Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #53

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  • #221
Yes, but was it just that it was 2:30 when the texts stopped coming from her phone? It’s still possible that BM tried to impersonate her on Saturday morning if she actually died Friday night.
I’m still on the fence about whether SM died Friday night or Saturday. However, if it is proven that SM was definitely communicating with someone in some way, shape, or form until 2:30 on Saturday afternoon, then I think this may have been a premeditated murder. Why was BM such a wreck on Saturday morning at the waterfront job site with MG? Why did he break off work early? Why was he in town shopping? It was on Saturday afternoon that he bumped into JP in Salida and asked him if he was available to work the Broomfield job. Alibi set up?
I suppose he could have left work early on Saturday, went home and got into an argument and killed her then, but it doesn’t explain his behavior that morning. Why was he working at the job site Friday night? We all watched the FBI sift through dirt at the concrete slab at that site. Did we ever see them near or examining the “beach” area? Did LE dig up that concrete slab because his GPS led them there and they knew he did the prep work for that slab? Did BM get incredibly lucky? MOO

Your insights are exceptional.

IMO, the 2:30pm time frame is when outbound communications stopped.

What would be interesting to know is what outbound communications, if any, were sent between 9am - 11:30am when BM was at the Salida site.

IMO, when information is released, we’ll see outbound communication from SM’s devices stop at 9am when BM leaves for work, then start happening again when he comes home around 11:30am. Then the communications stop at 2:30pm when BM heads to downtown Salida.

IMo, All of the Saturday communication is tied to SM’s phone being at the PP property, and BM being present to use it. It’ll be shown that communication stops when BM is not at PP.
 
  • #222
Your insights are exceptional.

IMO, the 2:30pm time frame is when outbound communications stopped.

What would be interesting to know is what outbound communications, if any, were sent between 9am - 11:30am when BM was at the Salida site.

IMO, when information is released, we’ll see outbound communication from SM’s devices stop at 9am when BM leaves for work, then start happening again when he comes home around 11:30am. Then the communications stop at 2:30pm when BM heads to downtown Salida.

IMo, All of the Saturday communication is tied to SM’s phone being at the PP property, and BM being present to use it. It’ll be shown that communication stops when BM is not at PP.
Do you think she was killed on Friday night then? Barry was using her phone the entire time on Saturday?
 
  • #223
Do you think she was killed on Friday night then? Barry was using her phone the entire time on Saturday?

That is my theory. I typed out some of my thoughts that could support that theory in the last thread.

There is, IMO, too much unusual activity from BM Friday (working at Salida property late), Saturday morning (acting unusual w/ MG, leaving work early) and Saturday afternoon (trying to be seen in town, and hooking up with JP to start creating the alibi). That and several other bits of info, make me think SM was killed Friday and that Saturday was BM’s panic/alibi/cleanup time.
 
  • #224
Was it confirmed that SM and BM were seen together, getting a sandwich, on Saturday afternoon?
I have never been able to find the actual original source or any confirmation. Maybe someone knows?
 
  • #225
WARNING - GRAPHIC DETAILS:



If I had to take a guess about the ways someone would definitely NOT dispose of a body if they were trying hard to be discreet, a wood chipper would be at the very top of my list.

Such a machine would take a single source of DNA (the body) and turn it into hundreds if not thousands of evidence fragments of DNA in the machine, as well as any "over spray" of material that missed the collection apparatus that may end up on the ground, in a tree, or just about anywhere. It would be next to impossible to collect it all in a neat, tidy way.
Just ask Richard Crafts, when he tried it.

I can only imagine then, the great lengths it would take to disassemble the machine and clean each and every piece that came in contact with the body, and then return the machine to it's owner, with the hopes you are the #1 wood chipper cleaner in the universe, and you didn't miss a single tiny bit of bio material in the machine.

jmo
Ever since watching the movie Fargo I’ve had the same thoughts!
 
  • #226
That is my theory. I typed out some of my thoughts that could support that theory in the last thread.

There is, IMO, too much unusual activity from BM Friday (working at Salida property late), Saturday morning (acting unusual w/ MG, leaving work early) and Saturday afternoon (trying to be seen in town, and hooking up with JP to start creating the alibi). That and several other bits of info, make me think SM was killed Friday and that Saturday was BM’s panic/alibi/cleanup time.
I've thought Fri. from the get-go. jmo
 
  • #227
I have never been able to find the actual original source or any confirmation. Maybe someone knows?

AM was told, by someone, and he told Dr. Phil. 4:19 spot.

 
  • #228
IMO, when information is released, we’ll see outbound communication from SM’s devices stop at 9am when BM leaves for work, then start happening again when he comes home around 11:30am. Then the communications stop at 2:30pm when BM heads to downtown Salida.
RSBM
Yes, @EggSalad! If we take into account the 2 hour time difference between IN and CO, SM’s bff probably didn’t usually text her until about 11:00 her time which would be 9:00 in CO. If SM was already dead by Saturday morning, an early morning text from her phone in reply to a text from the bff could be something innocuous like, “Can’t talk right now. I’ll catch up with you later.”
BM needs everyone to think SM was alive and well all day on Saturday so he tells MG he needs to go home and make SM happy and take her hiking or biking. He continues the facade by trying to impersonate SM with texts to her bff when he got home from the work site sometime around noon in CO or 2:00 o’clock IN time. The bff knows something is really off. When she questions it, BM tries something like “Gotta run. Talk later. The bff never hears from her again. That would be about 2:30 IN time.
If it was SM herself texting Saturday morning, I still think BM took over her phone on Saturday afternoon which would mean he likely killed her when he got home from the morning job. MOO
 
  • #229
That is my theory. I typed out some of my thoughts that could support that theory in the last thread.

There is, IMO, too much unusual activity from BM Friday (working at Salida property late), Saturday morning (acting unusual w/ MG, leaving work early) and Saturday afternoon (trying to be seen in town, and hooking up with JP to start creating the alibi). That and several other bits of info, make me think SM was killed Friday and that Saturday was BM’s panic/alibi/cleanup time.
That’s been my theory also, @EggSalad. Great minds think alike. ;)
 
  • #230
Hi, am enjoying reading your posts :)
May I ask though, do you know Suzanne at all? Its just you refer to her as Suz - and I haven't noticed anyone doing that before

Thanks
Wish I had, but no, I didn’t know her. “Suz” is one of my feeble ways of cutting out keystrokes.
 
  • #231
I don't think he did this illegally, I think MK might have meant that "lucky" BM gained legal authority over Suzanne in IN and CO where he didn't have to wait 5-7 years, as it would have in many other states. That was the impression I got, anyway.

He has guardianship over Suzanne -- slight difference. Similar to what a person goes through if they have a family member who is incapable of handling their personal business. Since they are joint owners of assets, for Barry to manage those assets he needed legal guardianship to sign on Suzanne's behalf. She has not been declared dead. In Colorado per their code, a person who is absent for a continuous period of 5 years, during which he or she has not been heard from, and whose absence is not satisfactorily explained after diligent search or inquiry, is presumed to be dead.
 
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And, although Gentile had agreed to work in that area for the day, she said Barry dismissed her from the job early – at 11 a.m.

“He said that he had to go make the wife happy – do some hiking or biking,” she said. “And I found out, like, later that day that he was in town all day.”


‘I’m not the other woman’: Second contractor speaks out about Suzanne Morphew investigation | FOX21 News Colorado
Sorry, @K9Enzo. Was typing the same thing while you posted.
 
  • #234
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That is my theory. I typed out some of my thoughts that could support that theory in the last thread.

There is, IMO, too much unusual activity from BM Friday (working at Salida property late), Saturday morning (acting unusual w/ MG, leaving work early) and Saturday afternoon (trying to be seen in town, and hooking up with JP to start creating the alibi). That and several other bits of info, make me think SM was killed Friday and that Saturday was BM’s panic/alibi/cleanup time.

Does anyone know the last time SM was seen up close and personal by anyone well-acquainted enough to be certain it was SM other than BM? By up close and personal, I mean physically in person or visually close "face to face" on FaceTime, Zoom, Skype, or some such application?

My recollection is that the girls left for camp on Wed, May 6 and that on Thursday, May 7, BM called the Indiana contractor to whom he was subcontracted to inform them he was going to have a crew in Broomfield on Monday, May 11 to rework the wall he'd (or as BM would put it, his worker had) built incorrectly there.

So were the girls on May 6 the last other than BM to see SM alive in person?

I thought I had vaguely remembered some posts about SM visiting a bike shop in Salida sometime that week, but I cannot locate those posts or find anything in the media thread mentioning such a visit. Does anyone else remember such? And if so, do they remember where that information came from?

ETA: I believe Wed, 5/6 was also the day a woman who was cleaning a local vacation rental saw BM and SM walking on Puma Path.
 
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  • #235
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Does anyone know the last time SM was seen up close and personal by anyone well-acquainted enough to be certain it was SM other than BM? By up close and personal, I mean physically in person or visually close "face to face" on FaceTime, Zoom, Skype, or some such application?

My recollection is that the girls left for camp on Wed, May 6 and that on Thursday, May 7, BM called the Indiana contractor to whom he was subcontracted to inform them he was going to have a crew in Broomfield on Monday, May 11 to rework the wall he'd (or as BM would put it, his worker had) built incorrectly there.

So were the girls on May 6 the last other than BM to see SM alive in person?

I thought I had vaguely remembered some posts about SM visiting a bike shop in Salida sometime that week, but I cannot locate those posts or find anything in the media thread mentioning such a visit. Does anyone else remember such? And if so, do they remember where that information came from?

ETA: I believe Wed, 5/6 was also the day a woman who was cleaning a local vacation rental saw BM and SM walking on Puma Path.
You are correct. The notes I have state the following:
Wed 5/6 Housecleaner spoke to both when she was emptying trash at the neighborhood dumpster on Puma Path
Thursday 5/7 SM allegedly went to Scott the bike repair guy in Salida
Friday 5/8 Picked up a pizza in Salida - unconfirmed
Saturday 5/9 Had lunch with BM in Salida - unconfirmed
Sunday 5/10 BM states he left her sleeping at 5:00 a.m. - unconfirmed
I think LE asked for video footage from 5/8 because that was the last confirmed sighting of SM. I think they asked for anything up to 5/12 because they wanted to see what BM was up to in the days following SM’s disappearance, (aside from going through the trash at the Poncha Market on the evening of 5/12).
MOO
 
  • #236
Search Warrant for Others' Properties?
That is my biggest fear, she is on private property and Barry knows they need a search warrant.
MOO
@Rachelj1 LE needs S/W to search on BM's prop/land imo. See 1. below.
As to LE searching prop of others, not agreeing w ^ post.
Briefly if LE asks for consent, & owner gives it, no S/W is needed. LE can search. ETA Evd collected is admissible.

Not so briefly.
Fourth Amendment* to US Constitution prohibits Unreasonable Search & seizure. When LE collects evd in violation of a defendant's 4th A. rights, it is not admissible against him.
Speaking gen'ly not to this case specifically:
1. LE can ask an owner for consent to search his land/prop. If he gives consent & is later charged w crime, say homicide, his def attorney would (almost certainly) argue - LE threatened & coerced him or tricked him into consenting to search, even if he gave gave consent & signed form.
A common defense atty objection - Judge, do not allow prosecutor to enter into evd any items [say, gun, knife, bloody clothing, cooler, human remains, etc.] LE located. Says - He did not voluntarily give consent; he only signed because LE threatened & coerced him. Says - The search violated his 4th Amendment rights against unreasonable search because there was no warrant. Argues - Any items gathered from his prop should be excluded.**
That is why LE often secures a search warrant - even if prop owner gives consent - before searching prop of someone LE has not yet even named as a PoI or suspect. LE does not want to have evd excluded at trial.

2. If LE wants to search prop/land owned by someone who is not a PoI or suspect, w no known connection w the crime/homicide, then LE may simply ask owner to consent.
a)
If owner gives consent, LE may conduct a search there and collect evd which is (likely) admissible against def. A defense atty argument to exclude the evd on grounds of 4th Amendment violation fails. Why? Def's constitutional right against unreasonable search & seizure is not violated by LE searching someone else's prop.
b) If owner does not consent, then yes, LE needs to provide judge w probable cause for S/W to be issued.

Back to this case. If LE searches privately owned land (other than BM's prop) pursuant to owner's consent, imo any incriminating items located would not be ruled inadmissible based on def atty's claim of 4th A. violation of def's rights. my2ct.

Welcoming comment, clarification, correction, esp'ly from our legal professionals.
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* "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[2]" bbm
Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Fourth Amendment
** Exclusionary rule
 
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RSBM
Yes, @EggSalad! If we take into account the 2 hour time difference between IN and CO, SM’s bff probably didn’t usually text her until about 11:00 her time which would be 9:00 in CO. If SM was already dead by Saturday morning, an early morning text from her phone in reply to a text from the bff could be something innocuous like, “Can’t talk right now. I’ll catch up with you later.”
BM needs everyone to think SM was alive and well all day on Saturday so he tells MG he needs to go home and make SM happy and take her hiking or biking. He continues the facade by trying to impersonate SM with texts to her bff when he got home from the work site sometime around noon in CO or 2:00 o’clock IN time. The bff knows something is really off. When she questions it, BM tries something like “Gotta run. Talk later. The bff never hears from her again. That would be about 2:30 IN time.
If it was SM herself texting Saturday morning, I still think BM took over her phone on Saturday afternoon which would mean he likely killed her when he got home from the morning job. MOO

In my opinion it very difficult to text like "someone else" with no immediate detection, so it will be interesting to see if the speculation about Barry texting on "behalf" of Suzanne becomes fact.
 
  • #238
In my opinion it very difficult to text like "someone else" with no immediate detection, so it will be interesting to see if the speculation about Barry texting on "behalf" of Suzanne becomes fact.
I agree with you on this. I feel like her best friend would know if it really wasn’t Suzanne? There is no way my husband and we’ve been married for a really long time LOL, but he would not be able to pull off the type of texting I do with my close friends friends.
With that said though I’m still open to the fact that he could’ve killed her on Friday night. I really really think it was Saturday night but I could be wrong
Moo
 
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  • #239
You are correct. The notes I have state the following:
Wed 5/6 Housecleaner spoke to both when she was emptying trash at the neighborhood dumpster on Puma Path
Thursday 5/7 SM allegedly went to Scott the bike repair guy in Salida
Friday 5/8 Picked up a pizza in Salida - unconfirmed
Saturday 5/9 Had lunch with BM in Salida - unconfirmed
Sunday 5/10 BM states he left her sleeping at 5:00 a.m. - unconfirmed
I think LE asked for video footage from 5/8 because that was the last confirmed sighting of SM. I think they asked for anything up to 5/12 because they wanted to see what BM was up to in the days following SM’s disappearance, (aside from going through the trash at the Poncha Market on the evening of 5/12).
MOO
I don't think it was ever confirmed that he was "going through" trash. I'd have to go back and read the employee's statement. I believe it was Nancy Grace who "implied" that he was going through trash but for me this is inconsequential whether he grabbed something to write on from the trash or he was "digging" in the trash can out front by the door. To me it wasn't particularly suspicious for someone including Barry to be asking stores if they had seen Suzanne 2 days after she disappeared. If anything that would be fairly "normal" behavior even if he turns out to be guilty and it was a "front" of what he perceived as normal behavior.
 
  • #240
At this late late date, which would probably be impossible I wonder if LE FBI and CBI checked out an abduction? She could even be alive somewhere! Think Jamie Closs, her abductor outsmarted LE and the FBI.
 
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