CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #2

[alwaysonmymind]

We had been discussing time of death and I found this in the comment section-

the pathologist that did the autopsy said between midnight and 5:30 am when I found her but I don’t think he really knows.

 

[keeponsearching]

I think it would be really tough to break fake nails. The one time I had them done, I spent the next day working at getting those horrible things off my nails. I found it extremely hard to just clip them.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I wonder what the heck motives would be, and if Toni already suspects it. I have not heard of H.

Right?? Did you see Toni ask the person for more information via the tip line? I hope the person follows up with her.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

In one of her blog comments (maybe it was Sept 11th) mom replies to a commenter that there were more equally disturbing chemical compounds found in the autopsy other than the ones discussed (flexeril & amy) but they (the coroner/medical examiner) ran out of sample. Mom seemed to have mixed emotions that some of the tests were inconclusive, yet she writes she wasn't notified that more tests were being done. She is finding out now that additional tests can never be done. I assume because of her decision to cremate.

Actually, there's hair samples, toothbrush samples, nail clipping samples, touch DNA samples, clothing analysis, vacuuming the room's rugs, etc...that might be able to be done forensically but I'm not sure when it would all end....no matter what the findings are???

I think a very important area to explore in detail is the conversation between M and her father S which is the last conversation M had with anyone before she passed away. Preferably, have it come from S directly; the way it was said and the tone of the conversation.

I feel bad for this mom who obviously has been wracking herself with questions and shoulda-coulda-wouldas. For her, the grieving process is put on hold while she tries to make sense of things and nothing for her is making sense. Very sad indeed.

 

[concernedmother]

I think it would be really tough to break fake nails. The one time I had them done, I spent the next day working at getting those horrible things off my nails. I found it extremely hard to just clip them.

Jel nails is applied to your real nails but makes them harder. Wont break as easy. I have acrylic nails at the moment and you'd have to rip a finger off to get them suckers off. And the perp if you had a chance would have some awesome claw marks or an eye poked out. (great weapons).
If hers broke she may have just had a french manicure on her own nails or jel nails.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

"Elliott sent me back a text with all his contact information and reminded me if anything happens, and Morgan gets scared she can always call him, or come over to their house where he had showed me where they hide the front door key.* I don’t know why, but I was getting that really strange gut feeling that this somehow sounded wrong"

http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=951

Ok thanks TripleE.
E offered that to M through M's mom but M never took him up on it. However, I think I remember the mom briefly going over his house, correct?

 

[MayraMM]

1. MI seems very, very immature for her age. She was still living at home, and the mother, thus far, hasn't mentioned anything about her having plans of leaving.

I agree. If my daughter was living with us during her college years, the last thing I would do is purchase her a dog. Not only is that a HUGE responsibility, but time-consuming as well, and doesn't fit in real well with a full-time student and a 19-20 yr. old's nightlife/social calendar. Not to mention it is an approx. 15 YEAR commitment, and extremely limiting to a student who may be considering an apartment/dorm in the future.

I would understand the whole dog thing a little more if it was a family gift, and they just chose a breed that Morgan had a special affinity for. But, by the mother's account, it was Morgan's puppy, it was a gift for her, and she was the primary owner.

M's immaturity could have been from the CO poisoning. The pathologist stated that it was a chronic poisoning and that the hyperbaric treatments help alleviated some of the symptoms. He listed cognitive problems as one of her symptoms. In CO poisoning, the danger is in hypoxia; not enough blood getting to the brain. A severe and/or chronic exposure could cause brain damage and cognitive impairment. So her being immature could be a combination of residual sequela from the CO poisoning, coupled with an over protective family who almost lost her once already.

 

[rollinginit]

I don't find M to be young for her age. She was in school, and living at home. Which makes more sense. We don't know if they already discussed what to do with the dog, if M decided to go live on campus. Not only that, she might not be the partying type. To me she seem to be into art. And to be honest 19 is still very young. I wished I would of stayed home then. Oh and they did just loose a previous dog, most people do run out and buy a new one to cope with the pain.

Do we know if and where M worked?

I don't find M to be immature for her age either. My daughter is 20. She works and goes to school......and still lives at home. College is expensive enough as it is, so to save money, she still lives here. During my daughter's off time...she spends that time reading. She text me all the time. Believe it or not, I have a curfew for her too.

Actually I call my daughter "an old soul" That's how I think M is.
The fact that M didn't have a job is not unusual for college kids. I know my daughter struggles sometimes keeping up with her grades plus working full time. It doesn't say ballet is the ONLY classes she was talking. The blog just mentions that she took ballet classes.

JMO

 

[TripleE]

Ok thanks TripleE.
E offered that to M through M's mom but M never took him up on it. However, I think I remember the mom briefly going over his house, correct?

BBM
Yes, she went over there to show him the deer cam pic, I believe.

 

[TripleE]

For those questioning why she was not in school full time...

"Morgan had completed 2 years of college with an AA degree from Colorado Mountain College. As she watched her older relatives and friends struggling to find work, despite their college degrees, Morgan was deciding to delay her transfer to CU Boulder and take a yoga teaching certification program, as a back up. She was then going to go on to complete her last 2 years of college, earn her Bachelor’s Degree, then take the LSAT’s to get into Law School."

http://morganingram.com/life.html

 

[alwaysonmymind]

M's immaturity could have been from the CO poisoning. The pathologist stated that it was a chronic poisoning and that the hyperbaric treatments help alleviated some of the symptoms. He listed cognitive problems as one of her symptoms. In CO poisoning, the danger is in hypoxia; not enough blood getting to the brain. A severe and/or chronic exposure could cause brain damage and cognitive impairment. So her being immature could be a combination of residual sequela from the CO poisoning, coupled with an over protective family who almost lost her once already.

Thanks for this. I did note that one of Morgan's UCLA doctors is a pediatric neurologist and neuroscientist with particular expertise in developmental brain injury.

 

[MayraMM]

I think a very important area to explore in detail is the conversation between M and her father S which is the last conversation M had with anyone before she passed away. Preferably, have it come from S directly; the way it was said and the tone of the conversation.

I agree. The conversation was enough to leave him in tears, and that's the last conversation he ever had with her; it's bound to be important. She may have expressed her wishes not to go on anymore. If she was talking like that, then she was suicidal, despite what mom thinks. I wish he would speak up about it one way or another.

 

[21merc7]

Mom has just posted you can click the bubble with the numbers in it to read the comments.

http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=1172

 

[wyome]

M's immaturity could have been from the CO poisoning. The pathologist stated that it was a chronic poisoning and that the hyperbaric treatments help alleviated some of the symptoms. He listed cognitive problems as one of her symptoms. In CO poisoning, the danger is in hypoxia; not enough blood getting to the brain. A severe and/or chronic exposure could cause brain damage and cognitive impairment. So her being immature could be a combination of residual sequela from the CO poisoning, coupled with an over protective family who almost lost her once already.

Thanks for this, those are excellents points. Whereby I thought the purchase of a dog for a college-aged student was a strange one (jmo), I don't necessarily think that Morgan was immature. The only thing we really have are her texts, which her mother lovingly provides. Texting seems to be a language all its own, and I've seen older adults respond similarly in texts.

She seems to be quite normal in regards to age, in fact. Although she lived at home, she was quite often off with friends, particularly in the evening, according to mom's posts.

 

[txsvicki]

I wonder if Morgan's folks had her computer or phone texting checked out. I had a problem with my daughter at age 19 talking to local guys online that she didn't even know. Just because she wasn't harassed online doesn't mean she never met someone in that way.

 

[rollinginit]

Didn't know if anybody has seen this arrest

http://www.postindependent.com/article/20120827/VALLEYNEWS/120829908

 

[ScotsPaddy]

"Harassment, criminal mischief: At 7:55 p.m. on Aug. 17, deputies responded to a domestic violence incident occurring in the 100 block of Corral Drive outside of Carbondale. Brook Nicole Harris, 18, of Carbondale, was issued a summons for harassment, domestic violence and criminal mischief."

That what you were on about?.

 

[igotmywings]

It seems they had some kind of issues going on before the walking out took place. To the young this would certain set anger flaming even worse than it clearly already was.

Whatever the beef, I'm certain Morgan hanging out at CA's house all the time did not help B's feelings. Probably added a lot of jealousy to the mix.

The mother says that B and Morgan had no bad beef at all according to blog comments.
Buut then again B could have had a beef with Morgan and her not know about it. But I know personally I would be PEEVED if someone walked into the room saw I was there and walked out.

And I must say YAY for my first post here on WS I am so excited to FINALLY have an account not have to just read!!!

 

[rollinginit]

Welcome igotmywings!!!!!!

 

[Mogwai]

M's immaturity could have been from the CO poisoning. The pathologist stated that it was a chronic poisoning and that the hyperbaric treatments help alleviated some of the symptoms. He listed cognitive problems as one of her symptoms. In CO poisoning, the danger is in hypoxia; not enough blood getting to the brain. A severe and/or chronic exposure could cause brain damage and cognitive impairment. So her being immature could be a combination of residual sequela from the CO poisoning, coupled with an over protective family who almost lost her once already.

My problem with this is that this is a report by a pathologist. He did not see her, nor treat her, for the alleged CO poisoning. I do not believe the pathologist would obtain all of her prior records, he most likely went on verbal histories given by the parents.

I don't see any medical records that confirm she actually had CO poisoning, just "suspected." This word, "suspected," leads me to believe that they found no conclusive evidence of CO poisoning, but treated her for it as a precaution.