Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34, dec.), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #3

[cvaldez1975]

BBM

What does that mean, "he has no game"? That he's drippy and unconfident? I wanted her to explain that comment.

having no game has been around for years. it originated in basketball but they waylaid it to dating. it just means he is awkward and bumbling when it comes to getting dates.

 

[borndem]

Shanann Watts

Warning. It's going to break your heart.

What a sweetie-pie. Looks just like her mom. Another little angel goes up. And as I always say, who knows what we here in the world lost -- she could have been a professor, nurse, doctor, lawyer, prima ballerina, senator, great mom, a talented singer, etc. We were robbed of someone with amazing potential. She and her sister -- either or both could have changed the world for the better. He stole that opportunity from all of us.

 

[cvaldez1975]

I'd agree. Rentals are outrageous as well, small apartments are around $1000 and up. House rentals in my old neighborhood in Denver are more that $3000.

ETA: Those house rental prices are about 3 times our mortgage/escrow payment in rural Colorado.

where I live a 2 bedroom apt goes for 2400 and to buy a regular 3/2 house is around 900-mil. and let me tell you, the average joe here does not make enough to sustain this. its the techies and foreign investors. normies who own, bought when the bubble burst. (bay area ca)

 

[margarita25]

Slain Colorado woman was to have 'gender reveal' party on Saturday

Shanann Watts had been looking forward to a party on Saturday to disclose the gender of her third child, CNN affiliate KDVR said, quoting a friend.

A candelight vigil is to be held in the Wyndham Hill neighborhood on Friday night. A makeshift memorial with flowers and stuffed animals is growing outside the Watts' house.

Tim Sunderland, community manager for the Wyndham Hill Master Association, the homeowner association, said the clubhouse will be open at 5 p.m. local time for people to congregate and comfort each other.

Well, since I’m in the area, normally I’d go to this vigil for the additional purpose of sleuthing and seeing who is potentially acting suspicious, get the word on the street, etc, but since we know who the perp is, I will refrain from attending bc honestly it is just too darn sad. My heart goes out to these victims and their families.

One of my best friends lives in Frederick and we are getting together this weekend. I wonder if she knew this family. I bet she does. How long did they live in Frederick again? Tia

Ps: If you guys have any specific questions for a local who lives in the neighborhood, let me know and I’ll ask her. LE obviously has this one in the bag, but if there’s something you guys are curious about specifically...

 

[Momma2cam]

And how does a defense attorney look at such a killer and say “Well, I’ll do my best to help get you off.”

Sorry, but I’m generally not a fan of most defense attorneys. I know they are there to protect the rights of the defendant. But I feel many operate less by “providing the best defense under the law” than “I want to win my case. Period.” I don’t like the tactics many defense attorneys employ. Providing a fair defense doesn’t mean getting your client off. /rant

They have a job to do. It truly is a big jigsaw puzzle that both the prosecution and defense are working on. Each best works their case by predicting and understanding the other's case. Then, focusing on the holes in the prosecution. A good defense attorney reviews the evidence and if they determine their client is lying to them, either refuses to accept the case (not an option for public defenders) or tells them honestly they are "f'ed" and starts working a plea deal.

The strategies are all nearly the same based on the type of case and prosecutors and judges know that. As a witness ( expert and otherwise), I also can generally predict what I'll be asked by the defense. It is always the same- discredit my credentials, diagnosis, training, the modality, experience, etc. I have felt so angry and tearful after testifying and had defense attorneys later tell me how good my testimony was (not for their case). I could never do the job but do understand it is the way our judicial system works.

 

[KathrynL]

where I live a 2 bedroom apt goes for 2400 and to buy a regular 3/2 house is around 900-mil. and let me tell you, the average joe here does not make enough to sustain this. its the techies and foreign investors. normies who own, bought when the bubble burst. (bay area ca)

Colorado is getting a lot of people out of California, and I can see the attraction with what the cost of housing is in your area. What is outrageous out here is a bargain in comparison.

 

[overthemoon]

I don't know!! I kind of remember something about them entering with the friend to do a welfare check but I really don't know?

Hmmmm ... It struck me as unusual why CW didn’t dispose of SR’s keys, wallet etc. Why leave them at home ? Is that why he panicked about LE reaching their home before him ?

Think about it ... It would have better if those personal items of SR were not found. Like CW could send say, “Oh, she just left with her purse, her keys etc I have n clue where she went”.

 

[GraceG]

Sad, isn't it? They now have done studies that have shown people often get depressed after reading social media.

Because everyone appears to have it better. Trips, photoshopped pictures, smiling faces galore! Sorry, life just isn't like that. It's a make-believe word, a highlight reel of only the good parts.

It's why I often post photo's of myself in hot rollers and my bathrobe that my poor friends have to look at, lol. But, hello, this is reality.

Social media is not reality.

I so agree. I'm an author so I have about 12 million people that follow my website. I make it plain that life is not perfect, there are photos of me in the fuzzy grey bathrobe that make me look like Chuck E Cheese and photos of the occasional burned frozen pizza. I remember one flight where for the first time in my life I splurged for first class (husband's travel miles helped) and the lady next to me was reading one of my books. She said, looking at the author picture, "I bet this is photoshopped" and I said "no, and no filters but there was some serious contouring and concealer going on" and she looked at my face and started laughing. But I try and keep things normal, no one is "famous" in our house" we are all special, even in our imperfections. We share the good times, but we share the tears as well, asking for the prayers of those that share our lives, even if just online.

 

[gitana1]

MLM folks usually start doing it because they need the money or they want discounted products. The people who are really into are usually in it with hopes to make lots of money. They typically post constantly on social media - it’s a perfect platform for free advertising, and it’s strongly encouraged. But, it’s not free, it comes with a hefty price for people who don’t want to be judged by hundreds if not thousands of people on SM as a failure if it doesn’t work. So, they stay in it even when it’s not paying the bills. I think that’s where it has a big potential to destroy a person or family. It’s sad!

I have an aunt by marriage who did it for years. It was supposed to prevent all illnesses and make everyone super healthy. She hawked it aggressively and fanatically and it was quite annoying.

My uncle who she fed it to for years, died of a sudden heart attack after years battling emphysema and alcohol issues. My aunt currently can barely walk due to gout, shingles and rheumatoid arthritis. She's destitute too.

An acquaintance of mine just got into some pyramid scheme supplements as well. She's constantly texting me and posting FB messages about "jumping in on conference calls" to learn about how to revolutionize your health. With this product you can eat anything you want and not be bloated or whatever.

In the meantime she's a total alcoholic who eats terribly. Sorry. I'm not taking health advice from her.

Who knows what getting into this stuff did to this family financially. But I'm not impressed with it.

 

[HoldySi]

I don't know if I'm in the minority here, but I don't feel like he ever hurt those girls. I have the hardest time (still- I posted about this last night too) figuring out what made him "snap" enough to kill his kids. There are SM videos of his daughter vocalizing her love for him, there are photos of the girls cuddling and snuggling up on him, all smiles. I don't see any Lucas Hernandez-style pictures here. The unverified account of the friend who said the MIL and SIL tried feeding one daughter peanuts said that SW insisted that CW stay close by to keep them safe. I don't think he hurt them at all, until that night. Are there other cases like this? Why does this happen? The only other one that comes to mind is Justin Ross Harris, whose ex-wife still swears he wouldn't have left Cooper in his hot car on purpose, because he loved him so dearly. I'm just struggling with this one yall.

 

[enelram]

Someone asked what "he has no game" meant...
means no skills coming on to opposite sex- no social skills.

Urban Dictionary: no game

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I believe this is what happened. He told police he committed the murders during interrogation, and told them where the bodies were, and the company pulled the surveillance video. That's how LE was confident about where to find the bodies. We need to see those police interrogations!

Could be. I think the company or LE pulled the security videos prior to his arrest and he came clean on killing them during interrogations. He was advised by his attorney to lead them to the bodies in hopes of the DP being taken off the table. MOO

 

[cattlekate]

It will not let me quote but up above post number 370. Yes my friend that lives right near Frederick said no one can seem to afford to live there. You have to have a spouse, roommate and a few incomes coming in because it is so expensive with hordes of people moving in everyday. Expensive and there are some locals on here so feel free to chime in. She said the more rural areas in the mountains and plains are cheaper but there is no work and everything is far away such as medical also.
From what I have read on here they were in debt and both of them were working.

I bought a 400k small, older house north of Frederick/Firestone last year. Yes, housing is expensive in the Dacono Basin, but not crazy like Denver metro or Fort Collins/Loveland. O&G jobs are plentiful but Anadarko wants you to live within 50 miles of the Basin.

The Watt’s house was assessed around 484k. They could’ve sold it easily, within weeks, and just gotten one of the new apartments being built in Frederick, and on up to Johnstown and Greeley. Or an older cheaper apartment. And they could’ve rescued themselves out of extreme debt, which I’m guessing is the case here.

 

[RavenCC2020]

Does anyone know how taxes are paid on MLM income? How is the income denoted - on a W2? Does the income include the benefits, such as giving a stipend for a Lexus lease as well as the earned “lifestyle” trips?

It is no different then anyone running a small business that is not incorporated or LLC. You are supposed to pay taxes quarterly, you can write off business expenses that would include whatever new inventory you had to purchase that year, internet costs, car leases, gas, airfare if travel is necessary, office space within your home (therefore part of your mortgage payment) if you have a disignated room that is just for your business, food, magazines....and the list goes on.

As far as what forms you use that varies. I sell online so I am sent a 1099 form from the platform which documents the money paid to me less taxes and shipping costs. It is something I can file every four months on my own or what I actually do, file a regular joint tax form with hubby and CPA just itemizes expenses. I pay the penalty for not filing quarterly but not a biggie. It just makes it easier filing jointly come tax time.

 

[TTF14]

Hmmmm ... It struck me as unusual why CW didn’t dispose of SR’s keys, wallet etc. Why leave them at home ? Is that why he panicked about LE reaching their home before him ?

Think about it ... It would have better if those personal items of SR were not found. Like CW could send say, “Oh, she just left with her purse, her keys etc I have n clue where she went”.

That probably was his plan, but he didn't count on not having time to carry it out because Nicole arrived. And he couldn't do it before work because he didn't have time since SW got home later than planned due to her delayed flight.

 

[CARIIS]

Interestingly he has been hired as an expert for the defense in 60% of his 50 times he has testified.
Max Wachtel, Ph.D. :: JurisPro Expert Witness Directory :: Colorado

ha

were they cases where the def attorney was expensive and the client had resources !

how many public defender cases did he do!!

follow the money!!

 

[TTF14]

I don't know if I'm in the minority here, but I don't feel like he ever hurt those girls. I have the hardest time (still- I posted about this last night too) figuring out what made him "snap" enough to kill his kids. There are SM videos of his daughter vocalizing her love for him, there are photos of the girls cuddling and snuggle up on him, all smiles. I don't see any Lucas Hernandez-style pictures here. The unverified account of the friend who said the MIL and SIL tried feeding one daughter peanuts said that SW insisted that CW stay close by to keep them safe. I don't think he hurt them at all, until that night. Are there other cases like this? Why does this happen? The only other one that comes to mind is Justin Ross Harris, whose ex-wife still swears he wouldn't have left Cooper in his hot car on purpose, because he loved him so dearly. I'm just struggling with this one yall.

Do you mean ever, before killing them? I do agree with this. I think this was the first time he hurt them.

 

[leighmarker]

I’m not exactly sure, some sort of class being held for a small group in a kitchen. Considering what we know happened in his life 6 years later, it’s bananas. I hope nobody takes this guys advice.

It appears to be a satellite class, for a college. I doubt his tiny town has a community college, but Broomfield would be close and have an extension program.

 

[dms]

here is how it really works

Perry Mason (!) gives the idea that all are adversaries (prosecutors, judges, defense attorneys) nothing could be more untrue!

They are dear friends, there kids know each others kids . The travel together (a fondness for cruising all the kids!)

I've found this to be true to a great extent. Not always to the point of being unethical, but if you're in a small pond, the fish tend to know each other socially and professionally -- sometimes since law school or before.

In my city/state, we're in the middle of a three-ring circus of impeachment of Supreme Court justices. The Chief Justice has been indicted on various charges (23 at last count, IIRC) of fraud, misusing state vehicles, misusing the state's gas card, putting state-owned furniture in his own home, etc. All the justices have been accused of exorbitant spending of state money in the remodeling of their chambers ($90,000 in flooring? $32,000 for a couch? Seriously). Two are still standing, unless something's changed overnight. Two have resigned. One of those was already under intense scrutiny; a few years ago this justice's husband, a prominent plaintiffs' attorney in town, sold a private jet to another local plaintiff's attorney who practices here in WV but whose main offices are in Mississippi. That might've gone more or less unnoticed had the attorney who bought the jet not also contemporaneously gotten a $91 million dollar verdict in a nursing home neglect case (!) he had before the justice in question.

Given what I know of the justice and her husband, I think it's entirely possible that she didn't know about the plane. It's just all a little too close for comfort. In a place like this, though, it's extremely tricky. Law firms are the major industry of Charleston (and Wheeling, and Beckley, and Martinsburg, and Morgantown...). My second job as a legal secretary was at the same firm where my mother worked. One of my best friends is an attorney I met when she was assigned to me fresh out of law school. Before I went on disability this past year I was working as a legal assistant/paralegal for one attorney I went to high school with and one I didn't know (but our dads know each other, it turned out). Half the counsel in town grew up together or were college roommates. I met my own husband when we were both on staff at a defense firm in town; he is now the director of legal services at a healthcare company, and is a client to both that firm and my most recent one. My most recent job, btw, I got in part due to a good word being put in for me by one of the firm's members -- my husband's best friend from college. Our FB friends lists are all ridiculous to look at because it's a vast interconnected pool of lawyers, judges, clients, insurance adjusters, mediators, experts, PIs, court clerks, legal staff, vendors, court reporters...

This was an extremely long-winded way of agreeing with @CARIIS, I guess, and saying there is usually SO much going on in the background of any given case. Though to be fair most of my experience is in civil law.

ETA: The connections just keep occurring to me. I was getting a haircut recently from the daughter of the County Commissioner when my cousin -- an attorney, of course -- walked in. I had no clue they knew each other -- but of course everyone knows each other here...

 

[Momma2cam]

ha

were they cases where the def attorney was expensive and the client had resources !

how many public defender cases did he do!!

follow the money!!

My guess is 0 public defender cases. He charges $400/HR. Which is cheap. *eye roll*