Discussion thread for Jodi Arias Journals

[Love Never Fails]

Nurmi went with the wrong defense in the original trial. Even there was no way to get out of premeditated murder, if he had left out the pedophile crap and focused on Jodi's mental problems and Travis' "abuse", I think she would have gotten "life". She will probably get "life" again. Her disorder explain some of her behavior, too bad there's nothing to explain away her aunt and supporters' wickedness.

I agree about Nurmi but he has nothing. Jodi never showed remorse, ever. You can't do anything with someone like her. I doubt the majority of the jurors would ever feel anything like sorrow or pity for her. First she premeditated a murder and then tried to cover her tracks and when she goes to trial, she has no remorse. You cannot explain that away. If she gets life, it will be because of the lone hold out on the jury. I am not buying anything she wrote in her journals. Any sadistic, twisted psycho can write things any way they want to. Her actions proved what she is.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Oh....and let us not forget, he probably took a stolen DVD player from Jodi.

I wonder how many other waitresses that worked under him, he bumped with.

Yes and I am sure some people have harassed him in a way because defending her makes him look extremely weird...and whipped. But he is not all there. He is creepy all by himself.

 

[janx]

Jank, she isn't comparing her posts to Elizabeth Bennet. I was comparing her references and the demeanour she is trying to adapt to exactly that period though. It clashes starkly with the reality of her life.

Understood! :seeya:

 

[TexMex]

Nurmi went with the wrong defense in the original trial. Even though there was no way to get out of premeditated murder, if he had left out the pedophile crap and focused on Jodi's mental problems and Travis' "abuse", I think she would have gotten "life". She will probably get "life" again. Her disorder explains some of her behavior, too bad there's nothing to explain away her aunt and supporters' wickedness.

That's one reason he kept asking to get off the case and Jodi kept asking he be dismissed. They disagreed on the defense strategy

 

[Bernina]

TA journal entries http://karasoncrime.com/jodis-journals/volume-6/:

Page 11, Vol. 6

4-15-2008 (Tax Day)

"The good news I got an email today saying I qualified for the Cancun trip."

4-17-2008

"I need to find out when I have to make the Cancun decision."

Page 14:

4-29-2008

"The better news is I asked her (Mimi) to go to Cancun with me today, she said yes,......."

Page 18:

5-29-2008

"Later, Mimi came over, we discussed Cancun. We discussed the whole "friends" thing. I don't really care. It is what it is."

Call me confused but didn't CMJA say Travis knew he was going on the Cancun trip while they were still dating? (Feb.-June 2007) And I didn't read anything from his journal that implied he told CMJA or asked CMJA if she wanted to go (she was out of Arizona by 4-9-2008). Travis had about 6 weeks from the time he knew he qualified, getting a friend lined up to go with him, and getting on the plane.

Anyone want to hunt down CMJA's journal entries for that time period?

CMJA Journal entries: http://karasoncrime.com/jodis-journals/last-journal/

Page 3, JA's Last Journal:

5-18-2008

"Travis was tentatively planning to come and see me, but now it's been pushed back to the beginning of June."

Page 5:

5-22-2008

"Sad news: I finally had "the conversation" w/Travis, and it did not go well.............."
"He got offended and upset, then acted distant............(cont. on page 6)

Page 6-13:

( gah.....more of CMJA's self serving blather, scandalous sex texts on stolen phone, sex recordings, booty calls, changing their passwords)

"And Travis said he's still certain he wants to marry Mimi, although they're not yet dating."

Page 17-21:

5-26-2008

CMJA "cracks" and leaves TA voice mail. Phone Tag. Phone Sex. Little Red Riding Hood. TA accuses CMJA of tire slashing and Facebook hacking.

Page 22:

5-27-2008

Ryan texts back and CMJA has Tuesday-Thursday off (June 3, 4, & 5)

Page 28:

6-1-2008

Travis likes Mimi "a ton". More I love TA but we can't stop being physical and he worships the ground I walk on kind of carp. Bi-polar

Page 30

"At least he's found his "the one"! (referring to Mimi) More TA is soooo into me, but he's sooooo bi-polar.

Does anyone know if CMJA ever mentioned Cancun before the murder? Or Mimi going with him?

Got to walk away from this right now.......gets a bit twisted,:scared:

 

[Katharine]

I did not know Daryl would not allow his son alone with Jodi. :waitasec:

I could be totally wrong. I have read that several times on other threads. I apologize for making that a fact without a source.

 

[tcrockett]

I was also surprised to learn (or relearn) that Jodi had gone to Travis' house while she was in town for the memorial service.

 

[tcrockett]

Good point. All I can say with certainty is that on 3/18/08 Travis writes that many things have gone missing recently. He names his iPod, his roommates camera, the ring and his journals among the things missing.

In Det Flores report about the crime (http://cdn-static.wildabouttrial.co.../02/Detective-Flores-Investigation-Report.pdf) he lists the possibility that Jodi had stolen the journals''

I had never read this before. Lots of good info

 

[Madeleine74]

There's been speculation that somehow Jodi got in the way of Mimi & Travis' dating/romance but as I recall from Mimi's testimony on the stand, she never had romantic feelings towards Travis nor was she attracted to him and thus there was nothing to "get in the way of," as far as Mimi was concerned. TA was in the 'friend zone' for her and he wasn't going to be anything else.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

There's been speculation that somehow Jodi got in the way of Mimi & Travis' dating/romance but as I recall from Mimi's testimony on the stand, she never had romantic feelings towards Travis nor was she attracted to him and thus there was nothing to "get in the way of," as far as Mimi was concerned. TA was in the 'friend zone' for her and he wasn't going to be anything else.

Jodi seems to have been chasing a man who wasn't interested in her while he chased women who weren't interested in him.

 

[Bernina]

Jodi seems to have been chasing a man who wasn't interested in her while he chased women who weren't interested in him.

There's been speculation that somehow Jodi got in the way of Mimi & Travis' dating/romance but as I recall from Mimi's testimony on the stand, she never had romantic feelings towards Travis nor was she attracted to him and thus there was nothing to "get in the way of," as far as Mimi was concerned. TA was in the 'friend zone' for her and he wasn't going to be anything else.

In the few pages that BK had of Travis' journal (the one he used when his regular journal "disappeared) he's really regretful about Lisa breaking it off<-----she was the one that got the nasty email about "whoredom", the mysterious door knocker, and had her tires slashed along with Travis, he also writes that CMJA gets "in the way" as far as any relationship. Mimi and Lisa hung out together at Church functions, they probably exchanged "notes".

The LDS church puts a tremendous amount of pressure on young adults to get married. Travis was "OLD", he wasn't married, and the chances of finding someone close to his age were getting smaller and smaller. Even LDS women aren't too hot about hooking up with someone 8 or 10 years older than them and let's face it.......at 25 years old, LDS women are looked at like something's wrong with them. I know 2 young women who were in my Sunday School/MIA age group, that went on missions because they hadn't landed a husband by 21 years of age.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Wow, simply wow!! I wish I had your gift of words to adequately describe what I felt and thought when I read what you had written. I was hoping that someone out there would give us perceptions and analysis from the Borderline Personality Disorder diagnosis based only as observed in her journal writing.

For me, I am left wondering why the manifestations of her psychological make up took so long to appear if this makes any sense. What happened during the Bobby, Matt, and Darryl phases? Or is it because as someone else noted, Jodi was struggling to keep these emotions at bay? Darryl may have been older but perhaps he out of the 4 due to personal experience and gained maturity was able to keep her "in check" or "handle her" so to speak. Darryl may have "known" her extreme limitations and her obvious profound lack of maturity for her age. This illogical immaturity could be one of the several reasons he preferred that his own son not be alone with her.

Or would there have been a future point in time where this type of rage would have appeared even with Darryl? In other words, was Jodi a ticking time bomb that eventually would explode no matter who that person might be? Yet it appears that everything had to be in a certain alignment in her particular situation or am I not understanding this psychopathy as it relates to her?

I so agree with all 9 points that you have shared. You summarized completely and succinctly who Jodi was (and still is). I do appreciate that we all are allowed this forum to express our opinions or how we feel. The discussions assist me in the "figuring out" process of what is so baffling to "normal" minds. And we will still be left with so many mysteries to this case that will never be solved. Thank you!!! (IMO)

So this was after the PPL and then Travis?

24:42
JA: Well I had a nervous breakdown when a boyfriend and I were arguing once and umm and he began to argue with me in a way that was totally different from how we had ever argued before, and he was just like, and every time I would say something he was like &#8220;Blah&#8230;Blah,&#8221; you know, it was kind of weird like, every time I tried to formulate a thought and I was just sad and I was crying, every time I tried to formulate a thought he would interject and then twist it and it was like the weirdest psychological thing that had ever happened, and the way I reacted was, I went into my room, this was the guy I bought a house with, I went into my room and shut the door. We had separate bedrooms, and I was in his room and went down the hall into my room and shut the door and I just remember hyperventilating, and that&#8217;s all. I don&#8217;t know. I was crying, and then umm&#8230;I went to get something out of my car and when he saw that, he umm&#8230; maybe thought I was going to leave, so he asked me for the key to his truck and pulled behind my car, because he thought that because I was upset that I shouldn&#8217;t be driving anywhere. That I&#8217;m nuts&#8230;Other than arguments, no anger issues &#8211; none I can remember.


and her remark about something happening in 1998-1999 when she was with Bobby J.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

TA journal entries http://karasoncrime.com/jodis-journals/volume-6/:

Page 11, Vol. 6

4-15-2008 (Tax Day)

"The good news I got an email today saying I qualified for the Cancun trip."

4-17-2008

"I need to find out when I have to make the Cancun decision."

Page 14:

4-29-2008

"The better news is I asked her (Mimi) to go to Cancun with me today, she said yes,......."

Page 18:

5-29-2008

"Later, Mimi came over, we discussed Cancun. We discussed the whole "friends" thing. I don't really care. It is what it is."

Call me confused but didn't CMJA say Travis knew he was going on the Cancun trip while they were still dating? (Feb.-June 2007) And I didn't read anything from his journal that implied he told CMJA or asked CMJA if she wanted to go (she was out of Arizona by 4-9-2008). Travis had about 6 weeks from the time he knew he qualified, getting a friend lined up to go with him, and getting on the plane.

Anyone want to hunt down CMJA's journal entries for that time period?

CMJA Journal entries: http://karasoncrime.com/jodis-journals/last-journal/

Page 3, JA's Last Journal:

5-18-2008

"Travis was tentatively planning to come and see me, but now it's been pushed back to the beginning of June."

Page 5:

5-22-2008

"Sad news: I finally had "the conversation" w/Travis, and it did not go well.............."
"He got offended and upset, then acted distant............(cont. on page 6)

Page 6-13:

( gah.....more of CMJA's self serving blather, scandalous sex texts on stolen phone, sex recordings, booty calls, changing their passwords)

"And Travis said he's still certain he wants to marry Mimi, although they're not yet dating."

Page 17-21:

5-26-2008

CMJA "cracks" and leaves TA voice mail. Phone Tag. Phone Sex. Little Red Riding Hood. TA accuses CMJA of tire slashing and Facebook hacking.

Page 22:

5-27-2008

Ryan texts back and CMJA has Tuesday-Thursday off (June 3, 4, & 5)

Page 28:

6-1-2008

Travis likes Mimi "a ton". More I love TA but we can't stop being physical and he worships the ground I walk on kind of carp. Bi-polar

Page 30

"At least he's found his "the one"! (referring to Mimi) More TA is soooo into me, but he's sooooo bi-polar.

Does anyone know if CMJA ever mentioned Cancun before the murder? Or Mimi going with him?

Got to walk away from this right now.......gets a bit twisted,:scared:

She's brings it up in the sex cell phone call, along with wanting Travis to come to Yreka the weekend of the 24th, and maybe coming after that. I'm trying to recall correctly because I don't want to go listen to her caterwauling again. She does tell Travis that he'd never be sexual satisfied with a "vanilla" Mormon, and she was there all kinky and freaky.

 

[mydirtysecret]

So this was after the PPL and then Travis?

24:42
JA: Well I had a nervous breakdown when a boyfriend and I were arguing once and umm and he began to argue with me in a way that was totally different from how we had ever argued before, and he was just like, and every time I would say something he was like &#8220;Blah&#8230;Blah,&#8221; you know, it was kind of weird like, every time I tried to formulate a thought and I was just sad and I was crying, every time I tried to formulate a thought he would interject and then twist it and it was like the weirdest psychological thing that had ever happened, and the way I reacted was, I went into my room, this was the guy I bought a house with, I went into my room and shut the door. We had separate bedrooms, and I was in his room and went down the hall into my room and shut the door and I just remember hyperventilating, and that&#8217;s all. I don&#8217;t know. I was crying, and then umm&#8230;I went to get something out of my car and when he saw that, he umm&#8230; maybe thought I was going to leave, so he asked me for the key to his truck and pulled behind my car, because he thought that because I was upset that I shouldn&#8217;t be driving anywhere. That I&#8217;m nuts&#8230;Other than arguments, no anger issues &#8211; none I can remember.


and her remark about something happening in 1998-1999 when she was with Bobby J.

When people question or even point to the fact jodis exes are still alive, you don't need to look Any further than at the actual murder of travis. Each stab wound was her letting out all the rage,disappointment, hurt, betrayal, abandonment she felt at the hands of all the men in her life she had been harboring for a decade. Once she took those 11 minutes to work up the nerve to stab a human being let alone the man she wanted to marry and have children with, all of those deep seeded hatred and emotions poured out of her like a flood gate being released. Db, mm and others should thank their lucky stars every single night she was able to keep those feelings at bay for so long

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Interview with DB




B]Darryl Brewer:
It's important that they know, and it's important that this change happened within Jodi within a year and a half from the time that I left her and from the time that she was accused of this crime.[/B]



B]Darryl Brewer:
The jury needs to know that she didn't go from one abusive relationship to another. Our relationship was not abusive. Emotionaly, physically, sexually - none of that. And I don't know what happened to her in that last year and a half. But something changed radically. I watched the change before my very eyes, as she got more and more irresponsbile, as she talked more and more magically about the riches that she would get through working with Prepaid Legal Program. And then she was unable to pay her bills and when I asked her for the money she'd tell me not to talk negative to her, that we had to keep things positive.




Bill and Sandy said Jodi started having some strong mood swings the last year and a half. Darryl also says it.

Darryl left her in December 2006. She'd met Travis and added a new religion by then and then they began "officially" dating February 2, 2007 and broke up June 29th. From June 2008 back a year and a half would be in this time frame.

Jodi's the one that brought up her journals and pointed out where they were, how many there were, and the time frame of them being from when she moved Mesa up until a few days ago. Why point them out?

 

[mydirtysecret]

Interview with DB




B]Darryl Brewer:
It's important that they know, and it's important that this change happened within Jodi within a year and a half from the time that I left her and from the time that she was accused of this crime.[/B]



B]Darryl Brewer:
The jury needs to know that she didn't go from one abusive relationship to another. Our relationship was not abusive. Emotionaly, physically, sexually - none of that. And I don't know what happened to her in that last year and a half. But something changed radically. I watched the change before my very eyes, as she got more and more irresponsbile, as she talked more and more magically about the riches that she would get through working with Prepaid Legal Program. And then she was unable to pay her bills and when I asked her for the money she'd tell me not to talk negative to her, that we had to keep things positive.




Bill and Sandy said Jodi started having some strong mood swings the last year and a half. Darryl also says it.

Darryl left her in December 2006. She'd met Travis and added a new religion by then and then they began "officially" dating February 2, 2007 and broke up June 29th. From June 2008 back a year and a half would be in this time frame.

Jodi's the one that brought up her journals and pointed out where they were, how many there were, and the time frame of them being from when she moved Mesa up until a few days ago. Why point them out?

For those reasons you just pointed out, I have doubts to the sincerity of the entire sets of journals. She's been journaling since she was 14 according to ALV but only these journals were given. I think it's much more likely she kept two sets of journals. One for only her, and the journal for others to read.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

This is why I couldn't sign up as well, no PayPal and no option to use my Visa. Really sucks to be missing out on the site.

For those who don't have a PayPal account because you don't want them to have a connection to your bank account, you might find more peace of mind to use a completely separate bank just for PayPal or other smaller, misc purchasing. I have a free checking account via a credit union and I only keep about $300-$400 max in it; every now and then I transfer $100-$150 from it to my PP account. My main bank account is at a different bank. It gives me a little more peace of mind about using PP. With banking apps so prevalent now, it's very easy to write a check to yourself from your main bank account, and then deposit to your smaller bank account it by way of your cellphone or tablet; you don't even have to leave your chair other than to get up to get what's needed for the deposit (pen, checkbook, phone/tablet).

Also, although it apparently does not apply to BK's site, you can get an pseudo credit card from PayPal for sites that do accept credit cards, but not PP. That way, instead of having to log into PP as part of your transaction, you can just use the pseudo credit card number, expiration and 3-digit code; it takes the money for it from your PP account just as if you had logged in. They use a major CC brand, so there's no problem with sites accepting it.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

I just signed up for BK's site. Her SITE told me that the PP transaction had failed, but when I immediately logged into the PP account, it showed that the transaction had succeeded. When I checked my email, there was a welcome msg with login info, so the immediate denial of the transaction was erroneous. I only mention this because if you already have PP and want to use it for BK's site, that particular error message appears to be a burp, not a biggie.

The first thing I read was JA's letter to Ryan Burns. I love the way she finished the letter by saying he had enriched her life by her being able to share a small piece of it. LOL! I'm guessing he (and some others reading it) silently added "with some fava beans and a nice chianti".

 

[Madeleine74]

I believe, regardless of what stories Mimi may have been told by Lisa or others, she simply was not attracted to Travis and that spark/chemistry that's required for both people just wasn't there for her. She said as much during her testimony. I think him going after Mimi was wasted time as she didn't reciprocate his attraction. Ironically, him inviting Mimi to Cancun may have been part of the reason for his murder (though certainly not his fault), but friends is all Travis & Mimi were ever going to be, though Arias didn't know that at the time. Her writing about Mimi in her journals proves she didn't understand the real nature of TA's & Mimi's relationship. Though he aspired to marry Mimi or someone just like her, Mimi was not on board with that plan at all.

Lisa & Travis appeared to be mutually attracted so he wasn't going after someone unavailable there, but she wasn't ready and too much drama happened.

 

[TexMex]

06/30/08

Jodi meets a "mentally challenged yet sweet and kind" girl at a family party. Tells her journal that "something about her, I think it was in her eyes, bore a striking resemblance to MiMi Hall"