Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #27

[cailleach]

I can’t figure out CW’s thinking, concerning why he thought it was necessary to kill the children, or in what order he strangled everybody. But it doesn’t really matter, he did it. I suppose it had something to do with staging a scene that would make him look as innocent as possible.

My thought is he's like so many other people who do these things and he was done with that family and ready to move onto what he imagined were bigger and better things. Sociopathic type people have little problem justifying walking over some cold, dead bodies to achieve what they want next. They don't have real relationships so the trail of people left in their wake means little to them.

Some of us believe his motivation may have been the work A/P. If it's the person I suspect, she is much more educated with a considerably higher income. He didn't want to have the added burden of having his comparitively meager resources drained with shared debt, spousal maintenance, and child support for the foreseeable future. Much more efficient to be rid of them, sell the house, pay off debt, and start over without any of those burdens or the interference of child visitation in his new life. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Thanks! Puts my mind at ease. I think I get it now,that although he could tell them where the bodies were, that I know of, he never admitted to have putting them there himself. So this is to maybe rule out anyone else. (I think I’ve been listening to too much AB ).

Hopefully one of the lawyers can chime in, but I’ve never heard of a request like this being denied.

They’ve (DA/LE) got to cover their bases, even if he’s admitted to certain aspects, like the body disposal.

 

[sun16]

My thinking is that either way, she never saw the kids being killed or dead.

Either she was killed first. Or, she was killed very soon after she walked in the door, as he lay in wait.

He wouldn’t want her to see the bodies, because that would make the situation far more risky for him.

An angry and distraught victim, increases the chance for the plot to go awry. It risks injury to himself, and raises the prospect of a neighbor hearing something.

I am 50/50 on this. Can’t decide who died first, when, before she got home or after ... just torn.

 

[MassGuy]

I am 50/50 on this. Can’t decide who died first, when, before she got home or after ... just torn.

I’m in the same boat. We simply don’t have enough information at this point.

 

[Layla123]

Bags? Footprints? My poor brain doesn’t know how to process this! If C.W. brought bags to the Oil field is it possible that he left them out in the field like he did the fitted sheet that matched the top sheet and pillowcases he left back home? Is he that stupid? Could he have dumped one of his children into the oil tank tied up in this bag? If his bare footprint is on this bag does that mean he stepped on his deceased daughter? If he did step on this bag would his footprint remain there after this bag was submerged in oil for 4 days? And how will this footprint help solve the case? What harm could he have done with his feet? Kicked them to death? Do they think this print might belong to an accomplice? Why would an accomplice step on a bag? Help!

 

[NuttMegg]

I too think that she was killed on the first floor, those dogs barking seemed really close to where he was on the porch. Really close.

that might be alluded to when he says he went down stairs..you know how he sprinkles tidbits into his spiels

 

[Kensie]

I honestly think CW wanted out and to be free and clear and have the life of a single man.
AP was probably fun for him but I still think he wanted complete freedom.

Please excuse the run-on sentence.

 

[bluesneakers]

She barely let him talk, she barely let him near him, she barely spoke to him.

Barely let him explain where the girls were?

 

[Gardenista]

wrong thread

 

[bluesneakers]

I am 50/50 on this. Can’t decide who died first, when, before she got home or after ... just torn.

Me too, and I just don't have the heart to research which order family annihilators typically work in. (Other than obviously the ones who end with themselves.) It's too depressing to think about their specific patterns.

 

[Mosaic]

Bags? Footprints? My poor brain doesn’t know how to process this! If C.W. brought bags to the Oil field is it possible that he left them out in the field like he did the fitted sheet that matched the top sheet and pillowcases he left back home? Is he that stupid? Could he have dumped one of his children into the oil tank tied up in this bag? If his bare footprint is on this bag does that mean he stepped on his deceased daughter? If he did step on this bag would his footprint remain there after this bag was submerged in oil for 4 days? And how will this footprint help solve the case? What harm could he have done with his feet? Kicked them to death? Do they think this print might belong to an accomplice? Why would an accomplice step on a bag? Help!

Maybe someone load up a change of clothes in the bag? Discarded the garments used when digging the grave? Accidentally stepped on the bag? the same way the sheet got exposed so did the bag? JMO

 

[Deleted member 134862]

Bags? Footprints? My poor brain doesn’t know how to process this! If C.W. brought bags to the Oil field is it possible that he left them out in the field like he did the fitted sheet that matched the top sheet and pillowcases he left back home? Is he that stupid? Could he have dumped one of his children into the oil tank tied up in this bag? If his bare footprint is on this bag does that mean he stepped on his deceased daughter? If he did step on this bag would his footprint remain there after this bag was submerged in oil for 4 days? And how will this footprint help solve the case? What harm could he have done with his feet? Kicked them to death? Do they think this print might belong to an accomplice? Why would an accomplice step on a bag? Help!

Step on the bag to keep it stable as he pulled the body out to put into the oil tank?

 

[Deleted member 230544]

NUA reportedly talked to CW when no answer at the door, she listened to the "play date story," and walked the neighborhood looking for SW and the girls as they were not answering and appeared to be on foot (i.e., her auto in garage). When NUA relayed to CW they were nowhere to be found in the hood, and CW still blew her off, she announced she was calling police and did just that. MOO

Thanks Seattle1 that explains the gap between 12 pm and 1:40 pm when LE were dispatched. Makes sense now.

 

[Layla123]

Step on the bag to keep it stable as he pulled the body out to put into the oil tank?

But then he was so stupid he left it at the scene?

 

[WildWest]

This is what makes me question the sequence. She would have entered their rooms. Either she screamed when she saw an empty bed and this is what people perceived as the dog wailing, or perhaps she was attacked by CW at that point. I mean, she had to feel that the girls were not in the house if they were dead. So I think he killed her first, and then, the girls - it does not take much for a guy of his height and strength.

Or else, she never had the chance and everything happened on the 1st floor.

He leaked so much of his own truth while trying to lie on the porch interviews, I cannot get the phrase out of my mind where he said he looked a the baby monitor and saw BW sprawled out and blue on the bed and thinnking God forbid SW did get to bed, barely standing upright from the conditions mentioned above, and looked over to see BW. I have no idea but obviously drawn to this case. Grew up just west of there and spent summers on farm just east of there as a child. My close friend has to drive by the intersection of the neighborhood twice per day going to and coming back from work. I am furious and mystified and just don't understand why. I'm just so sorry for all of them and the rest of us that didn't even know them.

 

[Deleted member 134862]

But then he was so stupid he left it at the scene?

He left a sheet that matched the ones in his house. I am still incredulous about that. Did he just think he had the time to come back and get them later? I just have no clue.

 

[sun16]

My thought is he's like so many other people who do these things and he was done with that family and ready to move onto what he imagined were bigger and better things. Sociopathic type people have little problem justifying walking over some cold, dead bodies to achieve what they want next. They don't have real relationships so the trail of people left in their wake means little to them.

Some of us believe his motivation may have been the work A/P. If it's the person I suspect, she is much more educated with a considerably higher income. He didn't want to have the added burden of having his comparitively meager resources drained with shared debt, spousal maintenance, and child support for the foreseeable future. Much more efficient to be rid of them, sell the house, pay off debt, and start over without any of those burdens or the interference of child visitation in his new life. MOO

Totally agree but still dumbfounded that people think they can get away with this stuff.

 

[BeanieBod]

I think he took them out of the bags before he dumped them in the tanks in the hope the oil would remove his DNA from their bodies . Maybe at the top of the oil tanks it's a bit windy and the bag blew away before he had a chance to grab it . Then there was no time to go after it . A possibility I guess.?????

Wow, that thought is awful but very probable.


This is when we need an OMG button or I CAN'T button.

 

[NuttMegg]

ok you'd think he might have worked up a sweat murdering his family, or got some bodily fluids on himself, so he probably showered. At that time he could have stepped on one of the garbage bags containing a family member. Dont you guys think, that IF he murdered them upstairs he probably also bagged them up there to avoid dragging or carrying them over the rugs, while dead?

 

[Deleted member 230544]

Kensie said: ↑
She barely let him talk, she barely let him near him, she barely spoke to him.


Bluff:
Does anyone have the link to the interview were CW makes those inclinations in his speech? I would like to view it too. TIA