Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #52

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Someone refresh my memory - where did we learn that BM was a true crime buff?
It's come up again in the last few days and I cannot recall where that info came from.
I’m not sure but that part about him has definitely interested me ... very odd that now he is in right smack in the middle or really the front of the line in his wife’s disappearance .
Moo
 
BM's Trip?
@Ontario Mom sbm Thx for your link & reminder; it helps.
Yes, at ~ 23 min mark, Chris the host mentions first names of two females, about which we can have no further discussion.
~ 32:30 the host refers to a photo of BM & his 2 dau's in Mexico and suggests a 4th person accompanying them on the trip took the pic.
So that answers my question about who said BM went to Mexico.
To stay w'in ToS, now I'm clamming up about this.
He put his cards on the table so to speak and I find no value in discussing his speculation honestly. Personally I think the speculation put Andy is a tough position which was unfortunate. The facts will ultimately speak louder than anything.
 
He put his cards on the table so to speak and I find no value in discussing his speculation honestly. Personally I think the speculation put Andy is a tough position which was unfortunate. The facts will ultimately speak louder than anything.
I do agree with you that Andy probably backed away a little bit from him due to the speculation. I think Andy is on a very direct path and he needs to stay on that lane.

MOO
 
He put his cards on the table so to speak and I find no value in discussing his speculation honestly. Personally I think the speculation put Andy is a tough position which was unfortunate. The facts will ultimately speak louder than anything.
Right now the facts aren’t speaking and neither is LE. If not for CM and his speculation, this thread would be dead. When CM says ‘he sure hopes so’ a couple of times in his latest video, he’s letting the investigators know, he’s not going to let this one burn out. Good for him.
 
And why hire a PI when you could have the resources of CCSO, CBI and FBI? That is assuming they’d clear him as a suspect...
RBBM
We both know THAT isn’t ever going to happen :). Why? Because it’s been so painfully obvious right from the beginning that he is their ONLY suspect. There will be no surprises here. We just need to exercise patience. So hard.

Although this case is similar to the case against Donthe Lucas, the difference is, there wasn’t any doubt in LE’s mind who was responsible for Suzanne’s disappearance. Very regretfully, that was not the case when Kelsie turned up missing. Thank goodness for her mother’s dogged determination in keeping her case alive. JMO
 
YES, they have zero accountability ever. I still don't think he could of done something too brutal though, I really think if he did kill her , he strangled her.
I don't mean that strangulation is not brutal , I just mean I dont think he could of done something that caused a lot of blood.

MOO
I on the other hand think him very capable of a bloody crime scene. We can’t forget he is an avid huntsman.
 
I mean, BM said with his own mouth, "If one person got saved from this, Suzanne would think it was worth it."

Think what was worth it, Bear? What is "this?" Do tell us, so that we understand and have more sympathy for you. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
He was probably thinking that if he gets saved from this, it will all be worth it.
 
I on the other hand think him very capable of a bloody crime scene. We can’t forget he is an avid huntsman.
I agree although idk how can we explain the bleach smells within the PP home and the hotel in Bloomfield if blood was not involved. IMO I would love for someone who hunts to advise us what if or what is necessary to dismember/dress another creature especially human remains. I am confident that someone is familiar and can relay this info. I also believe this is part of the reason AM came forward to search. IMO Andy knows a lot about these things and even more things that will eventually be disclosed to us. Hopefully optimistic! IMO
 
Pretty sure it came from Profiling Evil. It came from a hunting friend of BM's, that said he liked to listen to true crime podcasts on hunting trips. That friend told Chris that info.

That combination of 2 hobbies, him indulging at the very same time, while strolling through hunting areas, I find very suspect and extremely questionable re his character. Seems, as if he would rather like to hunt humans instead of animals. IMO
 
The Psychology and Thrill of Trophy Hunting: Is it Criminal?
Hunting for ‘sport’ is basically another way to describe the thrill of killing.” Graham Collier, Psychology Today

Dr. Mallett also writes, "Another paper has linked personality traits of some people who hunt for sport to a different 'triad' of behaviours, known ominously as the ‘dark triad’. This includes narcissism (egotistical admiration of one’s own attributes, and a lack of compassion), Machiavellianism (being deceitful, cunning and manipulative) and psychopathy (lack of remorse or empathy, and prone to impulsive behaviour).”


Dr. Mallett ends her essay as follows: “And that [the lack of hard data] means we may never know why hunters are compelled to seek animal trophies for their walls. Indeed, we might be condemned just to watch and wonder about their motive and emotional capacity.”
 
The Psychology and Thrill of Trophy Hunting: Is it Criminal?
Hunting for ‘sport’ is basically another way to describe the thrill of killing.” Graham Collier, Psychology Today

Dr. Mallett also writes, "Another paper has linked personality traits of some people who hunt for sport to a different 'triad' of behaviours, known ominously as the ‘dark triad’. This includes narcissism (egotistical admiration of one’s own attributes, and a lack of compassion), Machiavellianism (being deceitful, cunning and manipulative) and psychopathy (lack of remorse or empathy, and prone to impulsive behaviour).”


Dr. Mallett ends her essay as follows: “And that [the lack of hard data] means we may never know why hunters are compelled to seek animal trophies for their walls. Indeed, we might be condemned just to watch and wonder about their motive and emotional capacity.”
Wow ! This is eye opening !
Moo
 
The Psychology and Thrill of Trophy Hunting: Is it Criminal?
Hunting for ‘sport’ is basically another way to describe the thrill of killing.” Graham Collier, Psychology Today

Dr. Mallett also writes, "Another paper has linked personality traits of some people who hunt for sport to a different 'triad' of behaviours, known ominously as the ‘dark triad’. This includes narcissism (egotistical admiration of one’s own attributes, and a lack of compassion), Machiavellianism (being deceitful, cunning and manipulative) and psychopathy (lack of remorse or empathy, and prone to impulsive behaviour).”


Dr. Mallett ends her essay as follows: “And that [the lack of hard data] means we may never know why hunters are compelled to seek animal trophies for their walls. Indeed, we might be condemned just to watch and wonder about their motive and emotional capacity.”
Thanks for this, @FromGermany. It is quite interesting. The author of the paper that Dr. Mallett quoted sounds as if they are describing BM to a tee. I’m glad the author prefaced their statement with “some people who hunt”, because those who enjoy hunting for the sport with no nefarious personality traits would be jumping all over your post.
I live in an area where many young men and women grew up hunting, usually following a family tradition and taught by their fathers who were taught by their fathers before them. It is popular sport and considered the norm in this area.
I wonder if studies show that the majority of hunters who do exhibit the behaviors described took up hunting, not as a family or local tradition, but as someone who is drawn purely to the act of killing?
 
I agree totally with sticking to the facts. We know they found her bike and undisclosed personal items near the bike. The trail she frequented was near another trail known for backpackers coming through on a regular basis. The dogs picking up the scent of a dead body doesn't really mean anything. Dogs are wrong, often, its a fact no matter what anyone tells you. They are a tool, and something like that isn't sufficient evidence of a crime. The police closed both properties and treated them as crime scenes. Sounds like they did their job. They haven't mentioned a person of interest and honestly in my opinion, unless they find a smoking gun, I wouldn't waste my time looking at the husband. It would have to be a bomb shell of evidence. The fact that the FBI are involved tells us, they believe its an abduction. They have to have pretty significant evidence of an abduction to get the FBI involved. Its a fact that sexual predators patrol areas like that for victims, and the woman was very attractive, and athletic, and she was out there alone, near a backpacking trail. Its like the perfect opportunity. I'm guessing the personal items were clothing, like her shoes or a shirt, hell, maybe all her clothes. I know they searched the water and that would have been my next guess. In my opinion this guy is an experienced predator. It takes guts to attack someone in broad daylight. So I would look next at the sexual offender registry in the area. Considering the backpacking trail he might not be from the area. The man who people are speculating may have killed the two girls in Delphi Indiana lived in another state. But he dad, I listen to true crime and fight with my boyfriend all the time. If he ends up murdered, will I be convicted of it? I sure hope not. But this is all just my opinion based on the facts.
 
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MG has worked for BM for a while. She has also made statements about calls and texts from BM on Mother’s Day weekend. LE will be trying to verify her statements as well as his.
Allegedly BM was so ticked at MG cooperating with LE and handing over her phone that he fired her. That would seem to indicate that there was some incriminating evidence on her phone. If it had nothing to do with BM, why would he care? MOO
 
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Yep. Cadaver dogs hit at 3 different locations. I don't think even a tooth was discovered.

Respectfully snipped for focus.

IMO, LE themselves said the following to each one of those "hits", bolded below in their own press release. My takeaway, these alerts were not credible.

When you think about the breakdown, LE graciously put together for the public, this all sounds absurd with human remains all over the place. Also, these dog teams were not invited or vetted by LE and these handlers inserted themselves into an active investigation. My unpopular opinion.

The location by the Arkansas River was a focus on a PE show leading up to Andy's private search. Think it was the beach area MG talked about. A wild guess - the handlers anticipation (maybe) of that area bled through to the dog. The dog did not sound committed.

Then that same dog team goes to a second location, on private property, and alerts. What are the odds of that? Think this was the location with the tree. Meanwhile, IIRC poor Andy Mormen is a witness to this madness.

A different dog team alerts to a third location, on private property, where again LE rules out the area.
IMO

Suzanne Morphew - Chaffee County Sheriff

Also this week, members of the law enforcement task force responded to the report of human remains trained dogs “alerting” on three separate properties in Chaffee County. To clarify, none of these properties are owned by members of the Morphew family. One of the locations investigated by the task force was along the Arkansas River in the county. The dog handler used on that private property was interviewed by our team and explained that the dogs did not “alert” to anything on the property but did show interest. Our law enforcement team obtained consent from the property owner, and after further investigation, including working with the private human remains dogs on the property, it was determined this was not a viable lead in this case.

A second property near the Morphew home was also investigated after the same dog team alerted to an area on that private property. Our investigation team, immediately upon being notified, secured the scene and provided around the clock security until investigators from the Chaffee County Sheriff’s office, FBI and CBI arrived. This location of interest on the private property, with the consent of the property owner, was investigated extensively by members of the task force, and found to have no evidentiary significance to the case.

A third location was also identified in unincorporated Chaffee County near Salida on private property where a different pair of human remains dogs alerted. Also, once alerted, our team responded immediately and secured the property providing security around the clock. This morning our team, along with the FBI and CBI, and with consent of the property owner, excavated this location and once again, nothing of evidentiary value to the Suzanne Morphew case was located.
 
I agree totally with sticking to the facts. We know they found her bike and undisclosed personal items near the bike. The trail she frequented was near another trail known for backpackers coming through on a regular basis. The dogs picking up the scent of a dead body doesn't really mean anything. Dogs are wrong, often, its a fact no matter what anyone tells you. They are a tool, and something like that isn't sufficient evidence of a crime. The police closed both properties and treated them as crime scenes. Sounds like they did their job. They haven't mentioned a person of interest and honestly in my opinion, unless they find a smoking gun, I wouldn't waste my time looking at the husband. It would have to be a bomb shell of evidence. The fact that the FBI are involved tells us, they believe its an abduction. They have to have pretty significant evidence of an abduction to get the FBI involved. Its a fact that sexual predators patrol areas like that for victims, and the woman was very attractive, and athletic, and she was out there alone, near a backpacking trail. Its like the perfect opportunity. I'm guessing the personal items were clothing, like her shoes or a shirt, hell, maybe all her clothes. I know they searched the water and that would have been my next guess. In my opinion this guy is an experienced predator. It takes guts to attack someone in broad daylight. So I would look next at the sexual offender registry in the area. Considering the backpacking trail he might not be from the area. The man who people are speculating may have killed the two girls in Delphi Indiana lived in another state. But he dad, I listen to true crime and fight with my boyfriend all the time. If he ends up murdered, will I be convicted of it? I sure hope not. But this is all just my opinion based on the facts.
The man video'd in the Delphi case, lived in another state? Who else is being speculated?
 
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