UK Eliza & Henrietta Huszti, sisters both 32, CCTV captures them near a river at 2am, Aberdeen, 7 Jan 2025 #2

[Trebor5591]

"Mental health" services can't always solve people's problems. There seems to be an assumption that everything can be cured or treated, but in some cases unhappiness or despair is so extreme that a person simply wants to stop living.

This makes me wonder. What was it that they found?

Six clues that could help cops find missing twin sisters after fresh sighting

Eliza and Henrietta Huszti, both aged 32, were last seen on CCTV walking through Aberdeen in the early hours of January 7 and now the search for them has entered an 11th day

www.mirror.co.uk

From the article:​

Screams heard by residents​

There have been claims that Aberdeen residents heard screams around the time the pair are thought to have gone missing, although detectives don’t think anyone is involved in their disappearance and are not treating it as suspicious.

 

[TonnnnUK]

Does anyone know about the technicalities of being able to divulge information from a person's phone when that phone can't be located.

We know one of their phones was left at the property so the police can look at that, search histories etc.

Would that activity from the other phone be able to be tracked without having the physical device?

Google search histories etc. Can the police request such info from Google if they know the sister had an account?

Of course you can use Google without being logged in, so I assume they could only track that if they had the device the Google search was done on?

 

[branmuffin]

Other thing is that this was a relatively new job. Wonder what she was doing before?

Why would someone get annual leave if they'd only been working for a short period of time. Usually, leave is accumulated by how many months you've worked. It does in Canada if you are a regular employee. If you are part time you get a percentage of your earnings added to your salary and no vacation credits.

 

[davidt]

Why would someone get annual leave if they'd only been working for a short period of time. Usually, leave is accumulated by how many months you've worked. It does in Canada if you are a regular employee. If you are part time you get a percentage of your earnings added to your salary and no vacation credits.

She'd worked there 8 months so will have accrued 8/12 of her annual leave entitlement less any leave already taken.

 

[Doric Loon]

I spotted that the Hungarian equivalent of the Daily Mail/Sun has compared it to another missing person that ended up in a river in Budapest, French student Ophélie Bretnacher in 2008.

What is with so many women going missing in rivers during December and January..

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[branmuffin]

So my two theories are that if they are in the river they didn't go willingly. Either misadventure or a malign interference. If they aren't in the river than I believe their absences are voluntary.

For two 32 year old women they sure keep in contact with their parents and siblings a lot. That's what we keeping hearing; they are in constant contact with their family weekly, sometimes even more so. Since Scotland is no longer in the EU I doubt they are getting free calls. Maybe it's me, but I find that a little excessive. They appear to work minimum wage jobs so if they are socking money away to buy a property calling home all the time sounds weird to me. Wouldn't it be simpler to send emails? I have a sister in the UK and we email each other. It would cost us a fortune to be calling a couple of times a week.

What do we know about their private lives? Do they have friends, boyfriends? Do they belong to some social club? Maybe transplanted Hungarians? How well do they converse in English? They've lived there for 10 years according to some news outlets and as little as 7 in others. Some people pick up languages easily and others don't. Is English difficult for a Hungarian to learn? I worked with a woman whose husband couldn't get the hang of the English language. He was a well educated man but consistently pronounce hard C's as Ch as in cheese and and pronounce every vowel and consonants. For Cambridge, he'd say Chambridga. He couldn't keep up with the language. Being a maid you don't really need to interact with the public.

Have they orchestrated their own disappearance for their own reasons?

 

[TonnnnUK]

For two 32 year old women they sure keep in contact with their parents and siblings a lot. That's what we keeping hearing; they are in constant contact with their family weekly, sometimes even more so. Since Scotland is no longer in the EU I doubt they are getting free calls. Maybe it's me, but I find that a little excessive. They appear to work minimum wage jobs so if they are socking money away to buy a property calling home all the time sounds weird to me. Wouldn't it be simpler to send emails? I have a sister in the UK and we email each other. It would cost us a fortune to be calling a couple of times a week.

They more likely use their internet connection and WhatsApp or Facebook messenger to makes calls to their family.

 

[detective.moon]

For two 32 year old women they sure keep in contact with their parents and siblings a lot. That's what we keeping hearing; they are in constant contact with their family weekly, sometimes even more so. Since Scotland is no longer in the EU I doubt they are getting free calls. Maybe it's me, but I find that a little excessive. They appear to work minimum wage jobs so if they are socking money away to buy a property calling home all the time sounds weird to me. Wouldn't it be simpler to send emails? I have a sister in the UK and we email each other. It would cost us a fortune to be calling a couple of times a week.

i imagine they probably used facetime or (video)call on whatsapp using their wifi at home! that way you don’t have to pay anything

i don’t think it’s so unusual for them to be in contact with family at least weekly, my friends and i in our 30s do the same with family in other european countries

 

[Doric Loon]

Does anyone know about the technicalities of being able to divulge information from a person's phone when that phone can't be located.

We know one of their phones was left at the property so the police can look at that, search histories etc.

Would that activity from the other phone be able to be tracked without having the physical device?

Google search histories etc. Can the police request such info from Google if they know the sister had an account?

Of course you can use Google without being logged in, so I assume they could only track that if they had the device the Google search was done on?

If there was criminality ie a murder, they could apply via court/judge to potentially get records from the likes of the ISP, Google/Apple, email provider etc related to the IP address/email address logged in, for internet searches, phone back ups, images in the cloud (if not encrypted), social media DM’s etc and obviously get call records and texts but it’s a bit harder with the likes of Whatapp and iMessage, to get a full picture. The likes of the partial data from say iMessage for example is only kept for 30 days back and only relates to who you have been in contact with rather than what.

Not sure what depth they would go getting data for in a missing person case with no proven criminality but the police do not have to worry too much about privacy during such investigations if that’s what you mean.

 

[lalalemon]

So my two theories are that if they are in the river they didn't go willingly. Either misadventure or a malign interference. If they aren't in the river than I believe their absences are voluntary.

For two 32 year old women they sure keep in contact with their parents and siblings a lot. That's what we keeping hearing; they are in constant contact with their family weekly, sometimes even more so. Since Scotland is no longer in the EU I doubt they are getting free calls. Maybe it's me, but I find that a little excessive. They appear to work minimum wage jobs so if they are socking money away to buy a property calling home all the time sounds weird to me. Wouldn't it be simpler to send emails? I have a sister in the UK and we email each other. It would cost us a fortune to be calling a couple of times a week.

What do we know about their private lives? Do they have friends, boyfriends? Do they belong to some social club? Maybe transplanted Hungarians? How well do they converse in English? They've lived there for 10 years according to some news outlets and as little as 7 in others. Some people pick up languages easily and others don't. Is English difficult for a Hungarian to learn? I worked with a woman whose husband couldn't get the hang of the English language. He was a well educated man but consistently pronounce hard C's as Ch as in cheese and and pronounce every vowel and consonants. For Cambridge, he'd say Chambridga. He couldn't keep up with the language. Being a maid you don't really need to interact with the public.

Have they orchestrated their own disappearance for their own reasons?

They learn English in school in Hungary from an early age, we had a foreign students when I was growing up, including a few Hungarians.
Weirdly we actually had Hungarian twins once, for a fleeting moment I thought Henrietta and Eliza were them, but the twins we had would be a fair bit older than them!

 

[davidt]

I think there may be a few extra kilos between pics too. The passport/work ID type photo shows a fuller face I think.

Yes that and it would be interesting to know how far apart the two photos were taken. I've been trying to think of a better way of phrasing it but in what is presumably the newer picture Henrietta looks sort of more "hard faced" for the want of a better expression. I thought that the first time I saw it. I did wonder if she'd been through a hard time. I didn't see that in the corresponding pictures of her sister.

Edit: or alternatively a medical condition.

 

[guiser]

So my two theories are that if they are in the river they didn't go willingly. Either misadventure or a malign interference. If they aren't in the river than I believe their absences are voluntary.

For two 32 year old women they sure keep in contact with their parents and siblings a lot. That's what we keeping hearing; they are in constant contact with their family weekly, sometimes even more so. Since Scotland is no longer in the EU I doubt they are getting free calls. Maybe it's me, but I find that a little excessive. They appear to work minimum wage jobs so if they are socking money away to buy a property calling home all the time sounds weird to me. Wouldn't it be simpler to send emails? I have a sister in the UK and we email each other. It would cost us a fortune to be calling a couple of times a week.

What do we know about their private lives? Do they have friends, boyfriends? Do they belong to some social club? Maybe transplanted Hungarians? How well do they converse in English? They've lived there for 10 years according to some news outlets and as little as 7 in others. Some people pick up languages easily and others don't. Is English difficult for a Hungarian to learn? I worked with a woman whose husband couldn't get the hang of the English language. He was a well educated man but consistently pronounce hard C's as Ch as in cheese and and pronounce every vowel and consonants. For Cambridge, he'd say Chambridga. He couldn't keep up with the language. Being a maid you don't really need to interact with the public.

Have they orchestrated their own disappearance for their own reasons?

I don't think many women of any age would think a weekly call to their mum and/or siblings was excessive.
Most Hungarians have some grasp of English and certainly those under 40 have learned it at school.
Having an accent doesn't mean you can't speak the language.

 

[UK Girl]

I don't see how today's report changes anything really.
They may have texted the landlady because they weren't going back but that doesn't prove they went into the water voluntarily.
They may have visited the bridge earlier in the day to look for a secluded area from which they could enter the water, or perhaps for a place from which they could disappear, or where they could meet person or persons unknown.

Two things I'm thinking about - we don't know if they were wearing their rucksacks on the way back or had they hidden them somewhere to be retrieved later either by themselves or someone else?
And why switch the phone off if they were about to enter the water?

Obviously there has been some planning and preparation, but for what?

When Nicola Bulley went in the water she was dead in under a minute from the shock of the coldness of the water. If they went in the water would they even had time to walk in it to try and go undercover in the water somehow.?

If they turned the water off would that stop the police being able to track the body in the water?

 

[Kemug]

If their plan was to disappear voluntarily by stowing away on a ship, how would that work out? And might it have? We are pretty sure they did have a plan of some sort.

 

[branmuffin]

Okay.....this has now answered many questions.....
The fact they message the landlady at the time they were last seen on the bridge make sense why she would be worried.
Evidently, they have scoped it out and made their plans, it would seem :-\

I don't know....it just seems a bit convenient. If they were entering a suicide pact why not just go to the site and get on with it? It's a little suspect that they went to the same place just 12 hours earlier during daylight hours as if they were on a reconnoitre for a future meet up. Check out the location just to get their bearings, get the lay of the land, etc. Or whether they got the time wrong, since the day before they disappeared they had backpacks with them.

I now wonder whether the text message sent at 2 am was actually sent by them. Anyone could have sent it. It's just becoming more suspect to me that there was no suicide pact, that everything we are hearing about their last couple of days is from the landlady.

 

[lamberta]

If their plan was to disappear voluntarily by stowing away on a ship, how would that work out? And might it have? We are pretty sure they did have a plan of some sort.

Hypothetically, if that is a possibility, the sisters' return to the same area 12 hours later might make sense if a ship was delayed arriving at or leaving from the port. I'm not sure if that level of detail is publicly available regarding the movement of ships.
The logistics of the sisters entering a ship would be very intricate and would involve the crew being in on it. Im guessing the security down by the ships would be very thorough but I haven't seen it for myself to be certain.

 

[lamberta]

I don't know....it just seems a bit convenient. If they were entering a suicide pact why not just go to the site and get on with it? It's a little suspect that they went to the same place just 12 hours earlier during daylight hours as if they were on a reconnoitre for a future meet up. Check out the location just to get their bearings, get the lay of the land, etc. Or whether they got the time wrong, since the day before they disappeared they had backpacks with them.

I now wonder whether the text message sent at 2 am was actually sent by them. Anyone could have sent it. It's just becoming more suspect to me that there was no suicide pact, that everything we are hearing about their last couple of days is from the landlady.

I guess if they did meet somewhere down there then the message could have been sent from a third party using the sister's phone. Police stated the message was sent from the area of Victoria Bridge so it was sent by the sisters or by someone they met there.

 

[UK Girl]

I guess if they did meet somewhere down there then the message could have been sent from a third party using the sister's phone. Police stated the message was sent from the area of Victoria Bridge so it was sent by the sisters or by someone they met there.

That third party potentially would need to know the code to unlock phone if locked though.

 

[Lucyblu37]

That third party potentially would need to know the code to unlock phone if locked though.

But the third party would need to know they were renting and who the landlord was (I suppose Im presuming they would have the landlord in as a name rather than landlord) and why, if they were texting the landlord so as not to arouse suspicion, would they not text the family ?

 

[branmuffin]

If they truly were saving up money to buy a property where is it? Is it in a bank? Or did they have it stuffed under their mattress? Maybe I'm reading too much into it but the savings issue is important. The family say they were saving up to buy a property but were unaware that they planned on moving out. If you die intestate in Scotland and you have no spouse or children, the money is divided between the parents first but it can be a long process. Show me the money.