Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #27

[cottonweaver]

Tech expert on AB:

If CW was wearing his Apple Watch, his step activity (going up and down stairs when he said, per his scenario) should be logged.

Shanann had series 3 Apple Watch, which is the most advanced model.

If she had watch on, LE might be able to view her heart rate, and could theoretically determine when altercation occurred, how long, and approximate time of death.

If she awoke to being strangled, it could show heart rate changes.

Most of this is contingent upon the watch being in “exercise mode” in order to get real time data.

There is no confirmation that either of them were actually wearing their watches, so this is speculative.

That's interesting, potentially.
Many might wear their watch in bed. How likely is it you'd have exercise mode switched on if u'd been on a flight? ( I'm not familiar with the watch or it's user interface. )

 

[MerryB]

I wonder if the COD is listed as "undetermined" for the girls? Is that why the prosecution wants it blocked? Or listed as strangulation, making them fear CW's story will become fixed in the public mind?

I don't understand why they want it blocked!

I keep thinking about this as well. Why would the prosecution want to keep the autopsy results secret? I know the motion states that the “results could tarnish witness testimony or taint future jurors.” But it seems like something the defense would file, does it not?

I think we can all agree this case looked black and white at first. Many of us here on WS still feel that way. Did it look so cut and dry they failed to do a proper investigation? Did they rush to judgement and arrest him before they had adequate evidence? Why did they have to come back later and request fingerprints, a DNA swab, etc.?

I am led to wonder if there is something in the autopsy results that the prosecution does not want to public to be aware of. Is this because it hurts their case? It certainly wouldn’t hurt for potential jurors to hear that COD was strangulation IMO.

 

[nwmouse]

SW has been continually criticised here, for going to several Doctors/ changing Doctors, as worried about her, and her children's 'health concerns'.
I do this, and don't have the many Health Issues.
This topic has been discussed, and I wish to support SW's actions, in seeking the best treatment she feels is required.

BBM:
I don't think SW has been "continually" criticized here. I think the majority of WS has been very supportive of SW and her health issues/the girls' health issues.

 

[cottonweaver]

Thanks @Amandaaa. My curiosity is way up and I'm interested to see how it plays out too.

Agree, it seems very odd.

 

[nwmouse]

God bless those of you who can watch AB everyday. She's practically begging this expert to say what she wants him to say to the point of googling the answer after he already told her the answer. She annoys me more than Nancy Grace.

Yup, me too. AAARGH!!!

 

[MassGuy]

That's interesting, potentially.
Many might wear their watch in bed. How likely is it you'd have exercise mode switched on if u'd been on a flight? ( I'm not familiar with the watch or it's user interface. )

There’s a lot of “ifs” involved in the speculation in general.

It would all depend on what was normal for her, and we still don’t know if she was even wearing it.

 

[BeanieBod]

Colorado Judicial Branch

State wants footprints, too!

Wow, reading those filings and responses and orders have given me a headache. However, I may be in the minority when I say that his defense team needs to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. Then he will have very little basis for appeals.

@Mrspratcher , do they have some form of boiler plate filing software and research tools? I am just curious about the process that I find fascinating. Thanks.

 

[Whiteorchids]

I wonder if he was backed up all the way in the garage? The neighbor who regularly goes to the gym early saw his truck backed up in the driveway and running which she had never seen him leave that early before. Wouldn’t his truck completely be in the garage if he was loading up the bodies instead of sitting in the driveway? Otherwise if it was backed up in the driveway it seems like someone would see him dragging SW around towards the front in the cab area where he could be seen. I remember when Casey Anthony backed her car all the way into the garage to open the trunk.

 

[nwmouse]

Especially if he put SW in the tool box instead of the back seat....

*edit for typo

Do we have the dimensions of the toolbox?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Totally understandable.
Expect to see lots of motions -
by the prosecution, wanting stuff
By the defense, wanting the prosecution to tell them WHY they want stuff
By the defense wanting the prosecution to turn over stuff
By the prosecution, objecting to turning over stuff
By either side, for stuff to be redacted/sealed/reviewed in camera
By the media, for wanting access to stuff (or the proceedings)
By either side, objecting to the media
Etc etc etc...

@Amandaaa
I'm trying to catch up. Sorry if this has already been asked. Will the media be asking for the autopsies?

 

[Ur728]

I keep thinking about this as well. Why would the prosecution want to keep the autopsy results secret? I know the motion states that the “results could tarnish witness testimony or taint future jurors.” But it seems like something the defense would file, does it not?

I think we can all agree this case looked black and white at first. Many of us here on WS still feel that way. Did it look so cut and dry they failed to do a proper investigation? Did they rush to judgement and arrest him before they had adequate evidence? Why did they have to come back later and request fingerprints, a DNA swab, etc.?

I am led to wonder if there is something in the autopsy results that the prosecution does not want to public to be aware of. Is this because it hurts their case? It certainly wouldn’t hurt for potential jurors to hear that COD was strangulation IMO.

Could it have anything to do with giving him a fair trial at all? To avoid a mistrial perhaps? I mean I don't know the legal system or anything that's why I am asking.

 

[MsGazette]

That's interesting, potentially.
Many might wear their watch in bed. How likely is it you'd have exercise mode switched on if u'd been on a flight? ( I'm not familiar with the watch or it's user interface. )

I wonder if LE has looked at this. Interesting point @MassGuy

 

[Mosaic]

Ballpark scenario for my accomplice theory:

First: the amount of activity/physical exertion to commit the crimes, remove the bodies, drive to the site, disposed of them and the back to business (creepy) in correlation with the timing to accomplish all that. It doesn't add up, at least for me.

Second: It might be nothing, but on the porch interview CW said: this has to stop/this has to end.
It's a weird expression regarding the circumstances. I think it was a cryptic message/plea to the accomplice, as in "let's cave in, I cant handle it anymore".
Why on a news interview? Because he knows all his SM/phone calls/texts/message are been monitored; maybe that's why.

Third: Different disposals location: shallow grave, tank 1, tank 2.
The shallow grave? huh, I think it was dig up by a woman; that's why it's shallow; or the accomplice was racing to do it.
Different tanks for the disposal of the babies: CW dumping one on tank 1 and Accomplice dumping another on tank 2; simultaneously.

Fourth: the ONLY genuine gesture indicating truthful from CW, was when they were reading him the charges and he was nodding : no, no."
as in no, it didn't happened that way.

My final thought: let's see, a barefoot print on a bag on a oil field (which has been identified as part of the crime scene because that's where the bodies were located.
If a man is performing all of the above, is it likely he took the time to remove his shoes?
or is it more likely for a woman to remove shoes/heels/flats, to dig up a grave and racing up a ladder?

Sounds crazy? Indeed! but this case has been senseless since day one. Feel free to scroll/roll
All my speculation and theory. JMO MOO MOO


… and back to my rabbit hole...

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if LE has looked at this. Interesting point @MassGuy

They certainly would have. They seem to have been very diligent thus far, and data like this could be huge to the prosecution’s case. Let’s just hope it exists.

 

[SweetPeas56]

This is where they say it could influence jurors

Prosecutors aim to keep how Colorado mom, girls died secret

Is the unsealed affidavit a new one, or the prior one we already saw?

 

[nwmouse]

MerryB said: ↑
I keep thinking about this as well. Why would the prosecution want to keep the autopsy results secret? I know the motion states that the “results could tarnish witness testimony or taint future jurors.” But it seems like something the defensewould file, does it not?

I think we can all agree this case looked black and white at first. Many of us here on WS still feel that way. Did it look so cut and dry they failed to do a proper investigation? Did they rush to judgement and arrest him before they had adequate evidence? Why did they have to come back later and request fingerprints, a DNA swab, etc.?

I am led to wonder if there is something in the autopsy results that the prosecution does not want to public to be aware of. Is this because it hurts their case? It certainly wouldn’t hurt for potential jurors to hear that COD was strangulation IMO.

Could it have anything to do with giving him a fair trial at all? To avoid a mistrial perhaps? I mean I don't know the legal system or anything that's why I am asking.

They might want to make absolutely sure their case is airtight. I remember during the Jodi Arias case the judge was strict on rulings BECAUSE she wanted to make sure the verdict could not be overturned by appeals. Hopefully the Prosecution will cross all the t's, dot all the i's and make sure CW gets to drop soap in the prison showers three times a week or however many times LWOP's are allowed to take showers. Sorry for being a bit vehement but this case has my blood boiling!

 

[katydid23]

That is odd that he knew exact times. That former teacher said he had a photographic memory. I also wonder if the neighbor checked their security camera, hoping to see if it picked up anyone abducting the family, and then told CW before LE even checked out their cameras what time they saw him leave and that they noticed no one else that the camera picked up.

Way back upthread, there was an interesting speculation that makes sense to me, not sure if it really happened or not.

It's possible that when NUA first arrived, and got no response to cell or to doorbell, and saw that there was a car in the garage, and the door was latched, she may have gone next door or across the street, to see if the neighbors had seen her and the kids. At some point, one of the neighbors may have checked their footage, to see if the family walked somewhere?

That makes sense to me, because it might explain why the police were so motivated to investigate so quickly. If they saw that the wife/kids did not exit on foot through front, and hadn't done so --and yet he backed into garage---that would be big red flags, imo.

 

[nwmouse]

I keep thinking about this as well. Why would the prosecution want to keep the autopsy results secret? I know the motion states that the “results could tarnish witness testimony or taint future jurors.” But it seems like something the defense would file, does it not?

I think we can all agree this case looked black and white at first. Many of us here on WS still feel that way. Did it look so cut and dry they failed to do a proper investigation? Did they rush to judgement and arrest him before they had adequate evidence? Why did they have to come back later and request fingerprints, a DNA swab, etc.?

I am led to wonder if there is something in the autopsy results that the prosecution does not want to public to be aware of. Is this because it hurts their case? It certainly wouldn’t hurt for potential jurors to hear that COD was strangulation IMO.

I honestly don't think the prosecution is keeping the autopsy results under wraps because it might hurt their case. But adding a MOO! I think they want to make it airtight so that when CW's attorneys file appeals, there will be no grounds to overturn CW's conviction for murdering his wife, toddlers and unborn son. MOOing loudly, yes.

 

[borndem]

Interesting thought: CW couldn't take the bodies out the front door of his home because HIS OWN Ring doorbell camera would have recorded him doing that.

Great point. If the car was backed up in front of the garage, it would also be easier to load the bodies, and not risk being spotted (the truck would provide cover).

Well, I'll grudgingly give him one point for being that smart. SMH

 

[MerryB]

Could it have anything to do with giving him a fair trial at all? To avoid a mistrial perhaps? I mean I don't know the legal system or anything that's why I am asking.

I’m not a lawyer nor to I claim to know anything about law! Let’s ask our trial lawyer @Amandaaa