UK Eliza & Henrietta Huszti, sisters both 32, CCTV captures them near a river at 2am, Aberdeen, 7 Jan 2025.

[TMich6811]

can we talk fb comments here?

 

[Catdetective]

can we talk fb comments here?

I think it's ok to say something like 'interesting comment by ...persons initials' however not the actual comment.

 

[TMich6811]

I am trying to compare but does some of their route as posted on that website with the map match this bus path in areas?

 

[TMich6811]

I am trying to compare but does some of their route as posted on their website matches this bus path?

The bus route from where the cctv image is

 

[Bigditch]

I'm starting to wonder if the cctv footage from Charlotte Street is actually where the sisters live.

Could the landlord know something, or have seen something on the camera?

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Re the landlord & the living arrangements:

-Do we know for a fact it is a landlord and not lady? (Landlord just seems to be a term used, and not always to identify the person as male)
-What is the residential situation like around central Aberdeen?
-Could they have lived in a self contained, free standing house in central Aberdeen? A townhouse? A flat? An apartment?
-Do apartment complexes there generally have any form of security, or keyed access to the foyer or common grounds?
-Do we know if they had housemates? (No mention of any AFAIK)
-Is there a possibility they sub let a room out in their home? (Perhaps nobody knew of this person's existence)
-Does the landlord/lady live in the same location? (With them in a house, in the same complex etc)
-Do we know why the landlord/lady came to realise they were missing?
-Was there something at their home (even on CCTV) that suggested there was trouble there, and the landlord/lady was concerned?
-Perhaps they were served a notice of some sort, taped over the entrance to their home, which had been undisturbed since Tuesday?
-Maybe the landlord/lady had become somewhat of a friend and was more involved in their lives than would be usual.

It would be great to know if they were always on time with their rent, if they struggled to pay on time, constantly paid late, or were in arrears. Perhaps the landlord/lady had been hassling them for the rent (maybe with phone calls going unanswered) and went to visit, and somehow found them to be missing. The landlord/lady seemed to also know they hadn't been at work either. This could be because their bosses could have been used as referees, as emergency contacts etc so the landlord/lady had their numbers and called to see if they were at work. (if they had concerns about their wellbeing) It could be he/she knew where they worked and chased them up there. Perhaps the employers called the landlord/lady (emergency contact) when they didn't show for work and didn't answer their phones. (Which would prompt the landlord/lady to investigate, then make the report) It could also be that when there was no answer at their door, the landlord/lady let themselves into their home for a welfare check and found something untoward. (Or maybe found their phones which were used to contact their employers and discover they hadn't shown for work.)

On the topic of reporting them missing - I don't think it happened too soon from what I know. We do know that they were last seen (by CCTV) in the early hours of the Tuesday morning. AFAIK, we don't know the last time they were seen or heard from by a person(s). (We do know they spoke with their mother on the phone the Saturday prior) We don't know what happened the rest of Tuesday, the Wednesday or the Thursday, but nobody is coming forward to say they saw or heard from them. We don't know if they missed work, missed other engagements, didn't respond to texts or answer calls, didn't answer the door etc. Perhaps the landlord/lady or their bosses got the ball rolling prior to Friday when they were reported as missing. AFAIK, it's not like the landlord/lady knocked on their door on Friday, got no answer, so went to the police to report them missing.

All speculation and MOO.

 

[annpats]

The landlord does seem to be a bit more enmeshed with their lives than he should have been.

Perhaps it does come from a place of genuine concern and closeness with his tenants?

I'm perhaps also guessing that he was a landlord that lived in the same house as the 2 ladies, and knew their comings and goings and schedules.

I wonder if he was in bed when the girls left for their 2am walk? Perhaps he heard the front door shut and had wondered where they had both gone?

 

[Cardgame]

The landlord does seem to be a bit more enmeshed with their lives than he should have been.

Perhaps it does come from a place of genuine concern and closeness with his tenants?

I'm perhaps also guessing that he was a landlord that lived in the same house as the 2 ladies, and knew their comings and goings and schedules.

I wonder if he was in bed when the girls left for their 2am walk? Perhaps he heard the front door shut and had wondered where they had both gone?

To me the landlord makes sense if he and the girls lived in the same accommodations. They might be Lodgers in his house for example. His relationship to them is therefore landlord, that's how they met, but he could also have become a friend over time. I think if you reported that your two female Lodgers had left the house last night and not returned and then phoned their work to see if they were there, been told 'no they didn't turn up' and you reported this to the police then the police might take action swiftly. It is cold.

I also think the fact there are two of them together makes it strange/curious and raises more of an alarm. It's less likely to be someone just needing air, space, escape etc.

 

[Cardgame]

The landlord does seem to be a bit more enmeshed with their lives than he should have been.

Perhaps it does come from a place of genuine concern and closeness with his tenants?

I'm perhaps also guessing that he was a landlord that lived in the same house as the 2 ladies, and knew their comings and goings and schedules.

I wonder if he was in bed when the girls left for their 2am walk? Perhaps he heard the front door shut and had wondered where they had both gone?

Also, apologies for pedantry, but I'm not sure we know that they left the house at 2am do we? Isn't this just the last time they were seen?

The police report states "Eliza and Henrietta were last seen on CCTV in Market Street at Victoria Bridge around 2.12am".

It says they were reported missing from home.

Now we know the landlord reported them missing, that piece of the puzzle makes sense.

But it doesn't tell us where they had been earlier in the evening or what time they left home.

When I first read the time they were missing, I assumed they had been out for the night. I was expecting the CCTV to look a bit more 'girls out for a good night' .

But now we know the CCTV released and the last seen image are not the same, so we don't know that they were walking purposefully or soberly towards the bridge. We don't know the time gap between the released image and the turn onto the footpath.

I think the police want more footage, so they are simply releasing the best image they have so that people searching their own CCTV will be able to identify the correct people.

 

[Kemug]

Did somebody say way back that the landlord owned a hotel? I'm probably totally misremembering. But it occurred to me that maybe the sisters lived in the hotel where one of them was a cleaner. In which case the landlord was also the employer of one, and so would definitely be aware of her absence.

 

[Lucy6226]

To me the landlord makes sense if he and the girls lived in the same accommodations. They might be Lodgers in his house for example. His relationship to them is therefore landlord, that's how they met, but he could also have become a friend over time. I think if you reported that your two female Lodgers had left the house last night and not returned and then phoned their work to see if they were there, been told 'no they didn't turn up' and you reported this to the police then the police might take action swiftly. It is cold.

I also think the fact there are two of them together makes it strange/curious and raises more of an alarm. It's less likely to be someone just needing air, space, escape etc.

I think this is most likely the case imo. Lodgers in the same house and acted so quickly because both women were missing and/or uncontactable. All moo.

 

[Moonchild90]

Agreed with your points regarding the CCTV footage arriving quickly and your point on their landlord.

The landlord allegedly being the person who reported them missing to the authorities particularly intrigues me, not just because how did he know after such a relatively short time that they were indeed missing, but how he's got the authorities to investigate it so quickly.

I would have thought that the police would likely suggest that he waits a bit before properly being able to report them as missing, surely adults can be "off grid" for 24~ hours without being reported missing.

The only reason I could see the police instantly investigating is if the person reporting them as missing could provide evidence or proof they'd be in serious harm/danger, which then loops back to the over arching theme of how the landlord would know all this to begin with.

Again just my own thoughts on the matter, apologies for the ramble.

Where does it say the landlord reported them missing in less than 24 hours, please?

 

[Lucy6226]

Did somebody say way back that the landlord owned a hotel? I'm probably totally misremembering. But it occurred to me that maybe the sisters lived in the hotel where one of them was a cleaner. In which case the landlord was also the employer of one, and so would definitely be aware of her absence.

Oooh. I've not seen that but it's a good theory. One of them doesn't show for work, hotel room is checked after no answer, find both women missing. Moo

 

[ChatteringBirds]

We rent properties out just under an hour from the City and after Covid, there were so many properties available in Aberdeen and the rental values fell considerably.

Why were there many empty properties in Aberdeen after Covid? That did not happen where I live (different country, though, but a moderately large city that many people want to live in).

So in your opinion, would a 1-2 bedroom apartment in Aberdeen currently be affordable on their salaries or are working-class people struggling? (I know hotel cleaners can earn minimum wage or a really decent wage, depending on the hotel, though. JMO- at least in most cities.)

I agree - why not show us the most recent images for best identification?

I think LE chose a good image. It shows them from the front, shows their clothing, etc. It shows that they both had their hair tied-back. There probably aren't better images, IMO.

Do we know for a fact it is a landlord and not lady? (Landlord just seems to be a term used, and not always to identify the person as male)

I wondered that too. Landlord could be a man or a woman, IMO.

Maybe one of their jobs had the landlord's number as an emergency contact and called the landlord when Eliza or Henrietta didn't show up to work? Just a thought.

 

[TonnnnUK]

Did somebody say way back that the landlord owned a hotel? I'm probably totally misremembering. But it occurred to me that maybe the sisters lived in the hotel where one of them was a cleaner. In which case the landlord was also the employer of one, and so would definitely be aware of her absence.

It was mentioned in the Sun article that one of the sisters was a cleaner at a hotel. That's the only link to hotels I know of from this thread.

Think the landlord (could be male or female) reporting them missing as they, "didn't return home", I believe the wording was, indicates in my mind that they were lodgers in someone's home. Seems reasonable the actions taken to report them missing and obviously that person will have shed more light on them to the police about lifestyles, routines, financials etc.

 

[TonnnnUK]

Also, apologies for pedantry, but I'm not sure we know that they left the house at 2am do we? Isn't this just the last time they were seen?

The police report states "Eliza and Henrietta were last seen on CCTV in Market Street at Victoria Bridge around 2.12am".

.......

But it doesn't tell us where they had been earlier in the evening or what time they left home.

When I first read the time they were missing, I assumed they had been out for the night. I was expecting the CCTV to look a bit more 'girls out for a good night' .

But now we know the CCTV released and the last seen image are not the same, so we don't know that they were walking purposefully or soberly towards the bridge. We don't know the time gap between the released image and the turn onto the footpath.

Yeah we are essentially left to guess things with the lack of timings provided and CCTV imagery being released.

We have a still image from a mile away from where they were last seen. There's evidently at least two more CCTV sightings, one on market street and one as they turn onto the path by the river.

There is a newspaper article with their supposed route from home on it, but that doesn't include going where the CCTV image we have been shown was taken from. Not sure if that's just a speculated route by the journalist or they've had confirmation from police that it was indeed the route the ladies took that night.

Usually, in missing persons cases they tend to release more CCTV photos or video clips in appeals. Bit that's not been the case here even though they evidently have them.

They fairly quickly came to the conclusion they didn't leave the area of the dirt path though, so maybe they feel releasing other CCTV just won't provide any further information.

 

[Normal Norm]

Unless I’m looking at it incorrectly, because I could be as I try to make sense of the area. CNR would have been to their left since they didn’t go to the end of the block and they crossed over in front of that area? I’m asking because it’s listed as open in some capacity 24 hours - though this could also be wrong.

It also looks like that area is a bus hub or similar?

I have assumed they took the route shown in red on my map below (original source Google Earth). They may not have done, of course. I don't think their exact route has been made public. The CNR building is shown in blue. They may well have taken the route shown in green, passing through the bus station, which means it would have been to their left, as you say.

 

[WiseOwl]

Yeah we are essentially left to guess things with the lack of timings provided and CCTV imagery being released.

We have a still image from a mile away from where they were last seen. There's evidently at least two more CCTV sightings, one on market street and one as they turn onto the path by the river.

There is a newspaper article with their supposed route from home on it, but that doesn't include going where the CCTV image we have been shown was taken from. Not sure if that's just a speculated route by the journalist or they've had confirmation from police that it was indeed the route the ladies took that night.

Usually, in missing persons cases they tend to release more CCTV photos or video clips in appeals. Bit that's not been the case here even though they evidently have them.

They fairly quickly came to the conclusion they didn't leave the area of the dirt path though, so maybe they feel releasing other CCTV just won't provide any further information.

The first reports were stating that they were last seen on the CCTV in Market Street, there is no mention of any other CCTV footage of the path by the river:

From The Daily Record dated 9 January 2025:

The pair were last seen on CCTV in Market Street at Victoria Bridge around 2.12am on Tuesday, 7 January, 2025. They have crossed the bridge and turned right onto a footpath next to the River Dee heading in the direction of the Aberdeen Boat Club.

Agree that the police came to the conclusion very quickly that the sisters didn't leave the area of the river path, i wonder if this is because of information from the women's phones that has prompted this conclusion? There has been no mention of their phones at all but i can only presume they had them with them at the time, and the last area they were shown to be active was on the river path.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Did somebody say way back that the landlord owned a hotel? I'm probably totally misremembering. But it occurred to me that maybe the sisters lived in the hotel where one of them was a cleaner. In which case the landlord was also the employer of one, and so would definitely be aware of her absence.

I don't believe so. I think we were speculating about the type of accommodation the women lived in and somebody wondered whether there were any converted hotels in the area that were now housing. I think maybe there was talk of COVID and perhaps rent costs that made it hard for hotels to remain afloat. That's my rough recollection of it anyway.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

I wonder if they had their phones with them or if they left them at home and if they did have their phones, did they last ping there and not since which could be why the Police think they are in the water (in addition to them not being seeing on CCTV leaving the area). There are a number of points that someone could leave the path and cut through to the street. The rents in Aberdeen have fallen in recent years. We rent properties out just under an hour from the City and after Covid, there were so many properties available in Aberdeen and the rental values fell considerably. There are also a lot of people who live in HMO rentals in Aberdeen. A lot of landlords are opting to put their properties on the market with the ever changing regulations for letting (increased EPC banding requirement etc). Was their most recent call a few days before they disappeared and was it reported that it was with a family member on the Saturday, with their mother?

I think this was the post I was recalling, but there's no mention of hotels. Perhaps it was a response to one mentioning them?