UK Eliza & Henrietta Huszti, sisters both 32, CCTV captures them near a river at 2am, Aberdeen, 7 Jan 2025.

[lamberta]

This thread has highlighted very well how news media are utterly useless.

I've seen articles stating they've been here for 6, 7 and 10+ years now.

How can there be different answers to a pretty basic bit of info that can be 100% clarified.

Haha I hear you! I wonder if they have been in Aberdeen the whole time or moved around within the UK. That might be the only reason I can think for the differing time lines. Your comment made me laugh!

 

[ZeroAlpha]

This thread has highlighted very well how news media are utterly useless.

I've seen articles stating they've been here for 6, 7 and 10+ years now.

How can there be different answers to a pretty basic bit of info that can be 100% clarified.

I tend to ignore MSM especially newspapers in matters like this. Police statements should give all the info needed.

 

[davidt]

Haha I hear you! I wonder if they have been in Aberdeen the whole time or moved around within the UK. That might be the only reason I can think for the differing time lines. Your comment made me laugh!

I was wondering earlier how long they'd been in their current accommodation.

 

[Skigh]

This thread has highlighted very well how news media are utterly useless.

I've seen articles stating they've been here for 6, 7 and 10+ years now.

How can there be different answers to a pretty basic bit of info that can be 100% clarified.

Maybe they have been in Scotland for 10 years,Aberdeen for 7 and their flat for 6 years.

 

[Moonchild90]

Maybe they have been in Scotland for 10 years,Aberdeen for 7 and their flat for 6 years.

Sorry, that really made me laugh!

 

[Loyaloil]

I was wondering earlier how long they'd been in their current accommodation.

We will never know...

 

[Doric Loon]

Maybe they have been in Scotland for 10 years,Aberdeen for 7 and their flat for 6 years.

That might actually be accurate, as I have seen it stated they have lived in Scotland for 10 years and they had a house/flat elsewhere in the City previously.

 

[ski_day]

Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier but have we thought that maybe it wasn’t the sisters that sent the message to the landlord? If it was a letter, anyone could have written it. Maybe they had no intention of leaving? (Hence why they hadn’t mentioned to family and hence why their belongings were still there). Maybe someone else sent it to cover up their plan of potentially abducting them. I’m not saying I feel that has happened but a theory. Still doesn’t explain where they were going at 2am.
I fear that probably what has happened is that one has slipped on the icey path and fallen in, the other has tried to help and been pulled in too. That could explain the screams. we know how easily and quickly this can happen after the Nicola bulley case.

 

[TonnnnUK]

Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier but have we thought that maybe it wasn’t the sisters that sent the message to the landlord? If it was a letter, anyone could have written it. Maybe they had no intention of leaving? (Hence why they hadn’t mentioned to family and hence why their belongings were still there). Maybe someone else sent it to cover up their plan of potentially abducting them. I’m not saying I feel that has happened but a theory. Still doesn’t explain where they were going at 2am.
I fear that probably what has happened is that one has slipped on the icey path and fallen in, the other has tried to help and been pulled in too. That could explain the screams. we know how easily and quickly this can happen after the Nicola bulley case.

Have the police mentioned anything about screams? If it's from a rag tag news outlet I'd veer on the side of caution of it being real.

Also given the river is tidal, the water level isn't always right up next to the path. I think a local resident has stated that it would be lower tide at the time the sisters were in the path so likely they couldn't just trip and fall into the water.

But yes, if it was the case then they were simply on their way to somewhere, why would they have taken that risky, unlit, unsafe path?

 

[Doric Loon]

Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier but have we thought that maybe it wasn’t the sisters that sent the message to the landlord? If it was a letter, anyone could have written it. Maybe they had no intention of leaving? (Hence why they hadn’t mentioned to family and hence why their belongings were still there). Maybe someone else sent it to cover up their plan of potentially abducting them. I’m not saying I feel that has happened but a theory. Still doesn’t explain where they were going at 2am.
I fear that probably what has happened is that one has slipped on the icey path and fallen in, the other has tried to help and been pulled in too. That could explain the screams. we know how easily and quickly this can happen after the Nicola bulley case.

Unlike the banks that were close/like a drop into the water in the NB case, at low ish tide that it was around 2am, it would be hard to slip INTO the river, unless you were wanting to be in the River, there is a sloped bank, that at low tide extends for a good distance, a few meters in some places, and you don’t just fall in to deep water either. You’d have to walk out from the path, down the sloping bank, over rocks/other material then INTO the deceptively fast flowing river.

 

[Bigditch]

That's very kind, thank you. Trafficking is often poorly understood, I'm still learning.

It was a shocking turn in our family;
In March of 2020 my daughter and her husband were buying their first home, by June things were spiraling and there was a man actively trying to cleave her from her family and convince her they didn't care for her. It's a much longer story, but yes, it's possible for women in their 30's (or any age) to be duped, threatened, abused and forced into behavior that wouldn't otherwise be their normal. In our case the perpetrators were threatening my daughter with harming her children or myself (they threatened her with burning us alive, in 2023 her family's home burned down)


It's purely speculation but these ladies could IMO feel like they had to leave, either to escape, or to possibly comply with someone else's demands which would explain the short notice to vacate their lease, leaving all their possessions and the sudden middle of the night disappearance.

Totally agree. People are trafficked for all sorts of reasons. Thank you for sharing.

 

[ski_day]

Unlike the banks that were close/like a drop into the water in the NB case, at low ish tide that it was around 2am, it would be hard to slip INTO the river, unless you were wanting to be in the River, there is a sloped bank, that at low tide extends for a good distance, a few meters in some places, and you don’t just fall in to deep water either. You’d have to walk out from the path, down the sloping bank, over rocks/other material then INTO the deceptively fast flowing river.

Yes good point! Makes it even more confusing then…

 

[Macha]

Unless I am mistaken there has been no mention of their passports? Have the police found their passports in the apartment I wonder?

 

[ski_day]

I've just read all this thread in one sitting. I have questions, many questions.

-Were these 2 women the only 2 in their family to live in Scotland? (Or even outside of Hungary maybe?)

-Were they so inseparable that where one lived, the other had to follow? (Suggests an unhealthy co-dependence.)

-What made them come to Scotland 7 years ago, aged 25? (Love interest, loved the location, fresh start, careers? Note, they both held current jobs, but not careers that would pull you away from your home country.)

-How good was their command of the English language? Reading, writing, comprehension? (Could a lack of English skills perhaps keep them somewhat isolated and misinterpret things?)

-Do we know their dating/living history, both in Scotland and Hungary? Have they been in Aberdeen since they arrived in Scotland? Have they ever lived apart, either in Scotland or Hungary? (By 32, you would assume that they would highly likely have had romantic interests. If there's a lack of this, that may suggest they were isolated and co-dependent)

-Who reported them missing, when were they reported missing, and when were they last seen/heard from by people in their lives? We know the last footage of them (released to the public anyway) was around 2.12am on Tuesday the 7th of January. Did one or both fail to turn up to work and it snowballed from there? Did family have concerns when they couldn't contact them? (The mother last spoke to them on the Saturday prior) Did neighbours have concerns?

-Why were they out at that time? (Especially considering they didn't seem to be wild or into partying - not that that's a certainty. Maybe they were different to what their families thought.) Are there any clubs/bars/establishments that were open, or recently closed, they could have left? (And would fit in the timeline). One of their Facebook pages shows a pic of them together at what looks like a club, holding matching drinks. I haven't been able to determine what the drinks are (they seem to show a MK label on a clear glass bottle with a murky drink inside) but maybe they did like to party and drink? (although they appear to be walking just fine in the CCTV)

-It appears they were walking away from their home - but what were they walking to? If they had walked from their home then the map TonnnnUK posted, shows the sisters roughly 30 minutes away. (If I'm reading that right) How much further was their destination? Was their destination a quiet area, away from CCTV, to either jump into the river, or to meet someone away from prying eyes, for whatever reason. Illegal, immoral, embarrassing, whatever.

-Do we know they type of cleaning one of them did? (Sorry, I'm not sure which sister) Whilst someone (?family member) said they aren't usually out late like this, could they have been going to a cleaning job? Maybe she picked up an extra shift and her sister tagged along for safety? Was she planning on entering a commercial building from that pathway? (In some cleaning jobs, at least where I'm from, the company doesn't really care what time you do it, so long as it's after hours and doesn't interfere with their business.) Heading to a cleaning job at 2am doesn't sound normal, but if there was a club that stayed open until say 2am and re-opened at 8am (gambling establishment, large entertainment complex etc) then that would require cleaning in odd hours.

-How much would a taxi/uber cost to this area from their home? Wherever they were going, would paid transport have been a better choice? They seem like quiet, responsible people who wouldn't take risks. Each to their own, but walking (even together in a pair) this late at night in a secluded area like this sounds risky to me, and best avoided.

-Nothing about their clothing seems odd. They appear dressed for a cold night in long pants, jackets, boots I think? They appear to be walking with purpose (even that's in unison), with one carrying a bag. The bag has been mentioned up thread, I don't think there's anything odd about it. (Except of course if they were going to end their lives - why take a bag?) I carry all my bags cross body like that. It makes it hands free, and doesn't fall off your shoulder if you move around too much. Up thread it's also been mentioned they may have things in their right hands. I don't think so, I think it's just really grainy footage. If anything in that photo looks odd, I think it's their faces. It's not great quality footage, but it almost appears like their faces have been blurred, or they're wearing something white over them.

I'm sure I have many more questions, but they're not front of mind right now.

All my personal thoughts and opinions only.


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Really good point about the cleaning job aspect - some cleaners do have to clean in the early hours of the morning and we know there are some industrial units near there. That would make sense. Although the clothing they are wearing doesn’t really fit with ‘cleaning’ IMO.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I notice they aren't releasing the reason Eliza and Henrietta gave to their landlord for wanting to end their tenancy. IMO they would probably have provided at least a vague reason in their letter to or conversations with the landlord.

 

[Binx26]

There was quite significant police activity in Aberdeen in early December regarding county lines drugs gangs. A lot of this focussed on individuals who were cuckooed (where individuals prey on vulnerable individuals, primarily to use their flats for drug dealing). Often this targets people within the community who are drug users or have a learning disability/vulnerable in some way. However lone females are often ‘groomed’ too. Is it plausible that the ladies were targeted and their flat ended up being used for dealing? They wanted to get away so fled in the middle of the night? Could that have been what the landlord found in the flat that caused her to contact police right away and for them to respond so quickly??

Source to the December raids:

Aberdeen county lines gangs targeted with weapons and drugs seized in major police crackdown

Since June, six groups involved in county lines drugs and organised crime in Aberdeen have been targeted by police in a joint operation with the Met Police in London.

www.aberdeenlive.news

 

[ski_day]

Really good point about the cleaning job aspect - some cleaners do have to clean in the early hours of the morning and we know there are some industrial units near there. That would make sense. Although the clothing they are wearing doesn’t really fit with ‘cleaning’ IMO.

And additionally I’m sure the police would have checked out if one worked at one of the premises en route so think that theory is probably out

 

[Macha]

Most human trafficking victims in the UK are male. Also, the sisters are far over the age that sex traffickers are looking for.

Of the 16,938 potential victims referred to the NRM in 2022, 78% (13,290) were male and 21% (3,634) were female.

https://publications.parliament.uk/...it has been estimated,% (3,634) were female.[

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Agreed. To me something about a double suicide (although likely) doesn't sit quite right with me. Or at least not without something specific behind it. I can't really articulate it properly but I can't help but feel there's something else.

I totally agree with your point. Maybe it is denial on my part but I don't believe they intended suicide.

 

[TonnnnUK]

And additionally I’m sure the police would have checked out if one worked at one of the premises en route so think that theory is probably out

The sister that worked as a cleaner it's been said she worked at a hotel. That would most likely be a daytime role.

 

[lamberta]

There was quite significant police activity in Aberdeen in early December regarding county lines drugs gangs. A lot of this focussed on individuals who were cuckooed (where individuals prey on vulnerable individuals, primarily to use their flats for drug dealing). Often this targets people within the community who are drug users or have a learning disability/vulnerable in some way. However lone females are often ‘groomed’ too. Is it plausible that the ladies were targeted and their flat ended up being used for dealing? They wanted to get away so fled in the middle of the night? Could that have been what the landlord found in the flat that caused her to contact police right away and for them to respond so quickly??

Source to the December raids:

Aberdeen county lines gangs targeted with weapons and drugs seized in major police crackdown

Since June, six groups involved in county lines drugs and organised crime in Aberdeen have been targeted by police in a joint operation with the Met Police in London.

www.aberdeenlive.news

I'm not so sure. Police said there wasn't evidence of criminality found in their flat.