Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[Slebby]

What does RSBMBFF mean??

 

[CloudedTruth]

Do you think the GJ from all that they heard, knew/had a clear idea of, who was responsible for the murder? Though even the evidence wasn’t good enough for trial - they know? If they are leaving it for the prosecutor- does that mean there was more evidence somewhere that could all the players in their correct parts?

That’s a whole lot of smoke … re Hunter and Slusher. Gotta read up on that. Hunter is a piece of work. A real piece of work.

This case keeps getting darker for me. Have read:heard rumors of nefarious goings on in that community,. but thought that following that thread would complicate the details. But maybe not,

I think it was the same juror who indicated that based upon the evidence he saw, he had a pretty good idea of who did it. He only spoke for himself, but I think it indicates that there was evidence that pointed in a certain direction.

There have always been dark rumors about the community. Some things lead to the thought of where there’s smoke, there's fire. The amount of cases involving “unpleasant” issues that had Hunter’s hand on them is concerning. Sign of the times? Coincidence, or something more sinister? It’s a dark, deep rabbit hole that I think does deserve some attention. The mystery pictures conversation is getting some traction recently.

 

[AddieBoo]

I think probably the only evidence that was lacking was specific to identifying exactly who did what. It was said by the juror who did speak out that they were hoping that the prosecution could / would make that clear at trial.

IMO Alex Hunter was never going to prosecute the Ramseys. It appears that there was no smoking gun (at least that we know of) and the case was circumstantial. He used that as his excuse to say there was not enough evidence to prosecute. And while there is certainly an argument to be made for that conclusion, many prosecutors are very hesitant to take a case to court that they don't think they can win and may be perceived as wasting taxpayer dollars, the disappointment of the prosecution team was palpable when Hunter made his pronouncement. The fact that he also misled the public to think that the jury had not voted to indict is yet another notch in his lack of integrity, ethics and morality as a DA, of which there are a history of many notches that attest to exactly that.

It's one thing to claim you're saving taxpayers money, and another to reduce charges and offer plea bargains to criminals that allows them short sentences and the ability to be back out in society and re-offend. Such was the case of Floyd David Slusher a known molester of boy scouts who finally was adequately held responsible and properly sentenced in the jurisdiction of another county. DA Hunter's decisions in that case are directly responsible for more boys being abused. Hunter should have been removed from office well before the Ramsey case ever came along.

I just can’t get over these indictments.
The GJ chose every frickin serious criminal adjective in the criminal words book.. along side murder in the first degree. The charges are not ambiguous. The language is bold and in your face. They must have heard something that was particularly abhorrent. Even if it was circumstantial…WTH..?

 

[CloudedTruth]

But why? What the heck was going on? Who was the puppet master. It is a conspiracy. But why? Was it the sale of his business that Lockheed wanted to do? Lockheed has major political power - power period.

I wish I knew!

There were definitely some powerful and well connected people involved in this case. It feels like there’s something there that had to be protected. And it feels like it went beyond John Ramsey, I don’t think he was that important, it’s a bigger picture/ story that he’s just at the tip of. Just my opinion, of course.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

What does RSBMBFF mean??

Respectfully snipped by me and bolder for focus.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Thank you for sharing that @AddieBoo …… that last statement was surprising. Perhaps.

IIUC, it seems IIRC from public statements over the years, that JR has professed to wanting this crime / matter to be solved and resolved. Now I am confused. I would have thought one in such a position would want to shine light on this unfortunate incident. And to have those documents released.

By example, ABC / KABC News 7 online December 4, 2024 article by Emily Shapiro entitled: ‘JonBenet Ramsey's dad hopes for answers as new documentary puts pressure to solve 1996 murder’:

JonBenet Ramsey's dad hopes for answers as new documentary puts pressure to solve 1996 murder

The Boulder Police Department released in a statement about the JonBenet Ramsey case last week.

abc7.com

IMO another documentary isn’t going to address the matter or solve the crime.

What would help to solve the crime IMO, is to have all of the grand jury testimony evidence and ‘True Bills’, etc. released publicly. So this information can be examined. And the crime(s) solved. Maybe those documents and that evidence could appear in the next ‘documentary’.

Sure wish some investigative journalists and a new Boulder DA or one desiring to run for that office would help move this matter along. MOO

I wish for release of the rest of those 18 pages too, at the very least. The Whites seem to be the only ones pursuing that.

They last filed a lawsuit in 2014 (I think) in Boulder County. There was only 1 judge who could hear the case, every other judge had at one time worked in some capacity in the DA department and so had to be ruled out. The judge concluded that release of the GJ decision had already been adjudicated, and let the decision to have only released the 4 pages stand.

In other Colorado cases the press has gone to court for full release of documents. No one seems to want to take this case on in that respect for some reason. There seems to be a lot of reluctance. Perhaps the renewed interest might help push some buttons.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

I wish for release of the rest of those 18 pages too, at the very least. The Whites seem to be the only ones pursuing that.

They last filed a lawsuit in 2014 (I think) in Boulder County. There was only 1 judge who could hear the case, every other judge had at one time worked in some capacity in the DA department and so had to be ruled out. The judge concluded that release of the GJ decision had already been adjudicated, and let the decision to have only released the 4 pages stand.

In other Colorado cases the press has gone to court for full release of documents. No one seems to want to take this case on in that respect for some reason. There seems to be a lot of reluctance. Perhaps the renewed interest might help push some buttons.

Imagine how those who were falsely accused and dragged into this nightmare feel. They were victims of a conspiracy to save someone's a$$.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Imagine how those who were falsely accused and dragged into this nightmare feel. They were victims of a conspiracy to save someone's a$$.

Yep. There’s a lot of collateral damage that was caused. Lots of lives very negatively impacted.

And the Ramseys have never had the good grace to even acknowledge that. Patsy said she prayed for “salvation for the murderer”, has she ever prayed for the people whose lives were dragged through hell because of accusations made against them? Never a mention…..

 

[CloudedTruth]

 

[Charlot123]

Respectfully snipped by me and bolder for focus.

I seriously thought it was an agglutination of two, Respectfully Snipped By Me,
Best Friend Forever.

 

[Charlot123]

In fact, think of this.
Patsy was constantly repeating, “it was Burke, we had to think of Burke.”

Everyone can read between the lines, right?

On the other hand, think of this: he was a 9-year-old with a social age of a 6-year-old. Who probably remembered 1/4 of the evening, if that. If he ended up being acccused, officially, it would be an accidental death. Maybe treatment for kid, that’s it.

Now if either of the adults did it, too much was at stake. They had a good life. Very.

So I suspect that most think BDI because the parents set it up this way. Anyhow, he was a child.

But what if an adult did it? And their kid is living with the cloud of a horrible story. Maybe remembering very little, but serving to protect them, their story? Always will. And he may be truly innocent.

 

[AddieBoo]

I think it was the same juror who indicated that based upon the evidence he saw, he had a pretty good idea of who did it. He only spoke for himself, but I think it indicates that there was evidence that pointed in a certain direction.

There have always been dark rumors about the community. Some things lead to the thought of where there’s smoke, there's fire. The amount of cases involving “unpleasant” issues that had Hunter’s hand on them is concerning. Sign of the times? Coincidence, or something more sinister? It’s a dark, deep rabbit hole that I think does deserve some attention. The mystery pictures conversation is getting some traction recently.

I wish I knew!

There were definitely some powerful and well connected people involved in this case. It feels like there’s something there that had to be protected. And it feels like it went beyond John Ramsey, I don’t think he was that important, it’s a bigger picture/ story that he’s just at the tip of. Just my opinion, of course.

Agree. JR is a cog in the wheel…

I wish for release of the rest of those 18 pages too, at the very least. The Whites seem to be the only ones pursuing that.

They last filed a lawsuit in 2014 (I think) in Boulder County. There was only 1 judge who could hear the case, every other judge had at one time worked in some capacity in the DA department and so had to be ruled out. The judge concluded that release of the GJ decision had already been adjudicated, and let the decision to have only released the 4 pages stand.

In other Colorado cases the press has gone to court for full release of documents. No one seems to want to take this case on in that respect for some reason. There seems to be a lot of reluctance. Perhaps the renewed interest might help push some buttons.read that initially JR had fought the release of those pages. But it wasn’t clear if anything to do with the release of those pages could be litigated by a defendant, or maybe that was all decided with the previous ruling you mentioned.Colorado did pass that statute that FW writes about in his second letter - but haven’t dove into that yet

I think it could be as simple as this.
If BR was responsible and parents were attempting to cover it up, their attorney's meet with the DA and say "look, this isn't a prosecutable case, parents have suffered enough, let it go".
Now, there's a lot of undoing that needs to be undone because of the staging. The public won't ever be told the truth to protect BRs privacy per Co. law and there is where many conspiracies are born. I think the only cover up was done by the parents and this created a quagmire for the DA to undue and protect a minor.
This is just my theory..it has zero factual basis. I just think a simple explanation is most likely once the stage had been set. How could they undue it?

Please poke holes were you can.
Theories are just that!

That makes sense. I try to keep it simple too but details just keep knotting me up.
Just hard to believe that BR did it all. Not because he wasn’t physically mentally able - but because it’s so horrid.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Agree. JR is a cog in the wheel…



That makes sense. I try to keep it simple too but details just keep knotting me up.
Just hard to believe that BR did it all. Not because he wasn’t physically mentally able - but because it’s so horrid.

I also think JR is a cog in the wheel.

I can understand the Ramseys wanting to cover for BR, but how far it went IMO doesn’t support that it was him.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Yep. There’s a lot of collateral damage that was caused. Lots of lives very negatively impacted.

And the Ramseys have never had the good grace to even acknowledge that. Patsy said she prayed for “salvation for the murderer”, has she ever prayed for the people whose lives were dragged through hell because of accusations made against them? Never a mention….. up

Yep. There’s a lot of collateral damage that was caused. Lots of lives very negatively impacted.

And the Ramseys have never had the good grace to even acknowledge that. Patsy said she prayed for “salvation for the murderer”, has she ever prayed for the people whose lives were dragged through hell because of accusations made against them? Never a mention…..

Even up until recently, he is still casting aspertions on FW and then saying without missing a beat essentially " we were friends, I don't know what happened" Is he that arrogant that he thinks people don't notice his gaslighting? Sometimes, I swear I see a snake tongue flicker when he speaks. A weird thing happens once you recognize a gaslighter, you see their plays before they even walk onto the field.

 

[Charlot123]

Agree. JR is a cog in the wheel…



That makes sense. I try to keep it simple too but details just keep knotting me up.
Just hard to believe that BR did it all. Not because he wasn’t physically mentally able - but because it’s so horrid.

Of course he didn’t. Impulsively hit someone? Yes. Easily.
Write a letter? No. The garrotte? Hardly. Hide so that the police doesn’t see her? No.
The planning that went into it wasn’t his.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

I wish for release of the rest of those 18 pages too, at the very least. The Whites seem to be the only ones pursuing that.

They last filed a lawsuit in 2014 (I think) in Boulder County. There was only 1 judge who could hear the case, every other judge had at one time worked in some capacity in the DA department and so had to be ruled out. The judge concluded that release of the GJ decision had already been adjudicated, and let the decision to have only released the 4 pages stand.

In other Colorado cases the press has gone to court for full release of documents. No one seems to want to take this case on in that respect for some reason. There seems to be a lot of reluctance. Perhaps the renewed interest might help push some buttons.

Does anyone else think that while the DA chose not to press charges, who was responsible for enforcing child protection? Alex Hunter didn't feel the need to share the concern that there was suspected child abuse occurring in the home. Just adios, good bye, good luck Burke?
And the begs the question, who most likely was the abuser?


knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of murder in the first degree and child abuse resulting in death," Count VII states.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Does anyone else think that while the DA chose not to press charges, who was responsible for enforcing child protection? Alex Hunter didn't feel the need to share the concern that there was suspected child abuse occurring in the home. Just adios, good bye, good luck Burke?
And the begs the question, who most likely was the abuser?


knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of murder in the first degree and child abuse resulting in death," Count VII states.

Alex Hunter also didn’t feel the need to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law other cases where there was plenty of evidence of child abuse. His record needs to be held up to scrutiny and exposed for what it was. He reduced charges when there was no reason to, he plea bargained cases that could have been won and should have been prosecuted.

That he completely negated the findings of the Grand Jury, who did return true bills with serious charges that included child abuse and hid from the public those findings IMO was negligent of what the GJ recognized was happening in that home. I will repeat an earlier comment, he should have been removed from office, not only for prosecutorial misconduct but also for incompetence.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

I hope in 2025 that we will be able to put BDI to rest. I find it to be such a distraction and red herring that is in complete opposition to solving the case. I think it was born out of those that wanted RDI to be true but had no believable explanation for the head wound. It just isn’t believable that if Burke was a hothead that couldn’t control himself to the point of violently murdering his sister that he could then hide his actions and show no signs of it in police interviews. And was BR a strange kid? Heck he probably was given how strange his parents were. But a 9 year old being responsible for that head injury defies logic. I’m really surprised this theory has endured with so little evidence to support it (or really no evidence at all). Just my $0.02.

How many children with serious behavioral issues have you spent time with? How many families do you know in which the parents are concerned their child may harm their sibling? I think it is hard to Imagine that families struggle with these issues but they do and happen far more than you think .
Do they usually end up with a sibling dead? No, because the parents accept that there is a problem and are hypervigulent.I am not sure who killed JB but I am familiar with dysregulated children and they are not always how you may imagine them.

 

[jjleroche]

But why? What the heck was going on? Who was the puppet master. It is a conspiracy. But why? Was it the sale of his business that Lockheed wanted to do? Lockheed has major political power - power period.

Could it be the possibility that, with DNA matching constantly improving, decision-makers were concerned that, should a specific "guilty" verdict be handed down, contradictory dna evidence could turn up, thereby resulting in them having egg on their faces - "cost to the tax-payer" etc.
I'm unsure whether or not it was known at the time of the DA's decision, that the dna on Jonbenet's underwear belonged to an unknown male, but it was proven that none of said dna belonged to any of the three Ramseys (ie John, Patsy and Burke).

If that were known at the time, then that would explain the decision.
Pure speculation on my part. JMO

 

[jjleroche]

DBM. Duplicated.