived.

JMO

I don't think cadaver dogs alert on human blood, do they?
Cadaver Dogs are trained to locate and follow the scent of decomposing human flesh, IIRC

 

[GordianKnot]

“There is no evidence whatsoever that KB is dead,” is laughable. We have a two hour window, a provable lie about when he last saw Kelsey, physical evidence corroborating the account of the star witness, and damning cell phone evidence.

PF is charged with murder. Murder charges require that there be a victim, and evidence this victim is dead.

The judge himself determined there was probable cause to proceed to trial.

He made that determination based on something called “evidence.”

ETA: Where am I right now?

BBM:

My best guess is we're currently somewhere between The Upside Down and Never-Never Land.

I don't know where we're going at this point, or why we're headed in this direction.

(Pulls signal cord violently): "Driver, stop this bus, I'm getting off!"

I'm headed back home to Realville.

 

[Gigi3]

Trying to catch up... when did KK admit to PF not asking her to kill Kelsey? What did I miss?? Thanks!

 

[katydid23]

Read the last sentence in your post. What do you think "exercising her right to remain silent at the advisement of counsel" means? MOO

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
She’s exercising her fifth amendment right, FYI. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee
9:09 AM · Feb 19, 201

And there's this:

Prosecutors had sought to call Sheila Frazee to the stand Tuesday, but Judge Sells ruled that she did not have to testify after her attorney said in court she would invoke her right against self-incrimination. In petitioning the court, El Paso County District Attorney Dan May said Frazee allegedly told his mother to lie about Berreth in a campaign to paint her as a bad mother. May also said Sheila witnessed the burning of evidence in the killing.

Grisly account of murder of Kelsey Berreth provided by Idaho nurse

 

[PommyMommy]

And there's this:

Prosecutors had sought to call Sheila Frazee to the stand Tuesday, but Judge Sells ruled that she did not have to testify after her attorney said in court she would invoke her right against self-incrimination. In petitioning the court, El Paso County District Attorney Dan May said Frazee allegedly told his mother to lie about Berreth in a campaign to paint her as a bad mother. May also said Sheila witnessed the burning of evidence in the killing.

Grisly account of murder of Kelsey Berreth provided by Idaho nurse

Thank you, that is really good article. Sad, but you know what I mean... MOO

 

[katydid23]

KK's credibility is definitely an issue the prosecution will need to address, IMO. What will be crucial for the jury to understand is the cell phone data and the surveillance footage showing PF to be lying his @$$ off about where he was Thanksgiving Day, the afternoon of which all communication from KB stopped. Yeah, PF tried to fake KB communicating with her phone, but it seems blatantly obvious compared to her other communications that something was different. During this time frame, KK was still in ID. NOWHERE near KB's. KK arrived for the aftermath. This has all been linked previously in these threads. IMO.

That is so true---her alibi is EVERYTHING in this trial. If she had been anywhere near the crime scene on Thanksgiving Day, she could easily end up incarcerated for life.

 

[katydid23]

Trying to catch up... when did KK admit to PF not asking her to kill Kelsey? What did I miss?? Thanks!

I'd like to see the specifics of that too.

 

[Dave F.]

[Wipes screen]

Well, I just hope it didn't come from any of KK's patients at the hospital or anything. Maybe @MyBelle will fill us in when she gets a chance.

What do you think about KK planting blood evidence, @Dave F. ?

MOO

I keep in mind that when Slater described "a bloody mess" he was describing what KK saw, not what LE saw. I am withholding my judgment until I see what the lab blood tests show (not what somebody thinks Luminol showed. It is only an indicator to test, not a test result). I definitely do not believe that anyone planted any evidence. JMO

 

[GordianKnot]

And there's this:

Prosecutors had sought to call Sheila Frazee to the stand Tuesday, but Judge Sells ruled that she did not have to testify after her attorney said in court she would invoke her right against self-incrimination. In petitioning the court, El Paso County District Attorney Dan May said Frazee allegedly told his mother to lie about Berreth in a campaign to paint her as a bad mother. May also said Sheila witnessed the burning of evidence in the killing.

Grisly account of murder of Kelsey Berreth provided by Idaho nurse

Yeah, and I predict she's not the only one who's going to be pleading the 5th at this trial.

I've been doing some review of the court docs.

PF's "Best Friend" and "Father Figure," RS, has plenty to be concerned about right now.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-118 Search Warrant.pdf

Read this warrant starting at the last paragraph on Page 10:

Why and how would RS be aware of the surveillance cameras near KB's residence?
Why didn't he want PF seen on surveillance at KB's residence?
Why did he state he didn't know what happened to KB in one breath then suggest that she was responsible for her own disappearance in the next?

This guy's a creep.

Then again, this is PF's BFF and "Father Figure" we're talking about here.

JMO.

 

[MyBelle]

It can be confusing but a judge won't rule that a person doesn't have to testify based on the fifth amendment privilege unless the person asserts the privilege. Which SF did. The judge then had to rule on her assertion of privilege and whether it was valid.

It was a pretty big deal when it happened.

Why was it such a big deal? The judge decided her testimony wasn't needed. It doesn't appear that SF was called to the stand and actually asserted it herself but an attorney did so with the judge while she was sitting in the gallery of the courtroom. The judge made her leave so hopefully we'll hear what she has to say at trial.

JMO

 

[Steelslady]

Yeah, and I predict she's not the only one who's going to be pleading the 5th at this trial.

I've been doing some review of the court docs.

PF's "Best Friend" and "Father Figure," RS, has plenty to be concerned about right now.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-118 Search Warrant.pdf

Read this warrant starting at the last paragraph on Page 10:

Why and how would RS be aware of the surveillance cameras near KB's residence?
Why didn't want PF seen on surveillance?
Why did he state he didn't know what happened to KB in one breath then suggest that she was responsible for her own disappearance in the next?

This guy's a creep.

Then again, this is PF's BFF and "Father Figure" we're talking about here.

JMO.

Could you imagine two or possibly more people pleading the fifth in this case?

Within seconds, if I was a juror, I'd think "yep, he's definitely guilty, if Mamma and Dadda figure is pleading the 5th."

 

[?mysterian?]

Yeah, and I predict she's not the only one who's going to be pleading the 5th at this trial.

I've been doing some review of the court docs.

PF's "Best Friend" and "Father Figure," RS, has plenty to be concerned about right now.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-118 Search Warrant.pdf

Read this warrant starting at the last paragraph on Page 10:

Why and how would RS be aware of the surveillance cameras near KB's residence?
Why didn't want PF seen on surveillance?
Why did he state he didn't know what happened to KB in one breath then suggest that she was responsible for her own disappearance in the next?

This guy's a creep.

Then again, this is PF's BFF and "Father Figure" we're talking about here.

JMO.

Don't forget about the bank trip: Oh we want to see surveillance footage, but... Der, uh, forget we were here.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't think cadaver dogs alert on human blood, do they?
Cadaver Dogs are trained to locate and follow the scent of decomposing human flesh, IIRC

That's what I thought too. That's why I was wondering which scents they were supposed to alert on. Decomposing flesh, especially the organs, emit many different odors at different stages. It is the very bad pungent odors that the dogs are usually trained to look for. (from pig flesh) The names of those chemicals I don't remember and probably can't pronounce, but I know there are two that are commonly used.

I thought blood had different odors.

Anyway, as we know, there is so much more evidence for the jury to consider that clearly points to PF as the murderer.

IMO

 

[MyBelle]

Trying to catch up... when did KK admit to PF not asking her to kill Kelsey? What did I miss?? Thanks!

We don't know "when" she told Slater this, we just know she admitted it and that drugging coffee with Ambien was her idea. See reporter Sam Kraemer's tweet at 3:54 PM on his blog.
JMO

Sam Kraemer
@SamKraemerTV
Defense pointing out fact that Frazee never blatantly said he wanted Krystal to kill Kelsey Berreth. Slater agrees. Kenney felt like Frazee was just “pulling her chain”. Kenney is the one who suggested putting ambien in the macchiato.
@KOAA
#KrystalKenney #PatrickFrazee

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

 

[PommyMommy]

That's what I thought too. That's why I was wondering which scents they were supposed to alert on. Decomposing flesh, especially the organs, emit many different odors at different stages. It is the very bad pungent odors that the dogs are usually trained to look for. (from pig flesh) The names of those chemicals I don't remember and probably can't pronounce, but I know there are two that are commonly used.

I thought blood had different odors.

Anyway, as we know, there is so much more evidence for the jury to consider that clearly points to PF as the murderer.

IMO

Cadaverine and putrescine. MOO

 

[k-mac]

KK's credibility is definitely an issue the prosecution will need to address, IMO. What will be crucial for the jury to understand is the cell phone data and the surveillance footage showing PF to be lying his @$$ off about where he was Thanksgiving Day, the afternoon of which all communication from KB stopped. Yeah, PF tried to fake KB communicating with her phone, but it seems blatantly obvious compared to her other communications that something was different. During this time frame, KK was still in ID. NOWHERE near KB's. KK arrived for the aftermath. This has all been linked previously in these threads. IMO.

I will put money on there is photo evidence of KK having thanksgiving with family in idaho the day PF killed KB.
as well as eye witnesses accounting for her presence. we know her father and the friend she borrowed the car from already.
that is pretty damn solid.
without the compelling phone data......

plus there will be cctv all along the way there AND back.......no question .

the prosecution will bring this irrefutable content to the table straight up.
she...was...not...there....

moo

edited to add.....there is already released footage of her at sonic.....tarting herself up after the clean up!

big brother is everywhere. and I am surprised at myself saying.....thankgod!

moo

 

[MassGuy]

I'm trying to fit in his using an ATM at Walmart at 15:13 Nov 22 per search warrant 18-118. Thank you

The warrant says that he “was seen on the ATM video from approximately 1244 to 1250 on November 22nd, where he made 4 transactions...The last transaction on November 22nd was at approximately 1513 at Walmart.”

This doesn’t say he was spotted on Walmart video at this time; something that law enforcement would easily be able to verify.

A transaction must have hit his account or something.

 

[katydid23]

I'm trying to fit in his using an ATM at Walmart at 15:13 Nov 22 per search warrant 18-118. Thank you

I see that receipt on page 4 of 26, of Attachment A of the Warrant.

But I think you have the time wrong. What I see is 11/22/18 @1050 hours.

 

[pcrum12]

I don't think anyone is saying she (KK) was there on the 22nd and killed her. I think the problems arise with her credibility and i think the jury could just not believe anything she has said. I also think that debating that the possibility that KB was injured but not dead and removed from the condo alive on the 22nd is not all that crazy. It's a workable theory until you guys tear it apart lol. I'm not saying that is what happened, just that it could be possible, maybe? Now tear it apart lol.